Ray Mitcham Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 The Republicans have sold the country down the river, for the sake of silly political reasons, and fear of der Führer It's a pity that the rest of the country, and the world, will feel the pain. When the Fascists take over the knuckle draggers will realise what they have done. As somebody once said, "Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do." especially Mitch McCoward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted January 25, 2020 Author Share Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) I just listened to the national news reported tape reportedly of Donald Trump giving an order to members of his staff to "get rid of her" referring to Ukranian Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch. This 1 hour and 20 minute tape recording of this meeting with Trump was supposedly made by Lev Parnas's partner in crime buddy "Igor Fruman" while they were both sitting in on this dinner/meeting inside of Trump's Washington, D.C. hotel in April, 2018. All kinds of controversial questions are being asked at this minute in high level media about this meeting tape and Trump's alleged comments on it. Should be internet front page news starting tomorrow. Is it authentic? If so, my first thought upon hearing Trump speak in this meeting is this: If this tape of Trump is deemed credible, you hear Lev Parnas speaking directly to whoever was present in the meeting including Trump ( about Ukraine ) and Trump speaking back in direct response to Parnas's comments. And both Parnas and Trump are not shouting so one can reasonably assume they are not that far apart in this meeting. The meeting was described as relatively limited in attendance. Donald Trump Jr. was reported to be there. Just a week or more ago I watched President Trump in a nationally televised news briefing clearly say he had never met or "had any conversation with" those two men ( Parnas and Fruman ) beyond some chance photo-op encounters. This tape ( again, if analysed and confirmed as real ) exposes yet another blatant XXX on the part of Trump. If real, this tape reveals that Trump clearly engaged in a direct response discussion of Ukranian issues including Ambassador Yankovitch to the comments of Lev Parnas! If the tape is real, I hope at least some national media plays Trump's conversation in response to Parnas's comments about Ukraine and Yankovitch ( in a social situation beyond just a Donor photo-op one ) accompanied by a pairing playback of Trump's recent nationally reported news briefing comments about never having had non-photo-op contact with Parnas or his sidekick Fruman. I don't know how Trump gets away with these false statements ( in the thousands now ) with most of our national media never reporting this pathological behavior as a major presidential leadership disgrace and concern. Guess we'll all know more via tomorrow's news. Edited February 3, 2020 by Joe Bauer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 (edited) I've predicted, without joy whatsoever, that Trump will survive impeachment hearings unscathed. Here's one view on the process: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/01/trump-acquittal-impeachment-history.html When 'Hamilton wrote that the Senate should try impeachments because it is “dignified” and “independent,” “unawed and uninfluenced,” suffused with “the necessary impartiality” to render a just verdict,' he was echoing the rhetoric of the Constitution itself, which establishes practices and modes on little but hope and faith in the character of the participants, and their willingness to abide by the document's values. Perhaps a closer phrasing of Hamilton's ideal is: 'The Senate is large and a majority cannot possibly be swayed to anti-American conduct.' As we have seen... Edited February 1, 2020 by David Andrews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted February 1, 2020 Author Share Posted February 1, 2020 David, yes you did. What if so much dirt comes out on Trump and his team in the next few months that proves his greater guilt in these matters and exposes even more big nefarious revelations about Trump that are considered illegal and constitution violating? Do his cult like Republican defenders keep protecting him? I've never seen anything close to this kind of constitution attacking craziness and confusion with a President and his party in my almost 70 years. It's really ominous and even scary. Where does it end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Mitcham Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 (edited) On 1/23/2020 at 8:12 PM, W. Niederhut said: Agreed. This country is in very serious trouble. After watching that 22,000 man semi-automatic weapons rally in Richmond this week, I can't help thinking that we are on the brink of a serious national crisis. From here, it seems like a very short leap to some sort of "Reichstag fire" type event and a declaration of a "national security" emergency in the U.S. The next step would be a crack down on the "opposition" media, groups, and individuals who are deemed threats to "national security." I hope I'm wrong. It will be alright, W. as according to Dershowitz. the President , if he thinks it's in the national interest, can do anything he wants, without sanction. (Just when did Dershowitz. go crazy?) I wonder what he would have to say if Trump decided that in his belief, in the interest of the U.S. it would be better off without all the jews, and decided on a solution. The Republicans have just opened a Pandora's box of evil. Edited February 1, 2020 by Ray Mitcham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Ray Mitcham said: It will be alright, W. as according to Dershowitz. the President , if he thinks it's in the national interest, can do anything he wants, without sanction. (Just when did Dershowitz. go crazy?) I wonder what he would have to say if Trump decided that in his belief, in the interest of the U.S. it would be better off without all the jews, and decided on a solution. The Republicans have just opened a Pandora's box of evil. Ray, Trump has already insisted-- in so many words-- that the U.S. would be better off without all of the Mexicans. Trump's popularity in the 2016 Republican primary debates surged when he started denigrating Mexicans as "rapists" and "drug dealers." I never thought that I would be citing Linda Ronstadt in a serious debate about American politics, but she nailed it in her recent CNN interview with Anderson Cooper.* Like Ronstadt, I come from a part of the U.S. (Colorado) that was stolen from Mexico at gun point in the mid-nineteenth century, and bashing Mexicans has always been popular with "Manifest Destiny" American racistas from the Eastern U.S. Ironically, Donald Trump knows next to nothing about the American West. Mexican Americans are an integral-- and vital-- part of our culture and economy out here. Trump's racist denigration of Hispanics is based mainly on his life as a Puerto Rican-denigrating New Yorker who grew up watching West Side Story and pretending to be a knife wielding, Aryan "Jet"-- 30 years after his father was arrested at a KKK rally in Queens. * https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2020/01/03/linda-ronstadt-compares-trumps-america-hitlers-germany/2802923001/ "If you look at history, you won't be surprised, it's exactly the same. You find a common enemy for everybody to hate" Ronstadt said. "I was sure that Trump was going to get elected the day he announced, and I said it's going to be like Hitler and the Mexicans are the new Jews. And sure enough, that's what he delivered." Edited February 1, 2020 by W. Niederhut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Price Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Communism has never come to power in a country that was not disrupted by war or corruption, or both. - John F. Kennedy Expanding his quote to include totalitarianism, I would say we have the latter, I fear we shall soon have the former and King Donald and his "enablers" will cement their power. Next up internal chaos, an election declared invalid because of voter fraud. All attempts to bring back any "rule of law: will be decried as a product of the "rabid" democratic socialists' who are trying to remove him via the coup that was begun the day after his election in 2016. Who knows, Trump may officially ask Russia to assist in putting down the rebellion in the streets when it happens. Sorry, just had to say that before all means of dissent are cut off/ridiculed. Best of luck to everyone. I think we're going to need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 (edited) Delete Edited February 1, 2020 by Cliff Varnell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Mitcham Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, Richard Price said: Communism has never come to power in a country that was not disrupted by war or corruption, or both. - John F. Kennedy Expanding his quote to include totalitarianism, I would say we have the latter, I fear we shall soon have the former and King Donald and his "enablers" will cement their power. Next up internal chaos, an election declared invalid because of voter fraud. All attempts to bring back any "rule of law: will be decried as a product of the "rabid" democratic socialists' who are trying to remove him via the coup that was begun the day after his election in 2016. Who knows, Trump may officially ask Russia to assist in putting down the rebellion in the streets when it happens. Sorry, just had to say that before all means of dissent are cut off/ridiculed. Best of luck to everyone. I think we're going to need it. Got it in one, Richard. The United States now has its own King.... (or rather Feuhrer..."I can do what I like so long as I believe it is in the country's interest"). Like the Weimar Republicans, in the 30's, the spineless American Republicans have paved the way for a mad president to turn the country in a fascist state. (Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.) Hopefully there are enough sensible people in the military who will not let it happen. Luckily Trump isn't as clever as Hitler, who himself was more than a few sandwiches short of a picnic. Stand by for the assaults on the free press, the courts, the FBI and the military. That maniacal laughter you can hear is the laughter of Putin as he walks around the Kremlin. Why don't the Judiciary Committee reopen its investigation and call John Bolton, and let the story run and run. Could it do that? Edited February 2, 2020 by Ray Mitcham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Mitcham Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Don't wish to worry you folks, but it looks like the coronavirus outbreak, could be just the reason for calling a National Emergency. Make sure you have a big bag packed ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Has it occurred to anyone that the coronavirus is a bio weapon? When I heard our Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross intone that the outbreak would bring jobs back to the US I began to wonder about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted February 2, 2020 Author Share Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) I just viewed the Oxford University/ Tony Schwartz November 4, 2016 lecture video again and in it's entirety. This is the third time I have done so since I first came across it. Each time I view this I find it more profoundly thought provoking. Not just about Donald Trump, but about myself and the society and even larger world reality we live in. I "implore" others in this forum to view this lecture. At least once, but a second time if possible. So many important points to discuss and debate regards it but this is Super Bowl Sunday and I am guessing at least some of our members would rather not spend much time discussing things beyond light family gathering and sports related banter. Maybe later after this now quasi-religious American holiday more members can find a little time to share their reflections on the lecture. I wish every non-Trump-locked-in American of voting age (and even just under if they are inclined in such matters ) could view this Tony Schwartz/Oxford University lecture before the next election. I am certain ( I would hope ) that most would find it of great value in it's thoughtful insight and amazingly prescient Trump warning message. I know I will view this lecture again between now and the next election. It becomes more relative in a personal value sense each time. Just a greatly truth important piece imo. Edited February 2, 2020 by Joe Bauer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Ross Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Robert Wheeler said: The Deep State is 0 for 3 against Trump in Soft Coup attempts. Watch Biden take a nose dive in MSM polls. His usefulness as Trump's "victim" has passed. There is no need to keep him propped up any more. Interesting. You make some curious statements. If the score is 0 to 3, to what or to whom do you attribute that success? What is the third one? I'm assuming Mueller and Impeachment are two. What is or was Biden's "usefulness as Trump's 'victim'"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) I'm wondering how sales of Corona beer will be affected. No joke in Wuhan. Man's dead in the street: Edited February 3, 2020 by David Andrews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 5 hours ago, David Andrews said: I'm wondering how sales of Corona beer will be affected. No joke in Wuhan. Man's dead in the street: David...is this photo for real? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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