Ruth Paine on "The Assassination & Mrs. Paine" film: "Well done, but powerfully awful"

[David Von Pein]

AT FACEBOOK, JOE ALESI SAID:

I saw Ruth yesterday [October 9, 2022] and informed her of the good work you are doing to knock down the lies and misinformation people like DiEugenio are spreading. The best part: She doesn’t even know who DiEugenio is.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Thank you, Joe, for telling Ruth Paine about my online posts supporting her.

And I think it's good that Ruth isn't very much aware of who Jim DiEugenio is. She's probably better off not knowing much about him.

If you see Ruth again, please give her my very best and let her know how much I admire and respect her.

And if you want to provide her with a good laugh, show her this image (also seen below). Ruth might also get a kick out of our "Richmond, Indiana" connection (which, in part, is true; I was born in Richmond and was living there when Ruth visited that town in September of 1963):

 

The original hilarious post written by "Dealey Joe" in 2010 can be viewed HERE.

 

Edited October 11, 2022 by David Von Pein

[Joe Bauer]

Greg Doudna ...

Speaking of hand written notes from Jack Ruby, what do you think of the claim by Dallas Sheriff Al Maddox that Jack Ruby ( being escorted from his jail cell to a courtroom ) passed him a hand written note via a hand shake where Ruby wrote that it was a conspiracy ( the whole JFK affair or just the Oswald killing?"

You think Maddox made that story up?

Maddox was right there on the inside during Ruby's entire time in jail.

Edited October 11, 2022 by Joe Bauer

[David Von Pein]

JOE ALESI SAID (at Facebook)....

Max Good has learned that Ruth has now seen “The Assassination and Mrs. Paine”, and [Max] made a post on [The Education Forum]. I’m pleased to announce that not only have I been appointed as Ruth Paine’s Ambassador to the JFK community but could also be her “handler”.

Ruth Paine, handler of Oswald, now has her own handler! I read this to Ruth yesterday and she burst out laughing.

Edited October 11, 2022 by David Von Pein

[Greg Doudna]

56 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said:

Greg Doudna ...

Speaking of hand written notes from Jack Ruby, what do you think of the claim by Dallas Sheriff Al Maddox that Jack Ruby ( being escorted from his jail cell to a courtroom. ) passed him a hand written note via a hand shake where Ruby wrote that "it was a conspiracy" ( the whole JFK affair or just the Oswald killing?"

You think Maddox made that story up?

Maddox was right there on the inside during Ruby's entire time in jail.

I don't think Maddox was making that up but finding that note today or what it said exactly is not easy. The best I can find is this from a 1996-1997 issue of The Kennedy Assassination Chronicles 2, 4, which says: "By my efforts, this note was loaned to the former JFK Assassination Information Center on May 13, 1992, to be exhibited to the public. It was later sold to collector Anthony Puglcise. A section of the note states, '... my motive was to silence Oswald'" (https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=4257#relPageId=49).

[Allen Lowe]

Von Pein is like a bad nickel, keeps popping up to show us how fake it is. As for Ruth being a war tax protester, was she ever prosecuted for this? Of course not. She has, like all intelligence operatives, a get out of jail free card

[David Von Pein]

40 minutes ago, Allen Lowe said:

Von Pein is like a bad nickel, keeps popping up to show us how fake it is. As for Ruth being a war tax protester, was she ever prosecuted for this? Of course not. She has, like all intelligence operatives, a "get out of jail free" card.

And---as usual---a conspiracy theorist (this time someone named Lowe) is more than happy to drag Mrs. Paine through the mud, despite a complete lack of something called "evidence" to support his ridiculous claim that Ruth Paine was an "intelligence operative".  And yet this despicable evidence-free hobby of character assassination against Ruth Paine continues---year after year. Pathetic.

 

Edited October 11, 2022 by David Von Pein

[Matt Allison]

I haven't seen the movie so I have a question:

Has Ruth Paine been directly asked if she felt romantic attachment to Marina Oswald?

[James DiEugenio]

Matt:

 

I asked Carol Hewett, the best researcher on Ruth Paine ever, and she said there was none.

[Matt Allison]

16 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

Matt:

 

I asked Carol Hewett, the best researcher on Ruth Paine ever, and she said there was none.

Thanks, Jim.

That's interesting, as I had always sensed that might have been motivation in some aspects of that saga, but perhaps not.

[Joe Bauer]

10 hours ago, Greg Doudna said:

I don't think Maddox was making that up but finding that note today or what it said exactly is not easy. The best I can find is this from a 1996-1997 issue of The Kennedy Assassination Chronicles 2, 4, which says: "By my efforts, this note was loaned to the former JFK Assassination Information Center on May 13, 1992, to be exhibited to the public. It was later sold to collector Anthony Puglcise. A section of the note states, '... my motive was to silence Oswald'" (https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=4257#relPageId=49).

"my motive was to silence Oswald." ???

What a potential dynamite admission from Jack Ruby!

GD, you don't think Maddox was making his Ruby note claim up?

But the note can't be found? And if it can't be found it cannot be analyzed to prove it was written by Ruby?

It's dumbfounding to me that that note, allegedly with that Kryptonite statement by Ruby,

would not be gone after like a located sunken Spanish ship gold treasure!

And if the Maddox note is ever "dug up" and proven to be Ruby's authentic writing...then what? 

IMO, if the note is real and Ruby said what Maddox said he did in it...we have a JFK assassination truth " Rosetta Stone" moment.

A "Houston, we have a problem" ... "they are positioned above the rise and are observing us." moment.

With that "my motive was to silence Oswald" admission by Ruby...that note could have triggered a 10 point seismic level earthquake in the JFK investigation and Ruby's part in it in his killing of Oswald.

And if Ruby was telling the truth in that note...it adds solid weight to the proposition that Ruby had help getting into the DPD building basement to do his Oswald hit.

I suppose if the note is ever rediscovered and proven to be an authentic Ruby writing, there would be an instant counter by Lone Nut defenders that Ruby made his Oswald killing motive claim up for some desperate emotional break down reason.

How in the world could Dallas County Sheriff Maddox have kept that note to himself all those years?!

He MUST have known that note could have changed history.

Edited October 11, 2022 by Joe Bauer

[Joe Bauer]

There are some questions I would have liked to have run by Ruth Paine. 

In response to attorney Gerry Spence's inquiry about Ruth possible connection to a 3 letter agency Ruth laughed.

That the question was preposterous.

Maybe so. 

However, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Ruth always vague when asked about whether she knew who her sister worked for back in Virginia in 1963? What her sister did in her employment? Intelligent, inquisitive Ruth never asked her sister even one question about this subject?

Does Ruth still claim she didn't know what her sister did for a living and who exactly she worked for back then?

Also, we know Marina knew many incriminating things about Lee and his secretive doings such as his back yard photos, Walker shooting, crazy hijacking ideas, etc. while she lived with Ruth. Things she obviously kept from sharing with Ruth.

Knowing later all these things Marina kept from her, did Ruth ever change her personal feelings about Marina when she discovered how much Marina kept from her regards Lee?

Did Ruth feel any suspect feelings about Marina after the event and these kept secrets Marina had came out? 

Feelings that Marina wasn't as innocent as Ruth perhaps thought she was?

I always wondered also whether Marina told Ruth much more about Lee and his covert doings than Ruth ever admitted?

Maybe not. 

And how much did Ruth tell the FBI about Lee before 11,22,1963?

Maybe nothing. 

Just questions.

 

[Matt Allison]

1 hour ago, Joe Bauer said:

In response to attorney Gerry Spence's inquiry about Ruth possible connection to a 3 letter agency Ruth laughed.

JMO, but there's no guarantee Ruth Paine would have ever known she was used as an asset. It's entirely likely she wouldn't have needed to know.

[Paul Cummings]

Just ask this question to Ruth Paine. What sources of income did you receive in 1963?

[Joe Bauer]

30 minutes ago, Paul Cummings said:

Just ask this question to Ruth Paine. What sources of income did you receive in 1963?

I asked that question earlier in the thread but no one responded to it.

Obviously Ruth was a stay-at-home mom for quite some time. Obviously Michael Paine provided for her family needs. I wondered whether Ruth might have had an endowment herself like her estranged husband?

Ruth didn't live high on the hog at all, but she didn't seem struggling either. I remember her stating once how she had to spend extra money helping Marina with extra grocery needs etc. Like it was a bit of a sacrifice on her end?

That one month long driving summer vacation she took in 1963 before ending up at the Oswald apartment in New Orleans and convincing Marina to come back to Irving probably took enough extra funding that most unemployed, stay-at-home single moms in those days couldn't afford?

[James DiEugenio]

Its not true Joe that Ruth was simply a say at home Mom in 1963.

She taught Russian at a high class private school called St. Mark's in the Dallas/ Fort Worth area.