John Butler

If you have Amazon Unlimited Kindle you can get a free download of Doppleganger and read it. I just signed up for Amazon Unlimited Kindle with supposedly a million titles for free. It's like 9 or 10 dollars per month. You can hardly buy a book for that price. Except for the Emil Kardos/Emil Gardos error, I have to give Mr. Schwimmer more credit than I have before. He makes a number of good comparisons putting disparate data into an understandable context. I just don't like the format. It's not news since Schwinner published the father and son Kardos pair in Dopplegander. What is news is that his info is wrong in comparison to the Tippit Call. Our information on Emil Gardos, Grace, Fred, and Louis Weinstock is new and correct. This is a real co-winky-dink. 3 Emil Kardos/Gardos living within a 5 minute walk of each other. In little Hungary (Yorkville). One street over from the Yorkville Club, the communist universe center in Yorkville. At this point I don't know anything about Emil Kardos and son, Emil. I'll try to find more info and get back in touch. Oh, the other book, the first mentioned, is something like $45 or $50 at Amazon. That's generally a sign there might be something interesting.

Thanks the numbers are a puzzler.

Thanks David, That's an information overload for my tired old brain. I'll look at this some more. I have already seen several good points you have made.

I'm providing this information for the record to compare Emil Kardos to Emil Gardos. Emil Kardos and Emil Gardos. These are not the same people. George Schwimmer, the writer of Doppelganger got it wrong. I really didn't like reading this book because of the format. However, I have persevered. For the record I have provided this information on Emil Kardos who Schwimmerr poses as Harvey. I think our version of Emil Gardos is correct. However, Emil Kardos is not married until 1941 and I know nothing about his family and if he had children. This *$#(& editor is not allowing me to put this in the right order. This is where Emil Kardos father and son lived in 1940. 320 East 80th Street is between 1st and 2nd Ave. The distance between Emil Kardos and Emil Gardos: The marriage of Emil Kardos to Helen Kaminski in 1941: All kinds of problems with editing here: Naturalization record of Emil Kardos: Name: Emil Kardos Age: 34 Estimated birth year: abt 1906 Gender: Male Race: White Birthplace: Hungary Marital status: Single Relation to Head of House: Son Home in 1940: New York, New York, New York Map of Home in 1940: View Map New York, New York, New York Street: E 80 Street House Number: 320 Farm: No Inferred Residence in 1935: New York, New York, New York Residence in 1935: Same Place Resident on farm in 1935: No Citizenship: Having first papers Sheet Number: 3B Occupation: Laborer Industry: Machine Shop Attended School or College: No Highest Grade Completed: High School, 2nd year Hours Worked Week Prior to Census: 40 Duration of Unemployment: 0 Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker in private work Weeks Worked in 1939: 52 Income: 1300 Income Other Sources: No Neighbors: View others on page View others on page Household Members: Name Age Emil Kardos 66 Emil Kardos 34 This record is the same as the one below: Bottom of Form Name: Emil Kardos Age: 66 Estimated birth year: abt 1874 Gender: Female Race: White Birthplace: Hungary Marital status: Widowed Relation to Head of House: Head Home in 1940: New York, New York, New York Map of Home in 1940: View Map New York, New York, New York Street: E 80 Street House Number: 320 Farm: No Inferred Residence in 1935: New York, New York, New York Residence in 1935: Same Place Resident on farm in 1935: No Citizenship: Alien Sheet Number: 3A Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 69 House Owned or Rented: Rented Value of Home or Monthly Rental if Rented: 27 Attended School or College: No Highest Grade Completed: High School, 2nd year Weeks Worked in 1939: 0 Income: 0 Income Other Sources: No Neighbors: View others on page View others on page Household Members: Name Age Emil Kardos 66 Emil Kardos 34

Thanks John K, I really like the old Internet Explorer (probably because I don't want to learn anything new) I'll download Firefox and give it another try.

Just asking? Camera effects?

Chris, Shot 2? Frames 56 thru 73? Shot 3? (frame 89). Are they using a different reference for Zapruder frames? What's with these numbers? Are they referring to frames past the Stemmons sign? What are they talking about? The p. limo was on Houston Street when Zapruder 56-73 were taken. This has to refer to something else? Surely these guys were using something else as a reference for frames. Were they working with a different Zapruder film? Since this January 28, 1964 is going to several Asst. Directors of the FBI it must be a serious document. It mentions various WC legal staff as agreeing. It is obviously not the official story. They didn't like the idea of one shot hitting Kennedy and then Connally? Frame 225 plus 56 or 73. Frame 281 to 298? That makes more sense according to Zapruder. Could you post the docs without the gif so that the second page can be read at the bottom. Or, post a reference to find these docs.

Does anyone know who took this photo? Are there more from the same photographer? Who is the Mac Wallace looking cowboy character. If no one identifies Mr. Rogers than could he be described as a Oswald double. Is that really Indiana Jones in the crowd?

Jim, Thanks for the search info discussion. And, thanks to Mr. Bojczuk. Is there any new information on the early years of the Oswald Project, say from 1942-1945, in these 3 books. Are there any references to the OSS, William Donovan, the Dulles brothers, or our favorite communists in NYC. Anything new on Mysterious Marge? From a quick search the Pat Shannon book is unavailable. A quick search lists one of his books with a nifty title roughly Everything They Ever Told Me Was A Lie. I have been feeling that way for years and years. Things have gone definitely worse during the Trump years. Who do you trust when nearly everyone appears to be lying? 2 trillion dollars to be spent which comes out to man, woman, and child at 66,000,000, or some such ridiculous figure, dollars per person. And, if that person is lucky they might get $1200 dollars. I don't even want to do the math on that. From above Mistaken Identity has this blurb: Mistaken Identity is not just another "conspiracy" book. It is a critique of the Warren Commission. New forensic and evidentiary material not published, proves that two individuals known as "Lee Harvey Oswald" enlisted in the U.S. Marines in 1956 using the same birth certificate. Recent genealogical research identifies them as second cousins through intermarriage of second-generation French families in New Orleans. It created a nightmare of identity for the FBI. Diligent FBI field agents solved the Kennedy Assassination, but superiors thwarted their efforts. A 1965 secret report by Robert Kennedy reveals the money conduit that killed his brother. Those poor FBI guys. Don't you feel their pain. And, those great genealogy researchers giving us the answer to what we have been searching for forever. Second cousins of second-generation French families. Maybe that accounts for Harvey's Baltic or Polish Russian accent according to Marina and knowledge of Russian. That Tippit caller must have been confused. Oswald could not have grown up in a Hungarian family of communists in NYC.

Eight shots from 3 different directions. That means that 5 shots are unaccounted for in the official story. Jean Hill said she heard about 6 shots. Other witnesses say more than 3. Where would these extra 5 shots have occurred? Most people take evidence from the Zapruder Film and do not really agree on what shots occurred where and in what sequence, but generally agree on three for the film. There are many theories. So, did the extra shots occur before the Zapruder sequences or after. And, don't forget the 3 different directions. What would those 3 directions be if the Sniper's Nest is ruled out? 9 out of 11 witnesses in the TSBD that were the closest to the Sniper's Nest said shooting occurred elsewhere and not from the TSBD. Jesse Curry said he could never put Oswald on the 6th floor with a rifle in his hands. Different witnesses down on Elm and Houston said different things about gunmen on the 6th floor and other floors. You can't prove anyone shot from the Sniper's Nest beyond a reasonable doubt. So, what 3 directions could that be? I did this sometime back just speculating on where you could shoot from and not really where a shot could come from based on the wounds of Kennedy and Connally. This pic shows there are two possibilities for ambush sites which are about equal in nature. Perhaps, more so for the Elm and Houston intersection. If I planned this I would certainly have shooters available for two ambush sites. We are not talking about long distance expert sniper marksmen. This was for a rifleman up close and easy. Feet rather than yards as a distance measure. Is there a possibility Dino was pulling the interviewer's leg or was he being sincere in this answer.

Speaking of searching. Has anyone had a problem with the Edge browser? There are occasions when I have entered searches involving some aspect of Oswald or Kennedy and Edge returns endless pages that have nothing to do with the research question. Then at other times Edge returns information on what you are looking for. I try to stay with Google but sometimes that doesn't help. That's when I resort to DuckDuckGo. Are there any better search engines than MS Edge or Google. Internet Explorer is being phased out.

John K, I have had a chance to think about that. There might be a San Francisco Police record for an L. Oswald. And, then again maybe not. If someone went to the police and urged them to released Sam Darcy then they should have signed that petition. There is no signature for L. Oswald.

I think Stevens made a mistake in researching this. She put this together on 10/12/61. On page 2 she has a definite reference to 1940 info on Nazis. This is before the time of the OSS or CIA. So, this must be or could be information from the FBI. On page 3 some of our old friends show up. The Daily Worker. This is where the mistake is; Per S. F. Police records have L. Oswald "signed?" "Lityn ?" 1/7/41 urging case against Sam Darcy be dropped. Signers were "Worllers" of Town Forum" Could be workers. L. Oswald may be a confusion of Oswald Garrison Villard of NYC in the Sam Darcy petition: and, This could be much to do about nothing. But, I don't think so: 1. What was the CIA doing tracking Lee Oswald in 7/8/55 or making notes of in that year? What is important to be noted there? David J. has this for roughly that date 1955 8 1 HARVEY letter states he's been studying MARXISM for 15 months until request for Socialist Party info dated Oct 9 1956 SUMMER Summer NOLA 120 N. Telemachus 126 Exchange NOLA summer Tujagues School year 55-56 2. What is the reference to 1940 info on Nazis about? Page 2 may have been intentionally made hard to read to cover up whatever can be interpreted there. 3. The Sam Darcy petition indicates concern with communists in 1940 in reference to Lee Or Harvey Oswald. 4. Items 2 and 3 must be from the FBI. This was before the time of the OSS or CIA. Could come from ONI? 5. So there is concern about Lee Harvey Oswald going back to 1940. He was a year old then. His father was dead. What's the point? 6. Harvey and Lee is the point.

After looking at this stuff for years I have to agree with Harold Weisberg:

I'm basically guessing what these building could be. They might be somewhere out of Dealey Plaza? Films were taken from Love Field to the end of Dealey Plaza. If I drew the incident ray/reflected ray right then the area shown should have no buildings in it. It probably would be better to use a map of Dealey Plaza with Altgens shown and the p. limo shown. I won't argue if Z 255 position is used for Altgens 6. I really think that the p limo was at the SW corner when Altgens was taken. Few people agree with that. Building 1 and Building 2 look more like the two court houses, old and new.

I tried to figure out what the reflections were on the limo in Altgens 5 and 6 sometime back. Not many cared for my interpretation so I give it up as a bad job. I'm still in the same boat. This is my current attempt. And, I'm not real sure of this. Altgens to the limo is the incident ray. Altgens is to the front and down the street in the outside lane or center lane. I used the outside lane. And, then there is the opposite and equal ray which is the reflection ray or what you should see. I don't think this is right but, if it is then what should be seen is the motorbike cops and the grassy field between Elm and Main Streets and perhaps the Arcade structure. Instead we see other streets and buildings. There appears to be two buildings and a street marked. This could be the two court houses, old and new. Or, if mirrored it could be the TSBD and Dal-Tex. One might see that as the Annex Building on Main and the courthouse across Houston. Just guessing. None of these buildings should be showing in these reflections. The TSBD and the Dal-Tex are on the other side of the street and to the rear. The same with the two court houses. I would think the arcade structure might show it the vehicle was at the SW corner of the TSBD. Just a guess.

David, I think we are in agreement that something screwy is going on with these reflections. Can't be Houston because of the lack of people. But, if the frame containing these reflections is unaltered then I don't know what to make of it. If that is not so and the frame is altered then it must be a reflection of another street from another time. But, what? It's been a while since I have thought about reflections. At my age the memory goes quickly so I thought to review: so, This doesn't look right but, using the angle of the vehicle it might be right. The reflection ray would need to be narrower to see the limo reflection in the frame? I probably didn't get the two rays equal. The normal would be right in the area that is reflected in the p. limo maybe? Just guessing here. This angle of reflection would be narrower and might just approach what is in the frame reflection? But, still there is missing people there. Zapruder and Dorman do not show the same number of people on the SW corner of Elm and Houston. But, that's another mystery. There are other mysteries in the Towner film such as the doorways appearance as versus say, Altgens 6. I would like to know where the alleged Billy Lovelady figure is? And, all the other characters that get argued about in the doorway and on the steps. Your right. I forgot the angle of reflection equals the angle of incidence and didn't draw the angles correctly. Tina Turner to the limo is the angle of incidence and the equal but opposite angle is the angle of reflection. In this case it should show the eastern side of the sidewalk on Houston plus the people there. It doesn't and that is the problem. Altered film has to be the right conclusion. But, where is the p. limo for this reflection to be true?

David, You have a keen eye, but greater sense of logic and reasoning. Those reflected images should be Elm and Houston Streets. If they are not then what streets could they be? Your saying that the street to the west is not Elm Street since it should not be reflected where the p. limo is at that spot on Houston takes me to another of my biases. I believe the Towner film is animation or a cartoon like presentation. At least in its early part. I've always thought something is going on in the intersection based on: 1. The Zapruder Gap- I believe the assassination occurred there and the imagery was transferred in the film to further down Elm. That wouldn't be hard to do there were a lot of films being taken in Dealey Plaza that didn't become known to anyone in the public. Ex. Military Photographers. There was supposedly 50 out an about. If one looks at the films and photos there are unidentified photographers in the intersection. 2. The Towner film's appearance: Example- it does not show the door of the TSBD correctly with the right people standing in it. It also has the "hit X" frame. 3. Most of the other films, Hughes, Bell, and Martin show the TSBD in the distance with the p. limo generally blocked from view. 4. The wild swerving of the limo in the turn onto Elm. 5. 50+ witnesses said they heard shooting when the p. limo was in front of the TSBD. This is what sold me on the notion that shooting occurred in front of the TSBD. So, if the streets reflected are not Elm and Houston what could they be? I think I have run into this kind of situation before with reflections in the Altgens 5 photo. But, I'll not sure since it has been a number of years since I have thought about that. What I see is empty sidewalk or if not empty possibly people are standing back from the edge and not like it is shown in Zapruder and Dorman where people on Houston are standing just off the sidewalk or with one foot on. Bushes seem to be growing on the street. This notion doesn't match Zapruder and Dorman. If that is Houston Street then where is the Arcade structure? Just under where Jackie is sitting is what appears to be low lying hills or a ridge in the distance that makes one think the street is Elm. But, one could see the same hills from Main or Commerce? This should be showing Elm and Houston. Tina was on the SW corner of Elm and Houston and fairly close to Houston and the intersection. The SW corner of Elm and Houston should be reflected here. What's wrong with this line of thinking? The limo has just entered the intersection and reflections should be like this maybe? The reflection don't show the TSBD or down Elm Street nor do they show the SW corner of Elm and Houston. Am I wrong when I say they don't show Houston also? This is because of the people shown in Zapruder and Dorman on the sidewalk and street just down Houston from the SW corner of Elm and Houston. Help!

I have been thinking about this tiger and I have decided that it should be fairly easy to social distance without feeling any moral issues.

You know, (said with my best Central Ky voice from back in the hills) the thing about them there tigers is that they always look hungry.

Jim, Here's something interesting and amusing that came up while working on pics in another thread. This bit of camera legerdemain may take a bit of explaining: First off, I have a frame from the Tina Towner film at the left (screen right). This frame shows reflections on the side of the p. limo that represents the crowds on the southwest corner of Houston and Elm Street since the vehicle is making the turn from Houston onto Elm. If possible magnify this. (This is where Toni Glover said she saw Kennedy's head explode. I include this also as an example of the weirdness of Dealey Plaza that afternoon.) The reflections on the side of the p. Limo has been mirrored and this is at the right (screen left) side. This shows a better view of Houston and Elm Streets. The reflections on the side of the p. limo shows a considerably reduced crowd on the southwest corner of Elm and Houston than the ones shown in the Zapruder frame and the Elsie Dorman Frame. This matches something else I have done with Zapruder and Dorman films. The number of people shown in the two films on Houston and Elm Street's southwest corner do not match.

As an example of alterations in the photo:

The Siebert and O'Neill report states that the autopsy doctors began to cut into Kennedy at about 8:15. This probably means that either Siebert or O'Neill reported to their boss back at FBI headquarters before he made his call to SAC Dallas at 9:18 PM. Which means that the Siebert and O'Neill report is a fraud. They reported the autopsy doctors could not find any bullets. The bullet that the Secret Service had is more than likely the stretcher bullet. The one behind the ear?

So, we can be sure that Harvey asked for Abt as his lawyer and had his home and office phone numbers memorized or the Dallas PD helped him with the numbers. Harvey had other numbers in his head. He called to North Carolina for help if I'm remembering right. If so what was the deal with Ruth Paine and others? Why did he ask so many different people? I think it is more that commie helps commie here. Was this a signal to his handlers that he could give the game away by connecting to Abt in New York and by connecting to Abt as someone who already knew what the game was? Was this a ploy by Harvey that he was not going down quietly and he was not going to take the blame? Was this an attempt by him to save his life in this situation? He probably figured that they were going to kill him eventually. When he looked and saw Jack Ruby on Sunday morning did he realize this was the end?

From Kennedy and Oswald: The Big Picture Here is an excerpt from this book: It would be interesting to know whose telephone for the office and residential address Oswald gave to Paine. One would assume that this was information to contact John Abt. If so, then why did Oswald have this information? Why did he have this telephone numbers of an office and residence in New York memorized? Did he have this information memorized or did he have someone look it up? Is there no evidence to say someone looked this up for him? Does this mean Oswald had some plan if caught in some nefarious business to have legal protection? Does this mean Oswald was uncertain of his place in the scheme of things in Dallas? And, is this request from Abt real as questioned in the last paragraph here?