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Young Lee Oswald moved around so much as a child through adolescence ( you don't keep a car easily at hand in that type of unstable situation ) and his barely making ends meet mother didn't sound as if she had a car much of the time. And even when she did, I could imagine LHO's mean, bossy and impatient mother being the worst person you'd want to have show you the ropes. Give it some gas...no, let it off, hit the brakes! Watch out! Turn left, turn right, HARDER, OH NO...you just ran over a curb Lee ...YOU IDIOT! Lee didn't have a father to give him beginners lessons. His much older brothers Robert and John Pic weren't around to do so either. Ruth Paine did however, testify that she gave Lee Oswald driving lessons several times using her car in 1963. I remember friends of mine who got cars at an early age and would let me drive a block or two myself at times. Amazing how easy and relaxed it was to have friends your own age show you how to do things like drive a car. Or brothers close to you doing the same thing. Oswald had nothing like that going for him. We also had mandatory "Drivers Education" classes in our high school. I doubt they had those in Lee's time. And there was never enough money in Lee's world to even think about buying a car...even an old junker. You really didn't need a car in the 1950's enlisted man Marines. Stationed overseas they had their own transportation to and from wherever they needed to go. And where would you park a car if you bought one? Right outside your barracks housing? The longer one waits to get a license and do drivers training the anxiety level is higher imo. When you are a teenager ( especially boys ) I think most have less fear of trying new things like driving a car. An extension of riding and racing bicycles maybe? Lee missed the boat in that regards. I believe he had more fear of driving than what has been speculated. And Lee didn't drive in Minsk at all did he? It's sad that Lee was saddled with that handicap which burdened him and his family to be so dependent on others to help them in that way. Taking city buses and Greyhound buses get's old, inconveniencing and even embarrassing, especially when you have a wife and infant children in tow. This handicap of Oswald's was a huge burdening problem for him and his young family. It put enormous strain on his marriage. Just think how much better his family life would have been if they were free to come and go anywhere they wanted and didn't have to be dependent on the White Russians and Ruth Paine like they were? And the car shopper customer of Dallas car salesman Al Bogard who took Bogard for a wild 80 MPH Daytona 500 race track test drive just two weeks before 11,22,1963 could not have been Oswald. If Bogard's story was true...that episode proves Oswald was being impersonated.

Thought provoking read GD. Lots of curiously interesting information I was never aware of. Is there an official entry into the DPD records stating a car was discovered running with it's keys in the ignition ( but no driver ) in the alley way behind the Texas Theater as the police were swarming that area? If so ...now THAT's suspicious. Curtis Craford ... what can one say about that odd character? Vagabond circus carny extraordinaire. Right there with Ruby for weeks before and right through the JFKA and then his ridiculously explained getting the hell out of Dodge run to the nearest freeway on-ramp with only $7.50 from the Carousel till, one bag and a light coat to begin his 1,250 mile hitchhiking journey to his sister's house in Michigan in the freezing cold upper Midwest late fall weather? Burt Griffin and everyone else on the Warren Commission had no choice but to consider Craford and his preposterous hitchhiking story with extreme suspicion. If you read Craford's Warren Commission account of his spur of the moment impulsive no notice run away from his job at the Carousel and Jack Ruby and his amazingly colorful hitchhiking tale with obviously made up characters who supposedly picked him up and befriended him along the way you can't help but laugh at the ballsy brazenness of it all. With no bathing or changing of clothes for 3 days and sweatingly walking miles at times in the day and night along country roads in the middle of nowhere between ride pick-ups...Craford must have looked and smelled like h*** when he finally arrived at his sister's house near the Canadian border and greeted her with his toothless grin. She must have thought...oh boy...look what the cat dragged in. My wandering, toothless brother. Road dust dirty, stinky ... and broke as usual. Come on in Curtis. I'll make you some coffee and a piece of pie while you get yourself a bath so we can talk without gaggin'. Craford may not have been a "Rosetta Stone" in the case...but he was surely more than just a dumb as a rock simpleton in it ... imo anyways.

I just went onto the political discussion board to post some of my own current political views. I know this is the right thing to do versus pulling the main topic away from the JFKA debate discussion one here on this esteemed forum. But MAN...it's sure hard to control the urge to vent about the incredibly volatile chaos political scene all around us now-a-days wherever we might think we could have an audience of more than one or two.

Fox News co-host of the "Five", "Dana Perino" came right out yesterday and publicly stated on this show what everyone knows is the hope for and support of RFK Jr.'s presidential run candidacy by the Republicans next year. Perino: "He ( RFK Jr. ) should run as a 3rd party candidate." Her fawning over RFK's Jr.s viability in this role revealed what the Republican's truly hope will happen. Thinking RFK Jr. could do to the Democrats next year what Ross Perot did to George H.W. Bush in the 1992 presidential election. Perot garnered 19.2 % of the votes in that election. Pulling away many more Republican voters than Democratic party ones. Perot's candidacy created a plurality only win for Bill Clinton. RFK Jr. must know that a 3rd party candidacy run by him next November will guarantee a Republican victory in 2024 with the same vote pulling mathematical model that framed the 1992 Presidential election voting results. Everyone knows this will be the results. RFK Jr. already looks like he could easily pull 10 million votes if he runs as a third party. And he is also clearly framing himself as an alternative to a two party candidate choice election. And RFK Jr.s stating he won't support the Democratic candidate next year if it isn't him is just as ominous as his possible third party candidacy run regards likely dooming the Democratic party to losing this election. What is RFK Jr. really trying to do with his candidacy that can only hurt the Democratic party next November? Trump praising RFK Jr. makes RFK Jr. proud? As Dallas/Oak Cliff used car salesman Ted Callaway shouted to a supposed Lee Harvey Oswald running from the J.D.Tippet shooting scene a block away from him around 1:PM on 11,22,1963, ... " Hey man, what the hell is going on?"

Today's right constantly calls those who criticize them and their leader " traitors, thugs, commies, whackos, unpatriotic police and military haters, criminals..." Demonizing them to their followers to the same point JFK haters felt. So if they die ( like JFK ) they may even celebrate. Hang Mike Pence. Kill Nancy Pelosi. Lock em up.

Please view the Chet Huntley video above. His commentary ( brief as it was ) is one of the most profoundly insightful ones I've ever heard regards the state of our society in 1963 and how the killing of JFK was a product of this climate of hate that was so starkly pervasive throughout our society at that time. I disagree with one point in his summation. The national hate he described was not equally shared by the political ideology "left" as it was the right in those days. And ominously, his "hate" warning commentary sounds exactly like the political state of our society today! And again, it is not the "left" that is guilty of the most aggressive hate rhetoric versus the right. "Hang Mike Pence!" " Kill Nancy Pelosi!" "Violently attack the Capital Building while our entire Congress is inside!" "If you don't fight like hell you won't have a country anymore!" Elected officials warning of retribution ( even violence ) if their guy is prosecuted? Death threats against Democrats and anyone criticizing Trump. Death threats against witnesses testifying against Trump. Even if they are Republicans.

Sounds like your government needs a wake up call to bring your national health care system back to where it was decades ago. Efficient, adequate, well funded. Letting your system get to the neglected point you describe is on them. I don't know anything about Canadian affairs but I must ask....is there a concerted effort by nefarious groups to undermine your national health care system? Obviously for reasons of financial gain? To which monetary influence over government officials could be suspected?

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B.W. Frazier was just 19 years old when he was thrust right into the middle of this earth shaking hurricane event. He himself was picked up just hours after the shooting of JFK and taken to police headquarters and treated aggressively as a possible co-conspiring suspect! Imagine the mind set of this young man during that shocking and even scary whirlwind ordeal day? After being aggressively picked up and brought to DPD headquarters, Will Fritz himself tried to get Buell F. to sign some type of confession document that Frazier instinctively sensed was not a good idea. He refused to sign it. A raging, red faced Fritz then pulled his arm and hand back as if to slap Frazier's face which brought out a surprising courage in Frazier to tell Fritz ... " I know there's some policemens outside that door, but before they comes in if you hit me we's gonna have one hell of a fight and I'm going to get some good licks on you!" Wow ... tell em Buell! Fritz backed off. Just hours earlier before Fritz's red faced rage and fist raised threat this 19 year old self-described country boy witnessed the president of the United States being shot and killed just a couple hundred feet from him! Just hours after that Frazier was visiting a sick relative ( his stepfather ) in a local hospital. And right in the hospital as Frazier was visiting his step-father he then gets roughly confronted, frisked and arrested by DPD detectives Rose and Stoval and driven first to his sister's home in Irvine and then to the Dallas Police department where he detained and interrogated into the late hours of the night. I could imagine young Buell Frazier thinking ..." Golly, what in tarnation is going on here?" He was held for hours and exhaustively questioned until late in the evening by hostile, worked up police ( he almost got his face slapped ) who tried to get him to confess to some sinister involvement in the JFKA! Was Frazier ever offered any legal assistance during that aggressive marathon interrogation? Frazier always came across to me as something more than a poor country raised boy, sleeping on a couch at his sister's house, driving an inexpensive used car whose battery would often fail, and who was simply trying to get his life going through a minimum wage job in the big city which he gave his all to. He exuded a simple unsophisticated honesty imo. Frasier also seemed to be a sincerely kind and generous young man and treated Oswald with a thoughtful respect in their time together. Didn't ask him too many questions or pressure him to speak at all. "When Oswald needed to ride with BWF to Ruth Paine's home on Fridays and back to work on Monday mornings, young, kind, innocent Buell didn't hesitate to accommodate him. Saying "you can ride with me anytime Lee." And never once did this young man ever ask Lee for even a nickel to help with gas as it was a 15 mile trip each way from the Paine home to the Texas School Book Depository building. I hope Frazier has made some income for his sharing of his place in history as innocent and happenstance as it was. If this young country boy hadn't been so kind, generous and easy going friendly with Lee Oswald...he wouldn't have been a part of the Oswald story. Surprised a major folk song writer never came out with one about Frazier and his serendipitous place in such a hugely important yet tragic part of our history. Some Bob Dylan type ditty. Sung to the tune of John Wesley Harding: Buell Wesley Frazier was a friend to all. He worked with a clipboard in his hand All through his work place he opened a-many a door And he was never known to let down a needing man 'Twas down in Dallas County, a time they talk about With his sister by his side he took a stand And soon the situation there was all but straightened out For he was always known to lend a helping hand All across the news wires his name, it did resound But no charge held against him could they prove And there was no man around, who could break or slap him down Not even Captain Fritz ... for this honest country boy could not be moved. 2:59NOW PLAYING Bob Dylan - John Wesley Harding (Official Audio)

Robert Kennedy was much easier to get as far as his core ideological beliefs and goals than RFK Jr. imo. We knew in spades that he considered Organized Crime in the United States a much more powerful, influential and dangerous threat to our society than the average American could even imagine. His book "The Enemy Within" detailing this threat was a wake up call he felt the American people needed to hear and heed. He took on Organized Crime like no top American leader had ever done. He went after Sam Giancana. He went after Carlos Marcello. He went after Jimmy Hoffa. And RFK took on J. Edgar Hoover who until RFK became AG really didn't go after OG ... for who knows what reasons. RFK was a pit bull in that fight arena. Fearless. JFK himself wasn't near as committed. JFK even enjoyed some perks from some mob people, at least in regards to Judith Campell Exner. I also think RFK was clearer about his stance on race relations and the disparity of wealth versus poverty that was just as real in the early 60's as it is today. RFK certainly also shared his brother's mistrust over the beyond mandate power accumulation of the intelligence agencies by 1962 that had reached constitutional balance of power threat levels. RFK also hated LBJ and knew what a ruthless and corrupt person he really was. Include in that LBJ and Hoover's "like brothers" nefarious bond. Speaking of our "free market" system, imo it is one that needs constant and serious vigilance in oversite that the corporate elite are constantly trying to undermine and weaken. Too often we fail in that responsibility. The term "free market" is one that is constantly manipulated to grossly perverted degrees whenever it is needed to justify the gains of the wealthiest minority class at the losing expense of the rest of society. In that context, this corporate wealthy class benefitting free market system has brought us to the following state of societal stresses: Basic need costs in this country have exploded to levels that are so insanely high they are financially stressing half our citizenry to unprecedented degrees. Full time jobs don't even pay the rent now. 50 years ago the government advised Americans that 1/3rd of their incomes should go for housing. Now, for over 50% of Americans, rent takes 100% of their one full time job take home pay! Here are the incomes needed to rent a 2 bedroom "apartment" in the highest rent areas of California: KRON San Francisco Follow This California county is most expensive in U.S. for renters, and it’s not SF Story by Amy Larson • Yesterday 5:10 PM IN THIS ARTICLE Hourly wage necessary to afford a two-bedroom apartment Santa Cruz – $63.33 San Francisco – $61.31 San Jose and Sunnyvale and Santa Clara – $56.56 Oakland and Fremont – $46.25 Napa – $45.92 Santa Rosa – $43.31 Vallejo – $37.75 Annual income necessary to afford a two-bedroom apartment Santa Cruz – $131,720 San Francisco – $127,520 San Jose and Sunnyvale and Santa Clara – $117,640 Oakland and Fremont – $96,200 Napa – $95,520 Santa Rosa – $90,080 Vallejo and Fairfield – $78,520 And throw in highest ever gas prices, food prices, health care, car care, you name it...it's out of control ( and it's been this way for over 20 years ) and the fact is this minority wealthy class benefitting "Free Market" price gouging is so crushing...millions ( tens of millions) of young Americans are holding off on marriage, having children, you name it. This is fact. We've never seen such a society changing dynamic like this in my 70 year long lifetime. Young people with 4 year college degrees can't make it on their own anymore. Throw in growing homeless populations. And yet, when the hyper-inflated nationwide mortgage pyramid scam collapsed during George Bush's second term...the corporate elite ran to Obama and demanded "too big to fail" bailouts to cover their losses. A massive corporate welfare bail out...and they got it! That unprecedented massive corporate welfare give away was "the opposite" of the "Free Market" economic model precepts the wealthy class always cry out we must have to keep our nation economically safe and vibrant. RFK Jr. is a good America caring person imo. Yet, I hope someone else becomes the Democratic party candidate. And I pray RFK Jr. doesn't turn to a third party candidacy. Doing so will guarantee the Republicans a victory in 2024.

I've read that this non-recording, non-transcribing MO of Fritz's was well known as his personal interrogation "style." Doing so opens the door to incredible abuses by a suspect's interrogators. Sounds so constitutional rights violating it's sickening. If there was one criminal suspect in the history of not just the Dallas police department but every police agency in the nation whose interrogation should have been totally recorded and transcribed, it would have been Lee Harvey Oswald. The most important criminal suspect ( by a long mile ) in American history. If the FBI were interrogating Oswald by themselves, you could be sure they would have had every word Oswald spoke on tape. When Oswald was speaking to his wife Marina and later his brother Robert in the jail speaking booth...wasn't every word recorded by a tape recorder then? If not, just another DPD action so illogically negligent and unprofessional that it screamed suspicion. I wonder what poor suspects got the backhand threat treatment by Fritz before Frazier. I'm sure this wasn't the first time Fritz lost his temper in interrogations.

When Fritz raised his arm and hand to strike Frazier, Frazier bravely warned Fritz...If you hit me "We's gonna have one hell of a fight!" Red faced Fritz backed down and stormed out of the room. Frazier showed he had the courage to fight if he needed too. Even if it was with a Captain! Frazier was only 19 years old!

20:24NOW PLAYING Buell Wesley Frazier demonstrates Lee Oswald's brown paper bag to Tom. Tom Meros 24K views8 years

Oh, thank you for the correction IL.

Just days before 11,22,1963 didn't Roy Truly himself bring in a high powered rifle or two to show off to his employee buddies? Hey Bill Shelley...check this baby out! Texas Rifle Club Depository Building.

Kind of says it all doesn't it? A 34 inch long package laid sideways on the back seat of Frazier's car would have covered over half the length of the seat...no?

Sounds like the whole corrupt mess is about to explode! Scary scenario indeed.

Was Kilduff ever asked to verify or deny his JFK Viet Nam conversation quotes stated above?

Seems that the only time you see Lee Oswald with his hair as long and relaxed as it is in the top picture here were those of him in Minsk. Sitting with his new buddies and wearing sunglasses to be cool. Standing with Marina outdoors on what looks like a bridge with big buildings behind them? Lee has a well made long coat on so it appears to have been taken in cooler weather fall? Even what pics of Oswald there were after he came back to Texas and New Orleans and right up until his arrest on 11,22,1963 his hair always seemed much more neatly cut and on the short side. Oswald was Marine training neat and tidy from what has been written about him. His hair cut, dress, clean shaven general appearance, even straight posture walking and bearing. Sharp white shirt and tie in his New Orleans leaflet passing job and his radio and television appearance there. Always wore his Marine Corp ring. Marina said Oswald shared household cleaning duties. It sounds as if he liked things neater than Marina. North Beckley rooming housekeeper Earlene Roberts never mentioned seeing Oswald's room looking anything but neat. He only bought and neatly placed in the shared home refrigerator peanut butter and milk. Oswald knew how to neatly and efficiently pack his duffle bag. A military learned trait. Judith Vary Baker commented how she found Oswald to be always sharp about his personal appearance. The less than Marine neat and short hair cut in the top photo throws me. Where was Oswald when that was taken? Only time I ever recall seeing Oswald disheveled was after his fist fight and struggle in the Texas Theater and for hours when he was thrust about in the Dallas Police Department hallways Friday night. He looked like crap. Raggedly stretched T-shirt. Hair mussed up. Swollen eye. He even complained that his handlers wouldn't allow him a shower! Sylvia Odio said Oswald looked like he hadn't shaved for a day or two when he came to her Dallas apartment in late September, 1963 with Angelo and Leopoldo. Makes sense if he and his companions had been driving for two straight days.

I acknowledge everything you state regards the mass brutality, death, torture and suffering inflicted by the North Vietnamese and VC against their own people MC. It was monstruous. I never defended the Chinese/NV communists in that war. But if we had never gone in there and escalated like LBJ did, perhaps the South Vietnamese would not have suffered near as much as they did when their regime fell to the North? I think JFK sensed the futility of trying to stop the inevitable. And so, South Vietnam fell. With devastating death and suffering. And yet 30 years later to now they are part of an American friendly economic partnership. The cost of that war was also devastating to our own country.

Great essay. 55,000 American deaths. 2 "million" Vietnamese deaths. A 40 to 1 ratio. 40 to 1 ! Millions more wounded. Chomsky and Zinn didn't want the public to see the full Gravel edition because it showed that "a president can make a difference ?" ??? LBJ's "not going to lose Vietnam on my watch" ego a main driving force for escalating the war and the bombing? No wonder McNamara became a weeping conflicted moral battle basket case. Loyalty to LBJ's ego or stopping the increasingly hard to justify carnage.

Notice I said " if they want to?" Right now it looks like they would love for RFK Jr. to split the Democratic party come election time. Hence, they may never go after RFK Jr.

The bottom pic looks beefier and more Marine like than the top one. The fellow on the bottom pic has his hair cut military short, especially on the sides. The bottom fellow's face seems fuller. His nose seems kind of stubbier? Looks like an active duty military pic on the bottom. The fellow in the top pic looks older than the lower pic person. Not sure but the top pic guy's eyes look brown. The bottom pic guy's eyes look lighter in color? Maybe green or blue?

The corporate/Republican machine hasn't even begun to turn on the MSM political attack heat on RFK Jr.. When they do ( if they really want to ) he's got enough baggage they will have a field day. His personal life going back all the way to his youth. Drug use. Heroin addiction. Troubled marriages with one wife committing suicide? His anti-vax stance will be a negative with the majority of Americans who got the Covid vaccines and feel it saved them from the horrors suffered by those who didn't. RFK has some odd associations with right wing types. That's very confusing. If Michael Bloomberg ( the real king of Wall Street ) even suspects RFK maybe a closeted progressive anti-Wall Street threat like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren he'd easily spend another BILLION to derail him like he did to Warren and Sanders. And there's much more. The only way RFK Jr. makes it into the general election would be by way of an independent/third party candidacy. And that would be the biggest gift to the Corporate/Republicans they could ever hope for. IMO anyways.

Steve Bannon was encouraging RFK Jr. to run? Steve Bannon? No brainer there. Bannon wants a third party candidate to run that will divide the Democratic vote. RFK Jr. wouldn't get one Republican vote...but he would draw away millions of Democratic party voters. Kind of a reverse Ross Perot kind of thing.