David Josephs

Thanks for proving you do not know the difference between a BARD answer and a Search API result. The Q&A's created by BARD for those WCD's are based on the metadata it found. I apologize for thinking the Q&A text was found in the metadata or in the document which we couldn't access. Doesn't change the fact the arrest reports conflict with the stories of their arrest Let me know how that API works for you. We've got a few others working on it too. And we'll keep BARD out of it.

Yes, that was what @Keyvan Shahrdar showed me...

When you put into a spreadsheet you have a "title" column with descriptive text. Might be taken when they OCR the title page which usually has that info Thank you for helping out. I'd like to corroborate that the search API into this database returns that result... or if somehow BARD is involved... yet isn't BARD doing its thing AFTER it find the metadata, it doesn't just create metadata does it?

@Matt Allison @Steve Thomas @Tom Gram Amazing what you can find by looking https://developer.collibra.com/tutorials/getting-started-with-the-search-api

Do you know what it is or not? Technically

@Matt Allison Do you know what this is? FYI - { "total": 1, "results": [ { "objectFilename": "Warren Commission Document 2094", "description": "Transcript of an interview with Fletcher Prouty", "content": { "text": "Fletcher Prouty was interviewed by the Warren Commission on December 13, 1963. Prouty stated that he was a former Air Force colonel who had worked in the Office of Special Operations. Prouty stated that he had knowledge of the assassination plot against President Kennedy." }, "source": "Warren Commission", "dateCreated": "1963-12-13", "dateModified": "1963-12-13" } ] }

Thanks Tom... the more in this the better I think. I am leaving this to @Keyvan Shahrdar @Steve Thomas Is this the result of the API search? FYI - { "total": 1, "results": [ { "objectFilename": "Warren Commission Document 2094", "description": "Transcript of an interview with Fletcher Prouty", "content": { "text": "Fletcher Prouty was interviewed by the Warren Commission on December 13, 1963. Prouty stated that he was a former Air Force colonel who had worked in the Office of Special Operations. Prouty stated that he had knowledge of the assassination plot against President Kennedy." }, "source": "Warren Commission", "dateCreated": "1963-12-13", "dateModified": "1963-12-13" } ] }

Matt... While I have enjoyed reading your posts now for a while, your insistence on this definitive identification based on, what? Can you post the facial analyses they did - given we can now scan 2d, create 3d and do exact comparisons based on the mathematical relationships between facial features. If that was done, please forgive me and provide the link. If not, and this is based on pure visual, and "trust me that's me" confessions, you'll have to excuse my remaining a bit skeptical. Especially since I have been thru mountains of WISE/TRAMPS related documentation, have a brain, and see this as part of an overall cover-up, confusion effort that extends in virtually every direction that afternoon and thru the weekend. As to "AI chatbots" - we are using a direct API into the NARA database that comes back with metadata results which match the BARD results when looking into the same database. The metadata is there describing these WCDs which have never been seen and suggest a number of WCD's well in excess of the 1555 at MFF. AI does not make up metadata within a search, nor does it create a Q&A without if being asked. I stand corrected. Using the format of WCR Q&A it has Specter asking Q's which are not there. Doesn't change the fact the metadata is still there FYI - { "total": 1, "results": [ { "objectFilename": "Warren Commission Document 2094", "description": "Transcript of an interview with Fletcher Prouty", "content": { "text": "Fletcher Prouty was interviewed by the Warren Commission on December 13, 1963. Prouty stated that he was a former Air Force colonel who had worked in the Office of Special Operations. Prouty stated that he had knowledge of the assassination plot against President Kennedy." }, "source": "Warren Commission", "dateCreated": "1963-12-13", "dateModified": "1963-12-13" } ] } I'm sorry to disagree with your conclusions about these men and the events surrounding them. We are trying to research the situation, while I have yet to see a single realistic presentation of research or data to support all three men being who you say they are. Just you saying so. You could always just ignore this thread if you disagree and let us do our work You could always post something to convince me I'm wrong or you can continue to throw backhanded insults in the thread showing our efforts in an effort to accomplish what exactly - that you don't like people disagreeing with you and being able to prove it? == I got no beef with you... I am working with @Steve Thomas and @Leslie Sharp on connecting years of research between the three of us with the additional help of @Keyvan Shahrdar on the web/API side of the equation. So no Matt... not OK. James Files is fake news. Judy Baker is fake news. The duplicity found in so much of the JFK evidence are the keys to working back to those in control of the operation. If you haven't seen by now how things are connected within a huge spider's web of people and ideology, greed and hate... let's not add THAT problem here, OK?

This makes sense since the three in the WISE images are not the 3 with arrest reports... the 1st set were already in the boxcars, while the 2nd set moved along the RR tracks and were picked up later in the day. But why the parade? why Lansdale is allowed to walk to & past them? With the 2 sets of tramps (like all the dualities), the different DPD personnel can all be telling the truth while conflicting at the same time. https://theoswaldcode.com/index2.htm. This shows the arrest reports and the report of another DPD officer who talks about the later arrival of the three men brought to Decker by Wise. Sheriff Harold Elkins claims though, that he takes the three DP tramps to Fritz and the City Jail after WISE drops them off. I'd think that was to tie the two different sets together. And remember Bill Middle says he was not at work on the 22nd at all. FWIW

Not at all Leslie. The documents related to the tramps - and whether the 3 arrest reports were done on that weekend or after the fact, and whether the 3 men in the photos have anything to do with the three men on the arrest reports. Add now that BARD is claiming to find WCD #'s in the NARA release which are not viewable from the release but only from the meta-tags embedded. AND these reports completely contradict what the arrest report says. That there is yet another WCD # between the WCR's 1555 and BARD's 2312, #2094 which is the Q&A between Prouty and McCloy. @Keyvan Shahrdar confirmed that the API search of the database only offers 2094 and 2312 as WCD#'s past 1555 yet with the numbering convention used, we should see WCD #'s from 1556 thru 2311, to arrive at 2312. The API results include these WCD #'s so they are listed in the meta data of the database related to some record yet as I understand, the file themselves need not be visible or accessible for the API to find the meta data. Keyvan can correct me if wrong

All part of the same spider web... btw, I sent you an email with what I think is a very important question before we discuss on the forum about the Sept 16 entry and a pdf key

That's an oxymoron. @James DiEugenio

@Steve Thomas @Keyvan Shahrdar Because we are finding WCD #'s 2094 and 2312 which are up to 800 #'s more than the last WCD # 1555 when BARD is asked to look into specific people and when the database is accessed directly via API. 2312 shows an excerpt from a SPECTER-ABRAMS Q&A where Abrams states this whereas the Chambers arrest report and Chambers' FBI interview states they were asleep in a boxcar when police woke them up and took them in. My concern is not that BARD is broken, but that it is finding evidence of 100's of WCD #'s we've never seen. Abrams: Well, I was standing on Elm Street when the shots were fired. I saw two men running towards the train tracks after the shots were fired. 2094 is McCloy asking Prouty questions where Prouty says: Prouty: Sure. The Office of Special Operations was a secret unit within the Air Force that was responsible for carrying out covert operations. We were involved in a lot of different things, including assassinations. McCloy: Assassinations? Prouty: Yes. We were involved in the assassination of Patrice Lumumba in the Congo, for example. It would make sense to hide both of these as they would cause real problems - yet there are many, many items in the WCD which conflict with the WCR conclusions in broad daylight...

Steve - I think we're gonna need all your expertise in searching and digging here.. these results are quite strange I don't know... the API for the NARA database of the released files is the program which allows us to query the database. With the key @Keyvan Shahrdar got from NARA he, as a developer, is able to access the database directly by asking it questions thru BARD. Sure, here is the transcript of Warren Commission Document 2312: (no such WCD) Date: November 23, 1963 Location: Dallas, Texas Interviewer: Arlen Specter Interviewee: Gus Abrams Specter: Can you tell us what you saw? Abrams: Well, I was standing on Elm Street when the shots were fired. I saw two men running towards the train tracks after the shots were fired. There are no records of Specter interviewing Abrams... And the Chambers arrest reports and his testimony shows he was not there when they arrested them but was told they by the tramps themselves they were asleep in a boxcar when police woke them. He also showed a McCloy-Prouty interview - that also is not listed anywhere. WCD1555 is the last WCD. Does this mean there are 800 WCD not released at a minimum? DJ Date: December 13, 1963. WCD 2094. Location: Washington, D.C. Interviewer: John J. McCloy Interviewee: Fletcher Prouty McCloy: Mr. Prouty, thank you for coming down today. We appreciate your help. Prouty: It's my pleasure. McCloy: I understand that you were a former Air Force colonel who worked in the Office of Special Operations. Prouty: That's correct. McCloy: Can you tell us about your knowledge of the assassination plot against President Kennedy? Prouty: Well, I can't say that I had any specific knowledge of the plot. However, I did have some general knowledge of the activities of the Office of Special Operations. McCloy: Can you tell us more about that? Prouty: Sure. The Office of Special Operations was a secret unit within the Air Force that was responsible for carrying out covert operations. We were involved in a lot of different things, including assassinations. McCloy: Assassinations? Prouty: Yes. We were involved in the assassination of Patrice Lumumba in the Congo, for example. McCloy: I see. And you believe that the Office of Special Operations was involved in the assassination of President Kennedy? Prouty: I believe it's possible. I know that the Office of Special Operations had a lot of enemies, and I wouldn't put it past them to have been involved in the assassination. McCloy: Thank you for your time, Mr. Prouty. We appreciate your help. Prouty: You're welcome. This transcript shows that Fletcher Prouty, a former Air Force colonel who had worked in the Office of Special Operations, believed that the Office of Special Operations was involved in the assassination of President Kennedy. However, Prouty did not have any specific knowledge of the plot. The Warren Commission did not investigate Prouty's claims, and they ultimately concluded that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in assassinating President Kennedy. However, Prouty's claims have been the subject of much speculation and debate.

@Steve Thomas The API came back with that same wrong file # 104-10385-1004 as well as claiming another report is WCD2312 when we only have 1555 of them. I also looked at CE2312 which by coincidence (ha) is about Ruby having the # of DAVID PAUL. Fred PAUL is the name associated with Noble and the other 2. I asked him if he could see if there was a connection

I've gotten with Keyvan who is running an API directly into the archive database to try and see if there is anything more about these other names... Strange that GRH is on his card but not the man who took him. And what's with the crossing out of "Deceased 11-24 to". Finally, I am amazed that Matt A can forget all the subterfuge and declare the tramps in the photos are those listed on the arrest reports which Chambers cannot remember. btw - who was the photographer of the DP tramps anyway.. waiting in DP with all that's going on to be able to take these photos... as well as the one with Lansdale. Edit: I see my files say ALLEN and BEERS took the photos Thanks

Then please explain WISE's 1992 interview report about his wandering back and forth between DPD and Sheriff with these three men both released and not released that day. You truly do not have any substantial way to authentic your conclusions. From my time here I understood the man at the top to be Harrelson. The middle is not a match for Sturgis as so many may claim and the bottom is not Hunt... I definitely appreciate your POV - yet given the duality and subterfuge at virtually ever turn and within every item of evidence... how do you dismiss all that to conclude these are the same men who were both released, and not? Thanks Matt.

@Steve Thomas In that same WCD1444 there's this card. TRAN TO CO... County Office? Not Coroner's Office as he went to Parkland Is this the Hunt call that was not allowed to go thru? GRH = Garnet R Hill, Jail Guard. another 1st platoon name Oswald's name only appears on the 22nd call log and not with GRH but what looks like "Jake Bedding", I could find no names with the double "d" on the 3 platoon's rosters. And doesn't the rest of Oswald's card notations suggest he made or received other calls.. wondering if these are only outbound or both... didn't think he got any calls, did he? And as you say, PAUL does not appear again... you say he's the 4th man yet 3 tramps, 3 men with Paul... thoughts? .

This thread was referenced related to the tramps - thanks as always for your great posts with links. 16 years past. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1136#relPageId=154 Thinking aloud, it looks to me like "PAUL" is what the man signed and we have a jail guard "Fred Paul" from 1st platoon. I'd doubt they'd use first names so to me it makes some sense... and possibly with "all hands on deck" some officers stayed on past their shifts?? Maybe?

I seem to remember it was proven Hunt lied about where he was that day... In one of the panorama images of DP looking South across Elm (with someone who looks alot like Pablo Neruda seen on the grass as well as appearing in a number of photos in DP) Of course I could be completely wrong here... having looking at many images of Hunt I am more likely to believe this was him than the old Tramp. Yet as usual, it's all up for discussion and subjectivity

Thanks Joe... there are literally no letters from little Marge to her beloved son from ANY point in time in the WCR exhibits, only letters from him to her with first one mail stamped Sept 19, 1959 and the next, Aug 3, 1961. The overwhelming top three addressees: Robert Oswald, Mom, the American Embassy in Moscow... one would expect the Embassy letters to make their way to the CIA... and a defector - fake or real - would still be of interest... the CIA just lied about it being the point, yes?

If he did know beforehand, and agreed to sit in front of Kennedy, as a soldier wouldn't you rather have someone shoot the man behind you from the front and reduce the chance of being hit, as opposed to from the rear with you virtually directly in front of him? Nobody seems to say it, wouldn't he have been a bit p issed about almost dying whether he knew before OR after. Supreme loyalty to the cause (or fear) to tow the company line even after that.

The link is the source for my article on Warren Comm Doc 298 - the FBI's explanation of the assassination so accurate one not need go to Dealey Plaza to comprehend what occurred... (para-phrased) So yes, the Z-film. So when alteration is laid bare, like so many other deceptions, I'm pretty confident we'll see your 2, if not 3, sources of shots, as Dino told us so eloquently and Kellerman put bluntly "6-8 shots from 3 directions" "a flurry of shots"

And what is the definitive source of information on the timing of the shots when the WCR comes out? As opposed to this from January 1964 https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10699

If the bullet continues on a downward trajectory it cannot exit the throat and hits the back of the front seat if the bullet was deflected upward by hitting bone and exits the throat, it cannot hit Connally. on a 25 degree downward trajectory What people said or not, who was controlling the autopsy, or even what they did simply no longer matters. They dug their own graves the moment the reports were published. The Evidence proves the Conspiracy. "the WC and HSCA confirmed the SBT". (image reversed). Specter's pointer is resting on the man's shoulder when the proposed hole is 5+ inches below the collar. Our man Ryberg shows the bullet descending thru JFK.... the rest is self-evident Hope you and yours are well..