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[Joseph McBride]

 

[James DiEugenio]

Glad you did this one Joe.

This kid, I think he is only 25,  gets it.

And, for everyone else, these are two good books.

[Bill Brown]

At the 50:50 mark...

 

Did McBride really say that Oswald was placed in the lineups alongside men in suits?

 

Good grief. 

[Joseph McBride]

See Warren Commission Exhibit 1054 in Vol. XXII ("Photographs

of individuals present in lineups with Oswald") for two

photos of the participants in the lineups,

Dallas Police vice squad detectives William Perry and Richard Clark

and jail clerk Don Ables (I would have posted these

photos but wasn't able to do so). The two detectives at

left are wearing suits and ties in these two photographs. The man at

right, Ables, is wearing a checked short-sleeve

shirt over an undershirt. Oswald was disheveled in the lineups

and wearing only an undershirt with his pants. He also was bruised.

Joseph Ball asked Detective Jim Leavelle in his WC testimony,

"Is it unusual to use officers in the showup?" Leavelle

replied, "Yes; we don't normally do it. . . . I know in

all cases we usually try to have them dress

as alike as possible, the same as each other." That

clearly was not the case with these lineups. Although

the detectives are wearing suits and ties in the photos, Captain Will Fritz said

the officers took off their coats and neckties for the lineups; but Perry said

he took off his coat and tie but put on another sport coat, and

Clark said he took off his coat and tie but put on a red vest.

 

Edited July 13, 2022 by Joseph McBride

[Joe Bauer]

1 hour ago, Joseph McBride said:

Oswald was disheveled in the lineups

and wearing only an undershirt with his pants. He also was bruised.

Joseph Ball asked Detective Jim Leavelle in his WC testimony,

"Is it unusual to use officers in the showup?" Leavelle

replied, "Yes; we don't normally do it. . . . I know in

all cases we usually try to have them dress

as alike as possible, the same as each other." That

clearly was not the case with these lineups. Although

the detectives are wearing suits and ties in the photos, Captain Will Fritz said

the officers took off their coats and neckties for the lineups; but Perry said

he took off his coat and tie but put on another sport coat, and

Clark said he took off his coat and tie but put on a red vest.

Disheveled, unkempt hair, bruised face, ragged T-shirt and unpressed pants?

Oswald might as well have had a sign hung around his neck that said in big bold black letters ... " I'm The Guy! "

Edited July 13, 2022 by Joe Bauer

[Bill Brown]

7 hours ago, Joseph McBride said:

See Warren Commission Exhibit 1054 in Vol. XXII ("Photographs

of individuals present in lineups with Oswald") for two

photos of the participants in the lineups,

Dallas Police vice squad detectives William Perry and Richard Clark

and jail clerk Don Ables (I would have posted these

photos but wasn't able to do so). The two detectives at

left are wearing suits and ties in these two photographs. The man at

right, Ables, is wearing a checked short-sleeve

shirt over an undershirt. Oswald was disheveled in the lineups

and wearing only an undershirt with his pants. He also was bruised.

Joseph Ball asked Detective Jim Leavelle in his WC testimony,

"Is it unusual to use officers in the showup?" Leavelle

replied, "Yes; we don't normally do it. . . . I know in

all cases we usually try to have them dress

as alike as possible, the same as each other." That

clearly was not the case with these lineups. Although

the detectives are wearing suits and ties in the photos, Captain Will Fritz said

the officers took off their coats and neckties for the lineups; but Perry said

he took off his coat and tie but put on another sport coat, and

Clark said he took off his coat and tie but put on a red vest.

 

So now they're not wearing suits in the lineup?

[Bill Brown]

If they weren't wearing suits then don't say they were wearing suits. 

[Bill Brown]

9 hours ago, Joseph McBride said:

See Warren Commission Exhibit 1054 in Vol. XXII ("Photographs

of individuals present in lineups with Oswald") for two

photos of the participants in the lineups,

Dallas Police vice squad detectives William Perry and Richard Clark

and jail clerk Don Ables (I would have posted these

photos but wasn't able to do so). The two detectives at

left are wearing suits and ties in these two photographs. The man at

right, Ables, is wearing a checked short-sleeve

shirt over an undershirt. Oswald was disheveled in the lineups

and wearing only an undershirt with his pants. He also was bruised.

Joseph Ball asked Detective Jim Leavelle in his WC testimony,

"Is it unusual to use officers in the showup?" Leavelle

replied, "Yes; we don't normally do it. . . . I know in

all cases we usually try to have them dress

as alike as possible, the same as each other." That

clearly was not the case with these lineups. Although

the detectives are wearing suits and ties in the photos, Captain Will Fritz said

the officers took off their coats and neckties for the lineups; but Perry said

he took off his coat and tie but put on another sport coat, and

Clark said he took off his coat and tie but put on a red vest.

 

The Warren Commission exhibit you are referring to, that photo was taken about six months after the assassination. Therefore, it is irrelevant to what Perry, Clark and Ables were wearing during the lineups in November of 1963.

Edited July 13, 2022 by Bill Brown

[Robbie Robertson]

On 7/12/2022 at 6:17 AM, Joseph McBride said:

 

Hoping to get you on another panel we still got another one coming up Friday 

[W. Niederhut]

2 hours ago, Bill Brown said:

If they weren't wearing suits then don't say they were wearing suits. 

Who in the hell are you to tell Professor McBride what to say on this forum?

I think we all understood his point in the interview about the dubious line up, irrespective of semantic nit-picking about the difference between a suit jacket and a sport coat.

His erudition speaks for itself.

Your disrespectful attitude is highly offensive, at least to me.

 

[Bill Brown]

23 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:

Who in the hell are you to tell Professor McBride what to say on this forum?

I think we all understood his point in the interview about the dubious line up, irrespective of semantic nit-picking about the difference between a suit jacket and a sport coat.

His erudition speaks for itself.

Your disrespectful attitude is highly offensive, at least to me.

 

No. Some unsuspecting listener who's new to the case could hear him say that and believe it. It's irresponsible and foolish.

[Bill Brown]

And by the way, mentioning only that error, I was being nice. He said a lot of foolish things in that interview.

[W. Niederhut]

14 minutes ago, Bill Brown said:

And by the way, mentioning only that error, I was being nice. He said a lot of foolish things in that interview.

Nonsense.  You focused on a trivial semantic detail in a clumsy attempt to discredit a lengthy, erudite, informal commentary by a man with vast knowledge of his subject.

I recognize erudition when I hear it.  I'm a Harvard grad.

What is your background, and what literature have you studied on the JFK assassination?

From what I've seen thus far, you remind me a professional heckler who harassed Ralph Nader during a lecture I attended years ago  in college.

[Joseph McBride]

I second what Jim DiEugenio says about Robbie Robertson -- he's

a young JFK assassination/other political topics researcher who

has gotten up to speed quickly and well. I enjoyed talking

with him and will happily do so again. 

[Joe Bauer]

BB...

Do you actually think that Oswald placed up on a lighted stage in a noticeable disheveled and exhausted and distressed emotional state, bruised face, wearing only a T-shirt and working class pants when several men chosen for the line up are dressed much differently ( even with coats and ties removed ) looking well groomed and not beaten up isn't a laughably obvious exercise in due process procedural  misconduct?

The DPD put together a line up so starkly different that even hysterical Tippit shooting eye-witness Helen Markham could pick out the most hapless and disheveled looking man in it.

Markham could see Oswald's guilt by the look in his eyes? Maybe the lights shown on the line up were so bright it forced Oswald to squint which Markham interpreted as a mean and threatening look?

Edited July 14, 2022 by Joe Bauer