David Josephs

Thanks for the great summary backstory Gene... Brings all the key player groups into the same place for the same reasons.. Rowley, thru Martineau.. ..with Rowley's men facilitating Bethesda, after taking the body in Dallas, as well as keeping the FBI out of the loop on the earliest Bethesda charade ala Lipsey's wild ride. CE399 comes out of Rowley's office per Todd, Zfilm goes to his office per Max P.... and disappears.

Thanks Chuck... your thoughts make sense as one still sees how Dulles had his hands still in so much , even after he was fired. One gets the impression of controlled chaos... no doubt some things were "at the moment" decisions.. getting the film to Rowley and onto Hawkeye, then back to NPIC, by default now includes the SS chief, which falls under Sec of Treasury Dillion. Suffice to say, when Prouty talks heavy weights able to influence Protection, I'd think that must include the SS stand-down as well.

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2023/104-10419-10083.pdf I've seen this now a number of times... they refer to OSWALD as a Marine Sergeant By June 1962 his discharge was changed to dishonorable and he had gone from Pfc to Pvt and back down to Pfc before he left the marines. Did the press call him a sergeant to make it sound more important...? I'd have to search a bit though to find the other references... Thanks for the heads up David.

Chief of Naval Operations who sat on the JCS.. Although I would like to amend to add the Adm McDonald took over in Aug 1963.. Yet Rear Adm. Rufus L. Taylor Director Naval Intel (June 1963 – May 1966)... served over both their terms and appears for the docs I've seen to have been involved with the Oswald situation at least a year prior to the assassination. As Prouty mentions, and I agree, someone with amazing weight was needed to so drastically affect protection in DP, and to orchestrate the cover-up within military facilities (AF1, Andrews, Bethesda) I cannot say with certainty - so I apologize for giving that impression - and thanks for catching it... I still don't think it was possible to accomplish without significant advanced planning.. and consensus within the JCS to clear the way. Control of AF1 & 2 was in the hands of LeMay a 4-star, Burkley and Galloway were 2-star Rear Admirals at the time with Burkley getting his Vice-Admiralship in 1965. Major General Tom Clifton, another 2-star was pushing for the Wallter Reed autopsy.. Supposedly it was Navy surgeon Kenney who ordered Humes and Boswell.. yet he too was under Galloway. I'm trying to find if there were any 3-stars as Wehle was also 2-star. Before LeMay arrives Burkley and Galloway ran the show.. and Dennis David would have to ultimately report to him thru his superiors. David was Cheif of the Day called into Chief Ledbetter's office where SS agents were already there telling them JFK would be coming there for the autopsy... David tells us his navy corpsmen bring a metal shipping casket in from the back helicopter pad area... The significant aspect of that is the time... this occurs around 6:30 before and as the "decoy" hearse arrives out front. MD177: At about 6:30 P.M., Mr. David said he received a telephone call in which someone said, “Your visitor is on his way; you will need some people to offload.” He then got his own duty sailors together, borrowed some more from the dental school, and assembled them outside the morgue at the loading dock by about 6:40 P.M. Five or six minutes later, at about 6:45, he said a black hearse drove up at the morgue loading dock. He said the driver and the “person riding shotgun” (i.e., front seat passenger) were wearing OR (operating room) smocks. Four or five men in blue suits, whom he assumed were Federal agents, exited the back of the hearse, and supervised and observed while the Navy sailors (approximately 7 or 8 people) working for him offloaded the casket which was in the hearse. He said it was a simple, gray shipping casket such as he frequently saw used later during the Vietnam war. His group of sailors took the casket into the anteroom directly adjacent to the morgue. He then dismissed them and went back upstairs to an administrative office on the second floor of the tower building, “out front” toward the lobby. When asked to identify names of the sailors in the detail who unloaded the shipping casket, he said the one name he could remember was Donald Rebentisch, with whom he was stationed later in El Toro, and whom he believes was from Detroit. About 30 minutes later, he said, he saw a motor cavalcade, including a gray Navy ambulance, drive up outside of the front of the Bethesda Tower. He went out on the curved, open second story balcony above the Bethesda Tower lobby and observed Jacqueline Kennedy, Robert McNamara, and several others immediately enter the Bethesda lobby from the motorcade, and go directly up to the 17th floor suite on the elevator (without stopping or pausing for anything). Mr. David said he knew what their destination was by watching the number indicators on the elevator. He was firm in his recollection that the motorcade out front with the gray ambulance arrived well after the gray shipping casket at the rear loading dock. I posted the below chart earlier and throw it in here again. McHugh - who was supposed to sit in the middle of the front seat was under LeMay as well. All this, within this thread is only in reference to my assertion that while RFK Jr. is correct about some of the involvement of the CIA - no doubt - without the full support and activities of key military personnel controlling key sources of the most important aspect of the case, the best evidence, those on the ground have a much more difficult time getting away with it while making Oswald the Patsy. It's how I've seen it almost from the beginning and is the main reason why the FBI/CIA and many other acronyms fell in line - they may have done much independently, but without assurances of the "cover" by the military, and the stripping of Protection - which didn't happen in Tampa or Chicago - I don't think it happens as it did.

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Kinda true for the entire enchilada... we just don't know, yet the clues and results are left behind. and when you say "White House" do you mean LBJ.. or Bundy or ?? It's a big house with a lot of rooms I do feel though Mike, that this was not some spur of the moment operation to create a false narrative... the difficulties and gaps in the AF1 communications are troubling while also leaving some clues as to a "plan" for Walter Reed. It is Lipsey of the Military who lets slip about the decoy hearse begging the question as to when that switch occurs when we all see the Casket being loaded onto AF1... from the records I have read, THAT casket may have already been empty with JFK's body returned on AF2, or in the belly of AF1... we don't know - but we do have enough clues and casket entries to to know he wasn't in the hearse at the front of Bethesda that night. Sorry if the reply's tone was a bit snarky... I was actually curious who you thought it might be with Burkley being a prime candidate and seemingly on both the Kennedy and military sides - as well as the only "Top Brass" at both Parkland and Bethesda. With, as we know, a guilty conscious wanting to get something off his mind later, but never doing so. If this was indeed the military operation and coup I see it as, and orders came from JCS Adm Anderson who was above all in the Navy, LeMay may have only been there to oversee, as he seemed to be the type to want to be sure it was done "right". As a representative of the JCS, I don't see Galloway about to challenge him.. In fact, as one reads the events, Galloway appears to not only be playing along, but directing some of the confusion. == As to this and its relation to the thread title, pinning all things evil on the deserving of such accusation CIA, does not need explanation. They hide the documents, they have the spies (I'd venture to say that most of the populace is not aware of the massive amount of intelligence and dark ops work done by the military alphabet soup) and the populace can easily digest "the CIA did it" and rally behind the man without bruising too many brain cells. Ask anyone under 40 who Ike was and they'll say, "Wasn't he Tina Turner's husband?".

Smell that fear in the air? I was only 18 months old back then... Oh, the idea of having a Kennedy as president in my lifetime. Cue the bulwarks

Gee, how appropriate is the above after hitting the "quote" button.

Sure thing Ron... I'm not going to bet my life on the validity of the man - just that he was compelling enough to those who might have to warrant further investigation. Marine - it is said and I paraphrase - was not really a post!tute, but would basically do whatever she was asked, willingly, in support of her country Reggab says he "knew her as Marina Nikolaeva" {sic} This report https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2022/104-10015-10159.pdf from the CIA says she was a Dental Technician in Minsk. The date of issue of her "duplicate" birth certificate is JULY 19, 1961... With no Father listed Just some background - nothing should be implied to impeach her good name. .

I read then reread your post. I respectfully decline to engage in such nonsense as in the past it has gotten me banned. By all means, present your arguments and answer your own questions - Maybe others here with a much greater level of tact and patience will take the time to reply. As to "MY" model, the Evica model is from a JFK scholar much more well-versed than I, which I have used to better understand and explain the JFKA. I am not looking to improve on that model to make it tautological and redundant as you suggest. https://kenrahn.com/JFK/The_critics/Evica/Perfect_cover.html And I'll ask again - moderators, I thought each member was required to provide a biography, or has that gone away now with the influx of new members? https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/facilitator someone who helps a person or organization do something more easily or find the answer to a problem, by discussing things and suggesting ways of doing things A facilitator plans, guides and manages a group event to meet its goals

One is a stamp generating the date/time, the other typewritten, so I'd guess the 1963 is incorrect/typo. HERE IS another report - the original from Berlin to CIA HQ - yet my version is verbatim with the below added and the one I have was sent to: FBI, Bundy & Mr. Alexis Johnson State Dept from 11/26/63 (fwiw there were 214 hits in a search for "REGGAB" on MFF) https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=109325#relPageId=1&search=reggab 7. REGGAB SAYS THAT HE HAS A PHOTOGRAPH AND LETTER FROM MARINA, DATED JUNE OR JULY 1961, WITH HIS PERSONAL BELONGINGS IN CASABLANCA. IN THE LETTER MARINA SAYS THAT SHE HAS HEARD FROM BOURLAKOVA THAT REGGAB WAS IN MOROCCO ON VACATION. SHE SAYS THAT SHE STILL LOVES REGGAB AND ASKS HIM TO BRING HER A GIFT ,•300, REGGAB SAYS THAT TO FIND THE LETTER AMONG HIS BELONGINGS IN DIFFERENT PLACES IN CASABLANCA WOULD PROBABLY REQUIRE OFFICIAL ASSISTANCE. 8, TO THE BEST OF REGGAB'S KNOWLEDGE AID JUDGEMENT, MARINA WAS GENUINELY OPPOSED TO THE REGIME AND WAS NOT A MEMBER OF KOMSOMOL, HE SAID THAT HE KNEW THAT MANY OTHER GIRLS. ESPECIALLY KOMSOMOL MEMBERS, HAD MISSIONS TO REPORT OH FOREIGN STUDENTS AND THAT SUCH GIRLS WOULD BE INSTRUCTED TO VOICE ANTI-REGIME SENTIMENTS TO INGRATIATE THEMSELVES, HOWEVER, HE.SAYS THAT HE NEVER NOTED ANY INDICATION OF THIS IN MARINA'S CASE. 9, REGGAB HAKES A FAVORABLE IMPRESSION AND IS AVAILABLE FOR FURTHER QUESTIONING. END OF MESSAGE WE INFO BASED ON XXXX BRLN 4936 (IN 68184) 64-01-06 REGGAB CONNECTION TO MARINA - 104-10020-10006.pdf

Chris - in this case can you define who you mean by "the government" ? Who would be responsible for oversight and regulation of that technology? edit: we don't even have rules for the entire internet/www let alone specific things on it

All in her testimony - the only thing about that night was she claims the garage light was on, and could not remember leaving it on. The sum total of evidence that he retrieved the rifle, put it in a bag, unassembled, retrieved it at some point and left in the morning. If the Paine's were CIA they sure didn't help much when they easily could have, with no cross examination, no one to say otherwise. Just sayin' Mrs. PAINE - I was arrested by the fact that the light was on. Mr. JENNER - The light where? Mrs. PAINE - In the garage. Mr. JENNER - The overhead light? Mrs. PAINE - Yes. Mr. JENNER - That headlight is approximately in the center of the ceiling of the garage, is it not? Mrs. PAINE - Yes, I believe it is. Agent HOWLETT - It may be slightly to the center. Mr. JENNER - It is roughly to the center and the socket instrument looks like a porcelain socket that extends out from the ceiling and hangs downwardly, as a matter of fact, perpendicular to the floor or the ceiling; is that not right? Mrs. PAINE - Yes. Mr. JENNER - That bulb that's in there now, Mrs. Paine, was that bulb in place on the night in question? Mrs. PAINE - Yes, I believe so. Mr. JENNER - And the ceiling fixture is unshaded, is it not? Mrs. PAINE - That's right. Mr. JENNER - So, that, the bulb itself is bright and glaring? Mrs. PAINE - That's right. Mr. JENNER - John Joe, would you take a look at that bulb and see what watt it is? Agent HOWLETT - It is a 100-watt bulb, I just looked at it. Mr. JENNER - And it is quite bright, is it not? Agent HOWLETT - Yes, sir; especially with the white reflection off of the white walls. Mr. JENNER - Oh, yes; this garage is painted white, is it not? Mrs. PAINE - Yes. Mr. JENNER - The garage door is a medium shade of grey, and when I say "garage door" I mean the overhead door, which is now in place, the inside facing, which I see from this doorway? Mrs. PAINE - Yes. Mr. JENNER - You noticed that the light was on? Mrs. PAINE - Yes. Mr. JENNER - Why was that something that drew your attention? Mrs. PAINE - I knew that I had not left it on. Mr. JENNER - Had you had any habit in that respect? Mrs. PAINE - It's my habit to turn the light off. Mr. JENNER - And frugality, if not appearance, had dictated you in that direction, had it? Mrs. PAINE - Yes, more appearance than frugality. Mr. JENNER - And had Marina come to be aware of your habit? In that direction, that is, of seeing that the light was off when you weren't using the garage? Mrs. PAINE - I would suppose so. Mr. JENNER - Is that your best present impression, Mrs. Paine? Mrs. PAINE - Yes. Mr. JENNER - I believe you testified that it was your opinion that at that time that it had not been Marina who had left the light on? Mrs. PAINE - That's right--it was definitely not Marina at that time. Mr. JENNER - But it was who--had left the light on? Mrs. PAINE - That Lee had left the light on. Mr. JENNER - From that, you concluded that he had what? Mrs. PAINE - Been in the garage == Mr. JENNER - Did he take a shower, to your recollection, in the mornings when he was here? Mrs. PAINE - I don't recall his having done so. Mr. JENNER - Do you have any recollection as to whether he took a shower in any event on the morning of November 22? Mrs. PAINE - I have no recollection of him at all on the morning of November 22d, except an empty coffee cup. Mr. JENNER - I take it that, and I should say in the presence of yourself and Mr. Howlett, that the bathroom is located on the north side of the house in between the wall of the northeast bedroom and the back wall of the combination kitchen and dining room area. Mrs. PAINE - Yes. Mr. JENNER - Am I correct? Mrs. PAINE - That's right. Mr. JENNER - And when a shower is taken and you are in your bedroom where you were as I recall on November 22 in the morning, it makes a noise and it's quite noticeable to you, is it? Mrs. PAINE - If I'm asleep, there are many things that are not noticeable to me. I do leave my room door open. Mr. JENNER - Well, apart from whether you were asleep, I just wanted to get that--whether you could hear it. Mrs. PAINE - I would certainly hear it. Mr. JENNER - And does it make enough racket or noise so that it might well awaken you if it's turned on? Mrs. PAINE - Yes; especially that close to morning. Mr. JENNER - And you were not awakened this morning by any shower? Mrs. PAINE - No. Mr. JENNER - Do you have a recollection as to whether you noticed, when you performed your own ablutions that morning as to whether the shower had been employed, that is, was the shower curtain moist or wet? Mrs. PAINE - I made no notice such as that. Mr. JENNER - Is it likely that had the shower been used you would have noticed it? Mrs. PAINE - No; I can't say as it is. Mr. JENNER - You had, I gather, no sense of his presence that morning and his leavetaking that morning at all until you arose and he was then gone? Mrs. PAINE - That's right. Mr. JENNER - You heard no moving about on his part prior to your awakening? Mrs. PAINE - No moving about on his part at all when I looked when I awoke.

Trying to be respectful to those who asked. The thread is about RFK Jr. The Rufus thread explores the theme of my posting in response to his use of "CIA" and I'd rather we discuss it there. I will not address my theories about this here anymore. I already copy pasted your post there... It's not up for discussion. thanks in advance for understanding.. talk to you there if you'd like

Paul... it's me... Kidding... yes, it's real. Marina winds up personally meeting both Webster and Oswald within months of each other. If you look at her "diplomas" and birth certificate info you'd be in for a surprise. Then there's this guy named MOHAMMAD we can talk about, if you like. .63-01-09 REGGAB MEMO DETAILING RELATIONSHIP WITH MARINA docid-32342127.pdf

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Roger as well - Post on the Rufus Taylor thread please. btw - I though members had to post bios? Can these posts be moved Sandy?

Thanks so much Bob.. There is also an ONI Enclosures A.pdf At Baylor in the JA files from copies he took at NARA in the 90's is a 27 page notebook with ONI docs as we.. Some of my docs may be housed in those "enclosures" like this one... been a while and I'm just now getting back to look at them again. Any help you can afford is always appreciated... takes a village.

Who would that be Mike? Who do you think gave LeMay orders other than JFK... McNamara or Gilpatrick? Again Mike - you contend that Greer or Kellerman could tell LeMay and Galloway and Burkley what to say and do? I'd need a bit more to support that contention before accepting it. You are making my argument for me. Yet I've offered the idea that MEXCIO was created to do just that... keep the FBI and Hoover doing as they were told... How many of the top FBI brass spent time in the military? Again, your making my argument. The CIA were players in the farce under the control of military intelligence. Name a few involved who did not spend time under the military at one time or another - up to 1963. How many were beholden to the CIA? Edit: we need to move this to another thread MIKE... meet me around the corner in the cafe, 2nd booth from the west wall

"His CIA handlers" As his handler, and CIA, and following orders... how is this consistent with assisting to establish his guilt by allowing that the BYPs as well as the assassination rifle were from her garage? Now George D is another story. We are entering a period of time unlike anything in history - used to be when there was no communication between any geographic areas but word of mouth, stories could be told and believed with no possibility of confirmation... now we can go confirm it with something like this which fools so many people - ugh, the seal just keeps being broken in so many areas with this stuff.. nothing will be believable... which I guess would be the point of those wanting to control such tech. (Side question for all you interested in Marina as in Chris' post of a real interview she mentioned talking only Russian with Lee, Marina near by also only spoke Russian... Marina talked about meeting and talking with Robert Webster at the trade show he attended in Russia - she even mistakenly testified to have met her husband at a trade show -... what language could they have spoken to with each other, this 17 year old pharmacist and this RAND employee?)

Always been a big fan of KELLY's work.. a very deep well of knowledge there. "according to both plausibility" - Unlike so many others, I prefer that people here be able to see the sources from which I say things... even and especially if they prove me wrong. CE2886... to be remembered, Crafard did not have a tooth in his head in Nov 1963 - literally. Could be why this man did not speak much. Could it have been someone else? Due to the potential of opening a can of worms, I 'll leave it at that. I can't say definitely it was Oswald and I see the same thing holding true for Crafard. From what I have learned about the situation over the past 15 years, there are more possibilities than are acknowledged. I'd urge the moderators to be wary of attacks which may now follow. thanks.

So well put Steve. Your posting of Taylor and the Oswald file from almost a year prior (and the coincidence of the Dec 28th "party") simply begs more attention... I hope you run with it a bit as I am focused on a few different things and can't give it as much time as I'd like right now. Couldn't leave it in more capable hands - thanks for the assist. Cheers DJ

Context Jim... you've taken what I wrote our of context completely. The point was in reply to a question. That the CIA is the chosen boogie man in all things abhorrent, and for good reason as well as to get those who don't listen to much to stand up and notice... I applaud RFK Jr. - never said otherwise. I simply made the point we do not have the plethora of documents from the purely military agencies and acronyms, or the I&NS, as we do from the CIA and for good reason. The CIA takes the brunt of all these attacks while "same as it ever was" activity is honed and sharpened within the Military Establishment. Nobody hauls out accusations towards the ONI in a public forum... why? we have little if any documentation to back us up... like calling out the NSA... How damaging really to the military were the Pentagon papers? They weren't called "The Langley Papers" now were they? It still takes courage to call out the CIA for JFK... we both know there were no CIA in that room at Bethesda. Whether the populace knows or not isn't relevant. " the CIA" will be allowed... Do it to the NSA or ONI or the like and you're a traitor no matter how right you may be. Didn't mean to rile you so. I was addressing a direct question. I'm very happy Douglass' book is getting the attention it needs. We can't rewrite history so the CIA is guilty of everything the Military/NSA has ever done just because it makes a better soundbite.

I do not want to start a tit-for-tat discussion or have this degrade at all so far from the thread's subject. I'll leave with only - Where is the CIA budget housed? Why was the JCS so incensed when JFK made them OVERTLY responsible for everything the CIA had been doing? Were there smaller enclaves of CIA assets/equipment separate and distinct from the military, probably... remove the Military from standing behind the CIA with a huge stick that everyone facing the CIA can see and we crumble compared to the likes of the German and Russian intelligence services. IMO as the information I've seen leads me to conclude. I am wrong quite often about so many things... as an insider to MI maybe you can shed more light on how or why they would give up anything to the CIA... in another thread you might wish to start..

I have, very closely. What were they all called Mike? Military advisors, no?