Jonathan Cohen Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 (edited) 22 hours ago, Karl Kinaski said: According to Tosh Plumlee and Judyth Baker there not only were kill-teams in Dallas but abort teams too ... groups with the mandate to prevent the kill-teams to became operational ... IMO Oswald was infliltrating both sides ... according to Judyth Baker Oswald was part of an abort team and intended to sabotage his part in the plot if used by a kill-team ... You actually believe a word of what Judyth Baker says? Edited November 6, 2022 by Jonathan Cohen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 (edited) So all 3 of these witnesses who claimed they saw Oswald in the presence of Ferrie in Ferrie's apartment ( Perry Russo) and in the same rooms as Ferrie in Guy Banister's work place ( Jack Martin and Delphine Roberts ) are lying? Did Ferrie try to retrieve his New Orleans public library card that Oswald purportedly borrowed? Edited November 7, 2022 by Joe Bauer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Joe Bauer Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 6 hours ago, Robin Finn said: Wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Mellor Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Yeah, double Wow! Bet the Times-Picayune photography department have long been relieved of these pictures, but has anyone checked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Kinaski Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 @ Joe Bauer Quote You asked: Did Ferrie try to retrieve his New Orleans public library card that Oswald purportedly borrowed? According to Judyth Baker it wasn't the NOLA public library card that put Ferrie in alarm-mode, but his (Ferries) library card from the Tulane Medical school. On Friday 22.11. 1963, after Oswalds cover was blown and Ferrie was abolut to drive to Texas to see what he could do for Oswald, Ferrie was still in phone-contact with Judyth V. Baker. Here is her account, quote from her book ME AND LEE. Quote: (ME AND LEE) Quote .--- Suddenly, I (Judyth V. Baker) remembered the call wheel. I always worked overtime on Fridays. If I’d gone home, I would have missed Dave’s call! I checked the call-wheel schedule. It was time for Dave to call! I headed to the pay phone under the pine trees near the gas tanks. Surely he would have some inside news. The phone rang right on time, but as soon as I answered, Dave exploded: “Do you have my library card?” he demanded. “Jackass Martin called the police and told them Hector had my library card!” Then it struck me. Dave wasn’t talking about his card for the New Orleans Public Library; he was talking about his card from the Tulane Medical School library. That card would lead the police not only to Dave Ferrie, but straight to Dr. Ochsner. The Project would be exposed, and that would be disastrous for everybody involved! Dave had lent me his TMS library card so I could check out medical journals, and I had given the card to Lee in David Lewis’s presence when I needed Lee to return some medical journals for me. David Lewis must have told Jack Martin, as he always seemed to do, especially with information concerning Dave Ferrie. Lee, of course, had given the card back to me later, but David Lewis (and therefore Jack Martin) didn’t know that. I had planned to give the card back to Dave Ferrie the last time I saw him, but that was the same night that I had the disastrous exit interview with Ochsner. I was too upset to remember Dave’s TMS library card. It had remained lost and forgotten somewhere in the cellars of my cavernous purse. “Do you have it?” Dave demanded frantically. “I’ve even been to Hector’s apartment, and it wasn’t there!” “I have it,” I replied. “I want you to burn it! Right now! While I’m on the phone!” Dave ordered. Here I was, standing in between a liquid nitrogen tank and a liquid oxygen tank, with “No Smoking” signs posted all around. I described the scene to Dave over the phone. “Then dissolve it in sulfuric acid!” he commanded. I agreed to do just that, though I actually ripped it into tiny pieces and buried it in the sand under a pine tree. ---- Close quote KK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Cohen Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 13 minutes ago, Karl Kinaski said: According to Judyth Baker it wasn't the NOLA public library card that put Ferrie in alarm-mode, but his (Ferries) library card from the Tulane Medical school. Seriously.. how can anyone who considers his or herself a student of the Kennedy assassination still believe one word of what Judyth Baker says? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Karl Kinaski said: @ Joe Bauer According to Judyth Baker it wasn't the NOLA public library card that put Ferrie in alarm-mode, but his (Ferries) library card from the Tulane Medical school. On Friday 22.11. 1963, after Oswalds cover was blown and Ferrie was abolut to drive to Texas to see what he could do for Oswald, Ferrie was still in phone-contact with Judyth V. Baker. Here is her account, quote from her book ME AND LEE. Quote: (ME AND LEE) Close quote KK True or not, I like the dramatic flair. And if she made up Ferrie's dialogue and demeaner I wonder how close she is in getting this right, relative to what others have found in their research? Is JVB the first to write about Oschner being involved in some really dark and ominous covert programs and doings? Or, did JVB simply dig this up from others who had already exposed these things about Oschner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Cohen Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 38 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said: Or, did JVB simply dig this up from others who had already exposed these things about Oschner? She made up every detail and story about Oswald being involved in any of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) This is old news, but one of the most incriminating things about Ferrie was he was trying to find that picture of him with Oswald in the CAP, he was calling the members of that CAP unit in the days after the JFK case. And yes, he was worried about Oswald at the library with his card. He made phone calls on that also. Edited November 7, 2022 by James DiEugenio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) On 11/6/2022 at 7:47 AM, Joe Bauer said: So all 3 of these witnesses who claimed they saw Oswald in the presence of Ferrie in Ferrie's apartment ( Perry Russo) and in the same rooms as Ferrie in Guy Banister's work place ( Jack Martin and Delphine Roberts ) are lying? Did Ferrie try to retrieve his New Orleans public library card that Oswald purportedly borrowed? No they were not Joe, and there were far more people than just Roberts and Martin who saw Oswald going into, or at the Camp Street address. Or knew he was working for Banister. In fact, I list about ten such witnesses in Destiny Betrayed. Edited November 7, 2022 by James DiEugenio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Just now, James DiEugenio said: No they were not Joe, and there were far more people than just Roberts and martin who saw Oswald going into, or at the Camp Street address. Or knew he was working for Banister. In fact, I list about ten such witnesses in Destiny Betrayed. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, James DiEugenio said: This is old news, but one of the most incriminating things about Oswald was he was trying to find that picture of him with Oswald in the CAP, he was calling the members of that CAP unit in the days after the JFK case. And yes, he was worried about Oswald at the library with his card. He made phone calls on that also. So, JVB's account ( even if made up ) of personally talking with Ferrie and Ferrie's frantic library card concern was based on a true situation? Makes sense that Ferrie would be frantic about anything tying him to Oswald in any way. And common sense would dictate Ferrie having such a Tulane U. library card. Technical scientific manuals and books that he needed for his rat cancer studies would not be in the city library. Reminds me of Gerald Posner and his major publisher, "Case Closed" book which received national book tour coverage and credibility regarding his claim that there was absolutely no connection of Ferrie to Oswald. Until Posner and that claim got egg in the face slammed as a completely discredited one when the CAP picture surfaced showing young Lee Oswald happily washing camp out cooking pans with other young boys with their camp leader David Ferrie smilingly supervising their cadet fun and games just feet away. Ferrie WAS connected to Oswald. The CAP cadet campout photo proved this. Edited November 8, 2022 by Joe Bauer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis Morissette Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 10 hours ago, Joe Bauer said: Reminds me of Gerald Posner and his major publisher, "Case Closed" book which received national book tour coverage and credibility regarding his claim that there was absolutely no connection of Ferrie to Oswald. Until Posner and that claim got rotten tomato in the face slammed as a completely discredited one when the CAP picture surfaced showing young Lee Oswald happily washing camp out cooking pans with other young boys with their camp leader David Ferrie smilingly supervising their cadet fun and games just feet away. Ferrie WAS connected to Oswald. The CAP cadet campout photo proved this. Posner probably meant there was no KNOWN connection between the two. Besides, being in the same photo does not mean they other connection other than talking to each other at an one-time event. They may have never seen each other before or ever after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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