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Ron, if there was such a thing as a JFKA subject matter college degree wouldn't you expect that one of it's main qualifying requirements be passing a "lawyer's bar" type exam centered around proving one's knowledge of the 500 JFKA related research points on the list posted on the original thread? With perhaps an 85% to 90% or higher score? An 85% to 90% or higher score indicates to me that the person achieving that mark would probably have read almost all of the Warren Commission testimonies, read at least 20 research books or many good sized parts of them, sought out, watched and listened to archival debates between major research players and same with watching videos of highest financed and organized JFKA conferences through the decades through most of their entireties, found and read hundreds of related articles and pieces such as essays submitted by the most esteemed researchers and actually accessed research document compendiums such as Mary Ferrel's with a dash of Mae Brussels, etc., etc. Just being on this forum for 5 to 10 years and open-mindedly reading almost daily most of the research, findings and opinions shared here including all sides of the debate no matter how hot the back and fourths become has been a great part of my JFKA education. Half of my fairly decent general knowledge grasp on the JFKA subject has been acquired through almost daily delving into the forum sharings for years here. The other half I have acquired through my own initiative of further reading and study. If I put half the time, reading and study effort I have invested in the forum and other related venues all these years into a college degree pursuit program I am certain I would have a BA degree in hand. Now THAT would look good on my wall next to my only other certificate of academic achievement ... my high school diploma. Pacific Grove High School ( California ) class of 1969! With some AP study recognition in the area of ... girl watching.

One of the jurors in the first Jack Ruby trial ( J. Waymon Rose ) was interviewed many years later by the 6th floor museum historical foundation. This is viewable on You Tube. I'll find it and post a link. Impeccable integrity background. He stated he simply didn't believe the Melvin Belli defense claim that brain damage was the motivating factor behind Ruby killing Oswald. Juror Rose also expressed suspicious concern regards Ruby's hanging in the Dallas Newspaper offices while JFK and Jackie were passing so close by. The juror was suspicious about the fact that Ruby would remain at the paper all that time ( Ruby hung at the newspaper for hours that morning ) all the way until 12:30 AM ( or even go there when Ruby could have just called in his same ad copy he always used ) and not even walking just a couple of blocks to see the President and Jackie in person ( and whom Ruby had expressed so much love and sorrow for - regards Jackie anyway ) as even employees of the newspaper had done. This odd hanging around and avoidance of seeing the motorcade in person behavior by Ruby bothered the juror. One rational speculation obviously comes to mind. That Ruby's motive was to provide himself a safe alibi with witnesses regards his whereabouts during the motorcade and JFK's killing in it? Couple that illogical hanging out and parade avoidance behavior on Ruby's part that one momentous morning to afternoon with the Warren Commission then committing one of their most flagrant acts of testimony ignoring or subverting in dismissing reputable journalist Seth Kantor's recounting of not just seeing Jack Ruby in Parkland Hospital while JFK was there, but actually engaging in conversation with him! Thereby giving Ruby even more of a nonincriminating cover story regards his whereabouts and actions that day. Ruby claimed in his WC testimony he felt uncomfortable in crowds. Ha! Within hours of JFK's death Ruby immerses himself into the super crowded Dallas Police building press crowd. Where members of the press and department employees were bumping shoulders for hours. He then stays there until the late night news conference where he takes on a Hollywood intrigue movie acting performance of impersonating a reporter which included a shout-out to Dallas DA Henry Wade...correcting him on a comment Wade made about Oswald's "Fair Play For Cuba" New Orleans activity. And with Dallas Police dispatcher Billy Grammer's IDing of Jack Ruby ( who he knew well ) as the late Saturday night caller to his office warning "we are going to kill him " regards Oswald's next morning transfer, as well as the FBI and Sheriff's office receiving the same warning by the same caller minutes later, one would have to ignore rational common sense to dismiss all of this Jack Ruby testimony as meaningless or mistaken in the larger picture of Jack Ruby's possible nefarious involvement in the whole affair. Imo anyways. You can skip to the 23 minute mark to hear Rose's most relevant sharings. 47:03NOW PLAYING Living History with J. Waymon Rose 5.1K views10 years ago

Any JFKA study person who is knowledgeable about "all 500" of these listed aspects of the case to at least a general intelligent discussion degree and/or beyond qualifies as a decently educated JFKA one imo. Worthy of at least a junior college associate degree on the subject.

Same questions. Is Ruby telling Maddox he was framed with a false story that his motive was to "silence Oswald?" Or is Ruby telling Maddox his motive truly was to silence Oswald?

Finally, we are looking into the Ruby/Maddox note. The one that Maddox claimed contained a Ruby confession that his goal was to "silence" Oswald and that this was part of a conspiracy. I have always wondered why this story was so ignored since the time Maddox revealed it. I didn't know that handwriting experts examined the note and affirmed it was indeed written by Ruby. Who was "Lynn" that Ruby had written about in the note? I doubt it was Ruby club stripper "Little Lynn" ( Karen Carlin) but who knows? Carlin was so young when Ruby did Oswald. And she really hadn't been working at Ruby's Carousel but for a few weeks up to that time. Carlin was a very street wise young lady though. She had previously worked at "The Cellar" topless club for a notorious crook named Pat Kirkwood. The Cellar, in Fort Worth, was not a bar, from what I understand, but a hippie style coffee house with beatnik poetry and music. It was owned by a mob guy, reportedly friends with Ruby, who may have served booze under the table. Kirkwood mistreated Carlin and she had in some way tried to report his illegal activities to the Dallas police. Big mistake. Not the right people to report things like this too. Carlin was threatened so seriously by Kirkwood, she feared for her life and acquired and carried a gun in her purse. When called to the Ruby trial her purse was examined and she was actually arrested for carrying a concealed weapon. I do think Carlin knew some things about Ruby as well. Scary stuff that she clammed up about and she just wanted to disappear from it all. My guess is that Carlin knew of Ruby's association with big time mob guys in the time she worked for him. I read that Carlin may even have agreed to accompany Ruby to at least one "big shot" mob meet up as "eye candy" as she was so beautiful. However, she would never allow Ruby to get close to her in anyway intimately. She even testified under oath that Ruby asked her for sex once. And she immediately refused. Hope more info regards the Ruby/Maddox note comes out here.

My own predictions: Biden will not be the 2024 Democratic candidate. He is getting through this term remarkably well considering his age but anyone who has viewed his public appearances and speeches has seen how slow he is and with scary stops in his verbal and even walking pacing. Slow to the point that you sense a cognitive brain freeze or misstep falling at any moment. One's gut feeling is that he could not take the rigors of another major media campaign on top of his already demanding job and schedule. I am amazed at his ability to actually make some wonderful speeches up to now. Even inspiring. There are flashes of his old sparky self. But there is still another year and a half to go to Nov.2024. I also don't believe Robert Kennedy Jr. will be the candidate. In just one area alone he will be brought down before he gets any traction. You don't accuse one of our sacred cow agencies of killing their own president and get away with that kind of charge. I am sure many here remember the Democratic Primary debates of 2008. Moderator Tim Russert started off that debate with this question to Dennis Kucinich: Russert pressed Kucinich about whether Shirley MacLaine’s claims in an upcoming book were true, Kucinich ( caught off guard and embarrassed ) confessed the sin of having seen a UFO. The audience laughed. From that second on Kucinich was ruined as a viable candidate. How Russert got away with that reputation ruining crazy UFO person question to Kucinich to start off that debate sickened me. Kucinich should have blasted Russert for proposing such a silly, irresponsible question to him in a presidential debate like he did. If an audience member had submitted such a question to the moderators to ask, they would have tossed it in the trash. I mention that primary debate historical event to propose I believe the same would happen to Robert Kennedy Jr. regards his public statements of CIA involvement in his Uncle's death. And also RFK Jr's past comments about Sirhan Sirhan. The Dems will come up with a whole new slate. An outsider. Maybe California Governer Gavin Newsom. There's a lot of money behind Newsom. Read his Bio. The Getty family of San Francisco has sponsored him since early on. He is very articulate. A very good speaker. A younger fresh face. Attractive as well. He would beat DeSantis. Trump knows he'll never be the candidate. Too much criminal investigation and indictments. He is now known for this more than any other thing. He is a center of attention craving addict. He'd resort to NYC subway station nut case yelling if he thought it would get him more press. The nation is exhausted with his 6 years of angry, insulting ranting, posturing, gas lighting. America doesn't have another year and a half left in them to keep listening to "The Election was Rigged!" Trump. And what's the deal with Diane Feinstein? Anyone can see she can't do the job. Even in a rest home she would be in the highest incapacitated category of patients. Must be some very powerful people in her priority agenda world who are keeping her in there...imo anyways.

Now THIS is an intriguing photo. One of the clearest one's I have ever seen. Yes, who the heck took this picture.

Martin was pistol whipped by Banister so viciously Martin had to be hospitalized...correct? This was man whom Bannister occasionally hired to do some PI work if even small in nature? Still, explain how Bannister could beat Martin ( a man he knew more than an acquaintance ) so brutally he had to be hospitalized? What if Martin had died as a result of his beating by Bannister? Martin was a slightly built man, older and in bad general health. A beating to him would have more of a toll than if he was a younger, healthier man. That was a heavy duty assault and battery attack upon Martin by Bannister. Something truly serious must have occurred to bring out that level of blind rage wrath out of Bannister. Stolen Oswald files could have done it. Martin threatening Bannister as well. Banister died not much more than a year later? Naked? Like Ferry? Just another illogically strange and suspicious death. New Orleans at that time...a very weird, deviant and corrupt place in every way.

How long was Oswald's rifle stored in Ruth Paine's garage? From what date until 11,22,1963? Months wasn't it? If Oswald never came and took the rifle out except for the early morning of Friday, 11,22,1963 isn't that proof he couldn't have taken any target practice with it in all that time? And yet, he then makes a cold run 3 shot feat of two target hits out of three shots, with a bullseye hit on a 10 inch by 10 inch wide target at 265 feet that is moving in 3 different ways with a crap rifle and scope and under life and death risk fear stress ...??? And then shuffles down some stairs, stopping to buy and drink a Dr. Pepper soda pop in the 2nd floor lunch room, and after refreshing himself he walks down to the Houston Street entrance lobby, directs newsman Robert McNeil to a near bye phone booth, walks out and to a city bus stop, boards, gets off when the bus stalls in heavy traffic then hails a cab to take him to his home in Oak Cliff ( giving the cabbie a 5 cent tip on a 95 cent fare ) and well ... we all know the rest of the story. All amongst the "greatest security precautions in Dallas Police Department history" according to Chief Jesse Curry. Not exactly a John Le Carre novel scene.

Sylvia Odio was a beautiful woman and especially so at that time. I believe Ms. Odio regards this story. Marina Oswald ( a young blue eyed beauty herself ) was also subjected to men trying to make it with her during her incredibly vulnerable time in the months following 11,22,1963.

Garrison quotes Bannister part time sleuth Jack Martin telling Garrison Bannister's office was a circus of strange characters. Cubans running in and out. Ferry too. Garrison asks Martin..."what about Oswald?" Martin reluctantly nods in the affirmative. At least that is the scene depicted in Oliver Stone's film "JFK." I assume Garrison stated this conversation with Martin in his book "On The Trail Of The Assassins."

Getting into the JFKA truth mission research world late in life, I admit I have not read the huge majority of great books that have been written since 1964. That is one reason I not only access the many links such as the one above which are video tapes of conferences like this 2002 COPA one led by John Judge, I also watch them all the way through. And this one ( Part 1 ) is 8 hours long! There are scores and scores of video taped conferences available online here and elsewhere. The JFKA research information their presenters share ( by the authors themselves ) is simply mind boggling in scope and thoroughness. Watching this COPA conference video I once again am reminded of the vast amount of deep research and the incredible efforts of researchers regards the JFKA. So many ( even several on this forum) have spent decades ( DECADES! ) of their lives in the pursuit of the JFKA truth. It's really is an heroic mission effort. Especially when you realize these people have had to dig out their findings on their own without the help of our official government backing and even their discouragement. In total, the knowledge they possess and have made available to anyone inclined to actually read and hear it is a true National Treasure. A National Treasure of truth versus non-truth. Love these conference videos. Great to see all the JFKA researcher all-stars all in one gathering...John Judge, Lisa Pease, our own Jimmy D, Grodin, etc. Titans in the birth years of this JFKA truth seeking mission movement. For all new members of the forum who feel they may be under read in the JFKA research area like me...check out as many of these conference videos as you can find. And watch them all the way through. They are master class venues that will bring you up to snuff at least to a half-way decently informed degree. And they are all highly entertaining...and inspiring too.

A take on LBJ I've read 100X.

Don't forget the WC dismissing journalist Seth Kantor's recollection testimony of meeting and talking to Jack Ruby at Parkland Hospital while JFK was there. Something about over-excitement mental misremembering? And instead embracing the mentally deranged Jack Ruby's claim that he did not go to Parkland that afternoon? Now THAT was the WHOPPER of illogical truth altering WC WHOPPERS.

So much has happened since 2021 regards Trump that is so incredibly negative and further damaging of his legacy that his place on any presidential rating list should absolutely and rationally lose even more standing than 4th from the bottom. Unprecedented national division and anger with continuous seditious minded gas lighting. 2 more years of Trump's obsessive rigged election spouting which is so provenly false now, that to still promote this is clearly a sign of some psychologically delusional derangement. And never has a president been charged with serious crimes as Trump has. Trump's name is in the news daily ( for years now ) for one reason over any other ... criminal investigation. He was just found liable in a civil court of "sexual abuse" and "defamation" and ordered to pay his victim $5,000.000. What a shameful legacy embarrassment. And Trump's about to be charged with even more crimes of the most serious kind. These criminal cases will go on well into 2024. Historians can keep trying to downplay and even dismiss the legacy importance of these multitude of serious criminal charges surrounding Trump but with each court action that effort seems more and more dishonest and disingenuous and things just look worse and worse for Trump. It's the main story of Trump now over all others...and has been for years. The nation is weary and will become even more so of Trump's constant gas lighting anger and his never ending legal battles. The Trump deposition played for the E. Jean Carroll trial jury is in the documented historical record books forever. That deposition "alone" is one of the most character damning and damaging testimonies ever shared by a former president in so many appalling ways. Trump will never be the Republican nominee in 2024. All his opponents have to do is replay that deposition on the national stage and keep replaying it and referring to it and even the most rabid Trump followers will not be able to defend the things Trump states in it. Trump has done more damage to this country in the area of national division than just about any other former president. Lincoln decided that we as a nation had to go to a civil war to protect the very existence of our federal government democracy. But, he himself did not create that division. He had to deal with it but it was created by others ( a wealthy minority ) who wanted it to protect their own personal economic interests. With England helping to bolster the successionists in that conflict. Trump has done more bad character things in his presidency and lifetime of business doings than any other president by far. Well known conservative federal judge J. Michael Luttig has publicly stated he feels Trump is a "clear and present danger to our democracy." And DJT is STILL gas lighting the flames of nation dividing hate, anger and angst with more energy and action than any former president ever did after leaving office...by a long mile. Jimmy Carter offered his services in negotiating peace agreements and helped build affordable new homes for first time buyers in his post presidency time. G.W. Bush Jr. paints pictures. Reagan raised cows on his ranch. G.W. Bush Sr. jumped out of airplanes. Bill Clinton visited Jeffery Epstein's sex "Fantasy Island" and gives talks for big dollars. Trump just rages and rages and attacks and insults his enemies on his national social platforms. He keeps promoting the big L** that the 2020 election was rigged. It's his 24/7 obsession! He cannot allow himself to accept the fact that he is a "loser." His only other post presidency activity is promoting his business interests such as trading cards, golf courses and begging for donation monies from his poor and working class income followers so he doesn't have to spend his own billions to defend himself against all the criminal court cases constantly centered around him. The two years since the 2020 election have seen Trump's image go from constantly controversial to constantly criminally charged. His dim legacy light is dimming even lower. And, Trump has an incomparable lock on the legacy label of the "most crude talking" president and ex-president ever. LBJ was the worst until DJT, but he did this in private where as DJT seems to get a charge doing his crude insult thing in as many public venues as he can! GW Bush Junior liked to get good ole boy barbeque and beer down and dirty with fart jokes now and then post presidency, but he's actually been quite civil in his occasional public comments. Any future major film produced to highlight Trump's presidency and life outside of it will present the biggest challenge any screenwriter or group of screenwriters have ever even contemplated. And it seems to me the most honest tone and take of such a film would be that of tragic comedy. Perhaps with a title like " Citizen Orange?", " The Man From Mar A Lago?", " " MAGA Man?"

So many black Dallas folks watching the motorcade from the sidewalks. And every one of them have the most sincerely loving look while waving at JFK. Black Americans back then had never had an American President they felt so much hope, appreciation and downright love for.

Sounds like almost everybody working in the Kennedy administration ( especially those who interacted with him personally ) loved the guy! LBJ on the other hand...?

Liebeler first claimed ignorance about the "Leopoldo" the caller mentioned. A Cuban out of 1963 New Orleans who was involved in gun running to Cuba and mentioned in a CIA report. A man who knew Jack Ruby. Liebeler said this had nothing to do with the JFKA. The caller disagreed. Wonder if Sylvia Odio was ever shown a photograph of this gun running Cuban Leopoldo to see if he was the Leopoldo she met the night of Sept 25 at her apartment?

DVP You have offered this 1966 KCBS radio interview on your web site for many years now.

I've watched this episode of Firing Line 25 times. Buckley always liked to get the intellectual upper hand very early on in his jousting debate engagements with his guests. Regularly injecting high academic minded words, phrases and quotes that he knew went over the heads of some of them as well as most of his audience. IMO it was a purposeful intimidation tactic that rendered his opponents less sure of themselves intellectually. However, with Mark Lane this usual game plan of Buckleys didn't work. Mark Lane countered Buckley's best debate points so well...you could see Buckley uncomfortably "buckling" at times. Scribbling on his note pad. Looking down and away for several second long pauses and trying to come up with some new counter point punch backs. The audience knew Buckley had met his match with Lane. If I was a referee and this was a boxing match...I would have given the win to Lane. Watching Buckley and Lane at the same time on split screen created a funny quirky scene. Almost the entire time Mark Lane's head was immersed in a cloud of pipe smoke puffs. Surprised Buckley didn't call for a fan to be turned on Lane during one of the breaks.

Just came across this recorded question and answer radio interview program from 1966 on a station out of San Francisco, CA...call letters KCBS. The guest interviewee is Wesley Liebeler, a former senior attorney for the Warren Commission. Liebeler conducted the Warren Commission questioning of Sylvia Odio. We all know of Ms. Odio's "Leon Oswald" meeting story. If it really was Lee Harvey Oswald who was with two other men who visited Odio at her apartment in the Dallas area the evening of September 25th, 1963 ... the JFKA conspiracy implications are staggering. The call-in questioner in this segment of the interview was extremely well informed of the Sylvia Odio story and asked Liebeler very coherent and important point questions. You can tell Liebeler knows this caller-in fellow knows his stuff. What struck me about Liebeler's answers was how hesitatingly "unsure" he seemed be in directly dismissing Sylvia Odio and her story. He just would not say her Oswald meet up tale was flat out untrue. The best he could come up with was a "I simply don't think it was Oswald at that meeting." Personally, my gut feeling instincts tell me that Liebeler knew Sylvia Odio was telling the truth. He then shares a really vague proposal inferring Ms. Odio had some personal issues which tainted her credibility. Much was later reported about Sylvia Odio's mental health at the time. i.e. fainting spells, anxiety attacks? Listen to the radio program question and answer format recording yourself ( link below ) and decide for yourself whether Liebeler's waffling answers exposed his own unsureness regards Ms. Odio and her Leon Oswald story being more true than not. Liebeler had to share his vague inference of Ms. Odio being mistaken about her story due to emotional problems... but the "Big White Elephant In The Room" question remains... Syliva Odio's sister Annie was right there in apartment with the three men at the same time as Sylvia. She had a good look at the three men herself. She was rock steady in her confirmation of her sister's story and of the American being Lee Harvey Oswald. And Annie Odio had no medical history record of emotional issues at all. So, there were "two" eyewitnesses to Lee Oswald's presence in Sylvia Odio's apartment that evening. Of course, Liebeler and the Warren Commission would not call Annie Odio to testify. Sylivia Odio's Oswald meeting story was so important, they should have. 9:14NOW PLAYING LEE HARVEY OSWALD & SYLVIA ODIO (1966 RADIO SHOW EXCERPT WITH WESLEY LIEBELER) 4.4K views8 years ago David Von Pein's JFK Channel COMPLETE PROGRAM: http://dvp-video-audio-archive.blogspot.com/2012/03/defending-warren-

Lyndon Johnson and party: drunk, laughing, celebrating immediately after JFK's murder. Source: Air Force Steward Doyle Whitehead: https://countryroadsmagazine.com/art-and-culture/history/doyle-whitehead/

The fact that any of the Texas delegation acted happy on that flight back to DC is sickening to me. Even the brutal savage murder of their president ( right next to his forever traumatized wife and widowed young mother ) didn't move them? JFK hate was that deep and pervasive in Texas back then. That's a hard kind of hate. JFK was in a much more dangerous place in Dallas, Texas ( he told Jackie it was "Nut Country" ) than he ever realized imo.

These ominous yet often dead-end side stories have always intrigued me. I have several times posted that it seems logical that there would be many ( perhaps hundreds ) of people who had some type of contact with the main JFK/Oswald/Ruby story characters leading up to 11,22,1963 and who possessed 1st, 2nd or 3rd hand knowledge of information that would be revealing of truths different than what we know to degrees ranging from surprising to shocking. And for every reason that people might have for never revealing this information, like fear for themselves and their families, they chose to keep it secret their entire lives. Any information revealing about the JFKA and Oswald killing that contradicted the official record was always known to be potentially very dangerous to one's health. That was the common thought back then and to many, even decades later. If I knew something about the JFKA that would prove that others were involved and who they might be, especially if those involved were from powerful entities, I would be more inclined to not come forward than to do so. My own sense of logic tells me there are many such stories that we will never be made aware of. Yet, it would be fascinating to hear of even 1/4th of them. The Oxnard Calif. call and death of "Karyn Kupcinet" is one such ominously intriguing story that has never been easily dismissed imo. Another is the 40+ years late life sharing of a Dallas area woman ( Mary Ada Dowling ) who stated in an interview that she was a waitress at Dobbs restaurant on North Beckley in Oak Cliff for a year and a half up until 11,22,1963. In her time there she remembered seeing Jack Ruby and DPD officer Jefferson Davis ( J.D. ) Tippit sitting together and talking in her restaurant. I think she said it was more than one time. She also knew the woman Tippit was apparently having an affair with ( Johnny Maxie Witherspoon ) as Ms. Witherspoon worked with her as a waitress at Dobbs! She believed she saw Oswald himself come into the restaurant. Remember, Oswald rented a room on North Beckley. She also said she once remembered seeing Oswald sitting with another man and they both spoke a foreign language in their discussion. Ms. Dowling shared her story over 40 years after the JFKA. And she did so....off camera. She didn't want herself to be seen in this interview video. Does that sound like someone seeking attention? And she never made a dime from her story. She said she remained silent for 40 years due to fear. The most logical explanation especially considering the subject matter. And maybe she didn't want to bring any pain to Marie Tippit regards her recounting her husband's affair with Ms. Witherspoon?

I just happened to stumble upon an episode of the PBS production "Antique Roadshow" a couple of hours ago. This took place in Spokane, Washington in 2015. At the end of this episode they appraised a collection of papers directly connected to JFK while he was in office. These were owned by a woman who was actually employed in the JFK White House Press Office and who worked under Pierre Salinger. She was very young in 1963. I've included a link to the interview below. I think it would be better for our members to watch the interview versus me trying to summarize it. However, one personally disturbing side story: This woman flew on Air Force 1 from DC to Dallas. She was still on the plane " I was actually in the President's cabin" when she was informed of JFK being shot...and then dying. She left Air Force 1 immediately and mentioned that it was now LBJ's and his staff's plane. What really hit me in her recollections of that day was her stating she flew back to DC on a back-up plane. She said the Texas delegation flew back on this same plane. She said flying back on that plane was a very unpleasant experience for her. The reason being that some of the Texas people actually seemed "happy" on this flight. Reminds me of Texas Congressperson Albert Thomas giving LBJ that sickening smiling and winking "Atta Baby" look just seconds after he ( LBJ ) was sworn in as President on Air Force 1. And Virginia Murchison's housekeeper May Newman relating that the Murchison family celebrated JFK's death. "Like champagne and caviar flowed for a week." May Newman - "I was the only one grieving over JFK's death." Click on the words below "1961-1963 JFK archive" to see the video. The woman talks about the unpleasant flying experience with the Texas delegation near the end of the interview. 1961-1963 JFK archive;