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Jane Roman Winston Scott William Shelley Richard Case Nagell (unwilling)

The Wiegman film is difficult to watch. Well, it wasn't a champagne picnic for me, either. One of the interesting phenomena, though, is how, after the limo and motorcycle groups have left the plaza, Cheryl McKinnon and the Hester couple duck and cover a second time when Wiegman and the other newsmen charge them with their cameras. How were Zapruder and Sitzman reacting during this assault? In the third video on Wiegman that I posted, there's some "evidence" of movement behind the pergola, "photographed" through the cutout windows. I haven't had time to review it again and judge the accuracy.

David - but that doesn't prove he's truthful, just that, at worst, his information and myth-making are better than those of Files, who's so transparently fraudulent as to be a spectre of the truth. "Mummy, Mummy, is that what the truth really looks like?" "Hush, darling - that's just the ghost of the truth. It can't hurt you."

That's why I posted the painful Wiegman film breakdowns. Zapruder and Sitzman appear not to be there, except in one frame where you can see their feet and legs all stretched out by blurred motion and video skew. It's worth one vertiginous sit-through, only 20 minutes out of your life. Wiegman's a metaphor for the whole Dealey experience. Talk about witness panic? He should have just taken a deep breath, aimed, and walked, not run. Some of the most important film, in infuriatingly obscured condition.

BANNED? WHY? WHY? WHY?

OK: WHY? WHY? WHY?

Is a frame-by-frame of the Wiegman film of any use in locating Zapruder, or in other research? As unintentional artwork, the Wiegman film seems to say it all about happenstance and witness in Dealey.

Having stood on such an obvious perch, and with several companions near to give advice (Marilyn Sitzman and the Hester couple), how did that man leave the Plaza with his camera, while people were having their cameras seized all over - including Mary Moorman's Polaroid, almost directly across the street? I mean, I'm sure some cameras weren't confiscated that day - but, y'know... "Um, gee, Abe - the police might like to see that!"

Now all we need for total mayhem is a graph of who got ignored most.

Speaking of poseurs whose early lives were molded by forces of the state...well. there were rich ones and there were poor ones. See Nancy Wertz's assessment of Michael Paine's career at Bell, which seems to have been engineered to rescue Paine from a dilettante youth by his in-laws, Ruth Hyde and Arthur Young. Relevant material starts on page 2 of the pdf ("Unanswered Paradoxes"): http://www.jfklancer.com/pdf/Paine.pdf I'm not sure the obituary description of Paine as a "retired aeronautical engineer" applies to a guy doing the sort of assembly work that Oswald did at Minsk.

We have provoked each other and wasted bandwidth in long-running exchanges across several threads, exchanges which have deviated from our stated purpose in this Debate. For all that, though, we have never approached the level of scurrility permitted the press during the first several US presidential elections. Let's be proud of that and hold ourselves well below that standard of incivility and purposelessness.

Paul, the place changes over time, if slowly. JFK Assassination Debate on Education Forum has beaten every other forum of its type in the past, and it will again. Whatever your dissatisfaction now (or mine), I can't think of a forum that it's not beating at the moment. I second Paul's support of David Josephs and Don Jeffries..

It's less the anonymity than the graphic representation I'm after. You'd have to have the option of explicitly posting your position and reasons, because the bar graph couldn't do it for you. You can see these tote boards on other forums.

Note to Mods: For this and other questions, could there be set up an anonymous poll form where one can vote by pushing a radio button, giving persons the option of then revealing their choice in a post, or not, while the voting trend is displayed graphically and numerically in the original post? Or should we all feel that that's too tacky?

I use Windows 7 at work, and my opinion is that it was made unnecessarily complicated in the name of "product progress." The version of Word (in Office) that goes with it is likewise. XP, and the Office programs that went with it, were fine products of utilitarian design. You could find the features you needed in your sleep - I often did, when waking up in the middle of the night. I did all the editing for my book on that set-up, and I cringe to think about doing another book on Windows 7 and the "improved" Word. Soon, I'm told, Microsoft will stop supporting Windows 7. I shudder at the inconveniences of any of their higher numbers. If you research online, the banks, the government and the military are still using XP. Despite all the threats of abandonment, Microsoft just uploaded a new XP security patch to my computer yesterday. My major worry is that new versions of Firefox and other browsers will stop supporting XP soon, and already I can't view certain HD videos on old, XP-compatible browser versions. I'm already looking into rumored software that will let me run XP inside Windows 7. If that setup will be compatible with browsers that access HD video, I'll be all in. PS - The Krusch link for 9/11 books still doesn't work, probably because Barry Krusch's website appears to be under reconstruction.

I'll try them at work. I'm still running Windows XP, which may be the problem. I'll switch browsers too.

If you re-read carefully, it is not only Merritt I'm suspicious of.

One wonders about the state of the neck wound in the "Stare of Death" photo. How does a trach incision over a small, neat bullet hole turn into a ragged, cutthroat's wound with evulsed edges? The wound looks painted in, or if real, deliberately obliterative of the bullet hole, to the point of overkill.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/03/nyregion/takeover-of-kenmore-hotel-informer-recalls-his-complicity.html So Robert Merritt will swear to anything, and has, in fact, for a majority of his years used this proclivity to obtain his livelihood and as his method of self-protection and self-advancement? Why did Robert Merritt come to New York City? Who put him in residence in the Kenmore Hotel? Is this a low-rent case of "Once in, never out"? Are there some higher-rent cases among our membership?

The corpse of Dick Nixon rises from the Yorba Linda loam, shrugging aside the massive, polished black granite block meant to hold him and Pat securely down: "Am I not sullied enough in the memory of this land?" Nixon cries at us through gory jowls. "I murdered, stole and slandered for the good of this country..and only incidentally for myself! But still you'll have Nixon to kick around..." Hearing Nixon's complaint at the other end of our continent, as if I were a modern Walt Whitman - I shut this video off and put on The Mummy with Tom Cruise.

Merritt himself mentions that Nixon found distasteful the "drag queen" co-identity of one of Merritt's informants. Homosexuality was something of a hot button issue for Nixon, as the Watergate tapes demonstrate. Why would Nixon not have had the bona fides of this "ridge runner" thoroughly checked out, in those unliberated times? Why would Nixon trust anyone vetted by the kind of spooks that he supposedly pulled Merritt from among? Was Merritt really a super-performer, or only appropriate in a Parallax View sort of way? Why would Nixon latch onto Merritt, in all his debilities, and not, for instance, some ordinary-Joe type from the rural heartland? The coincidence of Merritt's also being Carl Shoffler's lover and snitch is a bit hard to reconcile with his Nixon adoption legend. Nixon is alleged here to have been playing too close to several kinds of heat... Somebody was running a game on somebody, I think. Or somebody is. Finally, why did Nixon need Merritt to deliver tapes and documents to Henry Kissinger when Nixon could see Kissinger privately every goddamned day? Upstairs in the residence, away from the tape recorders: "Here, Henry - slip this in your sock like you're Sandy Berger. (Who? Never mind. The aliens told me.) Take it home, review it, and we'll talk later. By the way - your phone's tapped. Not just by me, by the Rockefellers. Whom you work for."

There's only one shooter in Moorman at the far left in red.... peering over the fence. Where do you place that, David? At the red dot in the bottom pic?

No one has ever found Gordon Arnold in any film or photo, except the White-Mack "Badgeman" enlargement/colorization. Yet Arnold is the source of all stories that there was uniformed police officer behind the GK fence. How one wishes the Arnold story could be proved or disproved, not the least by finding or not finding Arnold where he is said to have been.

Thank you.

Interested readers should google the 35-page (2015) PDF "Ghosts Of Spy Wars" by Tennent H. Bagley, or better yet, google his free-to-read 2007 book "Spy Wars - Moles, Mysteries, and Deadly Games" I have the article download. Can you steer us to the link for the free book?