Allen Dulles and his Nazi Pals in Ukraine 🇺🇦

[Matt Allison]

On 1/20/2023 at 8:39 PM, Pat Speer said:

Claiming it is otherwise is Russian propaganda. Sorry. 

Yep.

Russian propagandists have been trying to hurt the U.S. by piggybacking onto the JFKA for decades though, so it really isn't much of a surprise when they attempt it here.

[Bob Ness]

15 hours ago, Matthew Koch said:

Chris, thanks for sharing! Very detailed,informative, and scholarly. 👍

 

We all stand in awe of your genius. How have we all survived these many years?

[Bob Ness]

On 1/20/2023 at 6:39 PM, Pat Speer said:

If you've spent time with a holocaust victim, or spent time with Armenian or Ukrainian refugees, as I have, you know that the hatred of Germany, Turkey and Russia is real and justified, and not some CIA fabrication. Claiming it is otherwise is Russian propaganda. Sorry. 

Thanks Pat. It seems the Ukrainian people have no agency of their own according to the foreign policy clowns who post here. This was pointed out here years ago ad infinitum during the Maidan revolt and the invasion of Crimea and we now have a new round of people who know how to post other's opinions. My feeling is the Ukrainians who are fighting the Russians probably know what they are willing to accept from their neighbors. Just as a reminder to others:

[Bob Ness]

On 1/20/2023 at 8:34 PM, W. Niederhut said:

This is about the third or fourth time that Chris Barnard has posted the same Mearsheimer video, which I have responded to TWICE by posting Princeton historian Stephen Kotkin's diametrically opposite opinion about NATO and Putin's invasion of Ukraine.

A Scholar of Stalin Discusses Putin, Russia, Ukraine, and the West | The New Yorker

Kotkin is a Professor of History at Princeton who has published several scholarly books about Russian history, his area of expertise.

Sometimes I get the impression that the Putin apologists around here haven't really studied Russian history-- including the gory details in Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipelago-- not to mention the more recent gory revelations about the Wagner Group and Russian war crimes in Ukraine.

Are people aware that many Ukrainians did not want to be re-subjected to Stalin's brutal yoke after 1942?  Nor did most people in Poland and the Baltic states.

Also, have any of our Putin apologists read Catherine Belton's recent history of Putin and his KGB-aligned oligarchs-- Putin's People?

Putin's People: Belton, Catherine: 9781250787323: Amazon.com: Books

 

 

It's really this simple. What NATO member countries in Europe have broken out in sustained armed conflict since the end of WW2?

Considering the hundreds of years of war between Europeans of every stripe including tens of millions of deaths and casualties until that time I don't consider the Pro Russian pablum here has a single strand of thread to dangle from. All of the European violence since the end of the war has the Russians and USSR firmly behind it and occured within their sphere of influence.

[John Cotter]

1 hour ago, Bob Ness said:

Thanks Pat. It seems the Ukrainian people have no agency of their own according to the foreign policy clowns who post here. This was pointed out here years ago ad infinitum during the Maidan revolt and the invasion of Crimea and we now have a new round of people who know how to post other's opinions. My feeling is the Ukrainians who are fighting the Russians probably know what they are willing to accept from their neighbors. Just as a reminder to others:

The usual ad hominem insults from soi disant compassionate liberals.

Who are the foreign policy clowns here, Bob? Those who understand what "full spectrum dominance" means, or those who don't?

[Matthew Koch]

8 hours ago, Lori Spencer said:

The Galloway interview with Gonzalo Lira was great! 
 

I’ll be on George Galloway’s Mother of all Talk Shows this Wednesday at 4 PM Central US time. I think that’s 9 PM London time. ⏰ 

Cool, make sure to link it.. I will check it out! 

[Guest]

11 hours ago, Bob Ness said:

We all stand in awe of your genius. How have we all survived these many years?

Well, you survived just fine on your keyboard, the dead are in Iraq, Vietnam and everywhere else thanks to foolish foreign policy and a knuckle-headed public cheerleading war. 
 

Takes 5 mins to read Smedley Butler. 

[Guest]

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[Bob Ness]

5 minutes ago, Chris Barnard said:

Well, you survived just fine on your keyboard, the dead are in Iraq, Vietnam and everywhere else thanks to foolish foreign policy and a knuckle-headed public cheerleading war. 
 

Takes 5 mins to read Smedley Butler. 

And this has what to do with Ukraine? Perhaps a geography lesson is needed. If you for a minute think I supported those efforts you're mistaken.

Speaking of cheerleading... what makes you cheer on the annihilation of an innocent population in Ukraine?

[Bob Ness]

10 hours ago, John Cotter said:

The usual ad hominem insults from soi disant compassionate liberals.

Who are the foreign policy clowns here, Bob? Those who understand what "full spectrum dominance" means, or those who don't?

How bout those who understand borders? Seems that's pretty basic John. 

[Bob Ness]

I'm still waiting for the response on conflicts in NATO member nations since the end of the war. Apparently nobody has looked into that.

[Matthew Koch]

35 minutes ago, Bob Ness said:

I'm still waiting for the response on conflicts in NATO member nations since the end of the war. Apparently nobody has looked into that.

Russia is using the same pretext that NATO used in Kosovo. NATO exploited that conflict so that it could justify not dissolving. NATO bombing Libya and overthrowing Qaddafi didn't have anything to do with protecting Europe from Russia..

[John Cotter]

2 hours ago, Bob Ness said:

How bout those who understand borders? Seems that's pretty basic John. 

Full spectrum dominance has no respect for borders other than the borders of the dominant power, Bob.

[Guest]

On 1/20/2023 at 7:39 PM, Pat Speer said:

I haven't watched these videos or followed this thread, for fear of hearing or reading some nonsense about Ukraine being turned against Russia by National Socialists and the big bad CIA. That stuff makes me sick. My best friend growing up, with whom I stayed friends till his untimely passing while training troops in Ukraine, was a Ukrainian-American, and I spent hundreds of hours in his house with his parents and grandparents. And to them Russia was an invader, who had overseen a genocide before WWII, and had imprisoned the Ukrainian people after the war. My best friend's dad, for that matter, had been captured by the German Army during the war, and had come to America after being freed from a camp. As I recall, he'd been forced to work for the Germans because of his language skills, and had been brought to Germany from Ukrainian Poland. He was then allowed to immigrate to the states along with other captives from what was formerly Poland, which had been swallowed up by the Russians. He told me he'd faked documents as well so that some of his fellow Ukrainians could avoid being sent to Russia, which was anxious for their return, so they could be used for slave labor. 

If you've spent time with a holocaust victim, or spent time with Armenian or Ukrainian refugees, as I have, you know that the hatred of Germany, Turkey and Russia is real and justified, and not some CIA fabrication. Claiming it is otherwise is Russian propaganda. Sorry. 

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[Bob Ness]

2 hours ago, Matthew Koch said:

Russia is using the same pretext that NATO used in Kosovo. NATO exploited that conflict so that it could justify not dissolving. NATO bombing Libya and overthrowing Qaddafi didn't have anything to do with protecting Europe from Russia..

Best you could do? What a joke.