David Andrews

Bill Shelley, who was his handler in front of the New Orleans Trade Mart, could have kept him from emerging from the shadows.

Oz had boss Bill Shelley beside him in the TSBD entrance alcove, for babysitting purposes. Plus the similar-looking, similarly dressed guy for deception. Plus the guy who claimed he brought curtain rods to work. Then the boss and the similarly-dressed guy took off down the street, figuring he'd be shot inside within minutes. Later the big boss and the motor cop made up the lunchroom story to alibi the DPD for not finding Oz and shooting him. The point may have been to have Oz in a definite place during the shooting, then to abandon him to the DPD, which failed to respond en force and take him out. Oz may have smelled the wind of all this afterward and left the TSBD. Nobody would have cared about a few witnesses on the steps, whose names would be lost to history for 30 years - and, de facto the MSM, still are lost. Witnesses can be discounted, or bribed, or threatened, or worse. Who would stick up for the Marxist defector too dumb to call in sick that day, or who was ordered to attend? Nobody surrounding Oz on the steps stayed by him to alibi him, or spoke up for him afterward. Not Bill Shelley, who was babysitting him earlier in front of the New Orleans Trade Mart. Maybe Bill Shelley bought him that Coke. Is that what Prayer Man's holding - later becoming a meme in the lunchroom fabrication?

Why were the pilot car and the lead motorcycles so far ahead of the limo on Elm Street, when they had already negotiated the turns onto Houston and Elm, and the pilot car driver could predict that the limo would be somewhat held up? (This is a rhetorical question, since bullets were involved, but the issue is seldom commented on.)

I'd believe the wrist/throat thing if Connally had been hit in the left wrist, but it seems to me that he's swatting with his hat, pointlessly and irrationally, at a very near miss that buzzed past him on his left, hitting Kennedy. What kind of Texan was Connally? A stump politician used to swatting at insects with that hat. It was muscle memory, as if he'd been surprised by a big, nasty bee. Get outta my car, you! He can't make that motion or hang onto his hat with a broken right wrist. Plus his attention would be focused in that direction. I think he's sensed that there was a previous shot into the limo interior, and the near-miss has proved it for him.

Delete, please.

George Plimpton, Paris Review, and the CIA: https://www.salon.com/2012/05/27/exclusive_the_paris_review_the_cold_war_and_the_cia/ also: https://medium.com/bomb-magazine/uncovering-the-cias-covert-funding-of-american-literary-journals-4a0ec9782567 https://www.theawl.com/2015/08/literary-magazines-for-socialists-funded-by-the-cia-ranked/ One thing you can say about those heady days of the 1950s through the 1970s is that, while the CIA was torturing and murdering the literati of South America and elsewhere, it was studiously exporting our literary product and supporting our writers and editors. And that's a better shake than Americans get nowadays. Hats off to our book-readin' CIA of old.

"I think we'll bring him around" [...]"After all, the guy's not a nut, he's a Harvard man." Reminds me of another story. Except that one ended like Carl Mays vs. Ray Chapman.

I believe CIA was floated to Bobby because it was felt that there would be accusations of nepotism had he accepted attorney-general with so little practical legal experience.

Barry Krusch is Mossad?

Is it possible to separate the degrees and duration of anti-Communism ("Cold Warrior") in Kennedy from those of anti-colonialism? The latter ideals are part of the Roosevelt strain in the Democratic Party, and would have been opposed by the same Western corporatists who would have opposed Roosevelt in these matters had he lived into the post-war world. (Except perhaps the imperative of stripping England of her Eastern colonies, to make them fair game for exploitation by the rest of the capitalist world, and make the US the only economic superpower for a time.) Of course, Kennedy was his own man and was influenced by experts such as Gullion and by persisting and changing conditions in the third world. The issues of anti-Communism and anti-colonialism would obviously intertwine in Kennedy's administration and in the worldviews of business and government. But even when they do, Kennedy's attitudes toward each should be considered.

That Simkin thread can't be the only Bowers thread in the back numbers.

Re: denial on the day of 9/11 - It's amazing how fast cynicism and denial leapt over the dead. Took at least a month for people outside of government in the Kennedy thing.

So much of Sahl's experience applicable to the behavior following 9/11. Following? On the same day.

I know. There's a lot of Lee Bowers material in the Forum back threads (when I was young). You missed the saga of Lee Bowers' thumb - was it stepped on, or was he tortured? We'll never know. Among the suspicious vehicles in the parking lot was, allegedly, the Honest Joe's Pawn Shop van with its enormous fake revolver on the roof. There was once a picture posted here where you could see the van roof behind the stockade fence near the pergola. Hey - what better to conceal rifle action than a gun truck? There's more than just this thread: Here's something I just found: http://alt.conspiracy.jfk.narkive.com/tJPjMOsg/honest-joe-s-pawn-shop-truck

See Florida schools and terrorist visas.

Title for Metta's book version: The Permindex View. Pass it on. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071970/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Bachelorette Number One (left).

I knew that going in, Jim - but it was like bad s*x that suddenly got better. I myself see Truly and Frazier as cooperators with the spiderweb plot, and not CIA.

No limo turn onto Elm eliminates the best frontal and elevated view of the slow, wide turn by Greer, plus whatever action occurred that was reviewed so frequently in the Tina Towner film that the original was damaged during views of the turn sequence.

If you're going to admit Bernard Barker, then we should include others in the Cuban exile and paramilitary communities who cooperated with CIA on an event-to-event basis, and throughout the cover-up. So: Gerry Patrick Hemming Roy Hargraves William Seymour Frank Sturgis Loran Hall Lawrence Howard Carlos Bringuier Rolando Masferrer (needs research) (More...)

Maybe Ruby sitting in the car is the reason the other car's horn had to be blown as a signal that Oswald was being brought out - though Ruby wes on the spot before the horn blew.

It's possible that that's just the tree branches moving back there. In my experience, there are few views of the back of the pergola on November 22 or the days following to check the reach of the foliage then. When Bill Hester jumps up and looks through the cutout windows, he seems to be investigating action in the adjacent parking lot or on the path behind the west side of the pergola, and not action where the movement is in Wiegman.

I am not sure when the photo I have in my collection is from. His view. It looks like 1990s cars in the parking lot, with a 1980s model or two. The tree behind the pergola, and the trees around the fence, would have been even less obscuring in 1963.

And what are our universities up to today? Say, perhaps, regarding the Middle East and its neighbors?

Yet Lee Bowers had a virtually unobstructed view of the pergola rear, Trygve (as a photo in your own collection demonstrates), and never mentioned any activity there, instead focusing on action behind the stockade fence, at a little further distance from his tower. And thanks for that great collection, which took up a couple hours of my Sunday.