Allen Dulles and his Nazi Pals in Ukraine 🇺🇦

[Paul Brancato]

On 1/17/2023 at 7:30 PM, Lori Spencer said:

If you’re curious to take a look at the actual documents I’ve highlighted some of the juicy ones in this thread: 

 

I have tried to engage many friends on this subject but no little avail. Once Putin invaded it became nearly impossible to discuss Ukrainian history, or NATO expansion. As the months wear on NATO and US are supplying more potent offensive weapons. The situation is becoming more dangerous. Virtually no one asked what to me is a central question: If western powers were not willing to arm Ukraine prior to the invasion for fear of angering Russia, why are they increasingly ok with it? Simply put, the invasion was not a foregone conclusion, yet no western power did anything to stop it despite predicting it daily in the Press. So apparently we would rather have a proxy war than a standoff. Who suffers? Ukrainians, the vast majority of whom are not the Nationalists that these documents chronicle. Who benefits? US oil and gas companies for one, and obviously military contractors, in short the old Military Industrial Complex, for which NATO is essentially a front. I find it hard to understand why one cannot present real history without being called Red, or a Putin apologist, or a ‘comrade’.
And, indeed, why did we need a Natzi War Crimes Disclosure Act? 

Edited January 20, 2023 by Paul Brancato

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Paul Brancato said:

I find it hard to understand why one cannot present real history without being called Red, or a Putin apologist, or a ‘comrade’. 

I feel for you, Paul. The way a swathe of the public are behaving is something we have seen time and time again. There is a shutting down of any discussion, almost like a frustrated partner who is angered by something and says they just doesn’t want to hear it. IMO it’s another fear psychosis that puts people right back into the animal part of the brain (fight, flight, freeze, feed, fornicate). With Ukraine, Covid or even the cold war, they just seem consumed with fear or the exhilaration of winning. 
MSM has such a powerful impact on the mind, they can induce this fear psychosis, like switching on a water tap. This is all explained in the darker side of psychology. Ordinarily rational people are turned into intolerant suppressors of discussion. I never really understood how the persecution of witches could happen, until the past few years. Critical thinking is paralysed by these techniques. 

Psychologist Joost Meerloo’s full audiobook is on Youtube. Anyone who has the appetite can learn about how this is done to the minds of the masses or an individual. 
 

@Steven Kossor also read it and found it most interesting. Mattias Desmet also wrote a book last year called “The psychology of totalitarianism” which borrows a lot from Meerloo’s writing. 

[Guest]

I posted this a couple of weeks ago or so, a recent interview with preeminent geopolitics expert, John Mearsheimer. He saw all of this coming years in advance. 
 

 

[Benjamin Cole]

2 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

I have tried to engage many friends on this subject but no little avail. Once Putin invaded it became nearly impossible to discuss Ukrainian history, or NATO expansion. As the months wear on NATO and US are supplying more potent offensive weapons. The situation is becoming more dangerous. Virtually no one asked what to me is a central question: If western powers were not willing to arm Ukraine prior to the invasion for fear of angering Russia, why are they increasingly ok with it? Simply put, the invasion was not a foregone conclusion, yet no western power did anything to stop it despite predicting it daily in the Press. So apparently we would rather have a proxy war than a standoff. Who suffers? Ukrainians, the vast majority of whom are not the Nationalists that these documents chronicle. Who benefits? US oil and gas companies for one, and obviously military contractors, in short the old Military Industrial Complex, for which NATO is essentially a front. I find it hard to understand why one cannot present real history without being called Red, or a Putin apologist, or a ‘comrade’.
And, indeed, why did we need a Natzi War Crimes Disclosure Act? 

Paul---

Yes, there is context. 

On the other hand, Russia has big and tactical nukes, and more than 12,000 (yes, 12,000) tanks. The determination of the Russian people to defend the homeland is legendary. 

In short, no one was going to invade Russia. 

I have speculated that US intel lured Putin into Ukraine, by leaking reports Russia would win quickly and there would be no consequences and then BIden's offer of a ride to Zelensky. Whether Biden was cognizant this was going on is anyone's guess. 

Either that, or the globalist-establishment was fine with Putin running Ukraine, as they could and have been doing lots of business with Putin (a kleptocrat, btw). One kleptocratic regime or the other. Globalists are happy to do business with Xi/CCP. How low can you go? Money is what counts. 

All that said, Putin's war is not justifiable. If volitional wars are criminal, then his is a criminal war. I would completely support Putin if NATO had invaded Russia. But that did not happen, and would never happen. 

As I said, globalists were happy to do business in Russia. They did not need a regime change in Russia. 

 

[Ron Bulman]

A post here about what I want to say will get buried.  Maybe it's worth a new topic to give it a day or two's life, for Paul.

[Pat Speer]

I haven't watched these videos or followed this thread, for fear of hearing or reading some nonsense about Ukraine being turned against Russia by National Socialists and the big bad CIA. That stuff makes me sick. My best friend growing up, with whom I stayed friends till his untimely passing while training troops in Ukraine, was a Ukrainian-American, and I spent hundreds of hours in his house with his parents and grandparents. And to them Russia was an invader, who had overseen a genocide before WWII, and had imprisoned the Ukrainian people after the war. My best friend's dad, for that matter, had been captured by the German Army during the war, and had come to America after being freed from a camp. As I recall, he'd been forced to work for the Germans because of his language skills, and had been brought to Germany from Ukrainian Poland. He was then allowed to immigrate to the states along with other captives from what was formerly Poland, which had been swallowed up by the Russians. He told me he'd faked documents as well so that some of his fellow Ukrainians could avoid being sent to Russia, which was anxious for their return, so they could be used for slave labor. 

If you've spent time with a holocaust victim, or spent time with Armenian or Ukrainian refugees, as I have, you know that the hatred of Germany, Turkey and Russia is real and justified, and not some CIA fabrication. Claiming it is otherwise is Russian propaganda. Sorry. 

Edited January 21, 2023 by Pat Speer

[W. Niederhut]

This is about the third or fourth time that Chris Barnard has posted the same Mearsheimer video, which I have responded to TWICE by posting Princeton historian Stephen Kotkin's diametrically opposite opinion about NATO and Putin's invasion of Ukraine.

A Scholar of Stalin Discusses Putin, Russia, Ukraine, and the West | The New Yorker

Kotkin is a Professor of History at Princeton who has published several scholarly books about Russian history, his area of expertise.

Sometimes I get the impression that the Putin apologists around here haven't really studied Russian history-- including the gory details in Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipelago-- not to mention the more recent gory revelations about the Wagner Group and Russian war crimes in Ukraine.

Are people aware that many Ukrainians did not want to be re-subjected to Stalin's brutal yoke after 1942?  Nor did most people in Poland and the Baltic states.

Also, have any of our Putin apologists read Catherine Belton's recent history of Putin and his KGB-aligned oligarchs-- Putin's People?

Putin's People: Belton, Catherine: 9781250787323: Amazon.com: Books

 

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, W. Niederhut said:

This is about the third or fourth time that Chris Barnard has posted the same Mearsheimer video, which I have responded to TWICE by posting Princeton historian Stephen Kotkin's diametrically opposite opinion about NATO and Putin's invasion of Ukraine.

A Scholar of Stalin Discusses Putin, Russia, Ukraine, and the West | The New Yorker

Kotkin is a Professor of History at Princeton who has published several scholarly books about Russian history, his area of expertise.

Sometimes I get the impression that the Putin apologists around here haven't really studied Russian history-- including the gory details in Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipelago-- not to mention the more recent gory revelations about the Wagner Group and Russian war crimes in Ukraine.

Are people aware that many Ukrainians did not want to be re-subjected to Stalin's brutal yoke after 1942?  Nor did most people in Poland and the Baltic states.

Also, have any of our Putin apologists read Catherine Belton's recent history of Putin and his KGB-aligned oligarchs-- Putin's People?

Putin's People: Belton, Catherine: 9781250787323: Amazon.com: Books

 

 

A faux pas on your part, I think. This interview on UnHerd is a month old. Mearsheimer’s assessment you responded to was originally from back in 2015 after the first conflict (2014). Separate interviews / speeches. 
 

Notice, I am not complaining or objecting to you posting an alternate view. That’s how free speech works, William. 
 

PS I have read to he Gulag Archipelago and listened to Peterson’s unpacking/interpretation of the horrors. You’re conflating separate things as if they are one, letting your emotions infringe on your logical thinking procsss.  Surely the nuanced perspective is that there are three super powers that are vying for dominance, constantly. This geopolitical rivalry causes friction; and conflict, with the victims being people like the Ukranians. It’s quite telling that you find the Monroe Doctrine acceptable but, no other super power can take a similar position. Your position has exacerbated the conflict, mine would have ended it promptly, stopping the suffering of the Ukrainian’s and Russians fighting, and stopped the usual  munitions corporations and oil giants profiting. 

[Matthew Koch]

17 hours ago, Chris Barnard said:

I posted this a couple of weeks ago or so, a recent interview with preeminent geopolitics expert, John Mearsheimer. He saw all of this coming years in advance. 
 

 

Chris, thanks for sharing! Very detailed,informative, and scholarly. 👍

There appears to be a divide between informed people on the conflict and people who don't watch lectures and third party sources to find the facts that the Ukraine supporting M$M media isn't reporting. The uninformed msm viewer I'm talking about tends to look at the conflict in very simplistic terms like; Putin invaded. Where as people with more information and thus a more sophisticated opinions see this as a string of NATO expansions, a EU/Nuland coup de tat and Obama & Biden Admin foreign policy blunders that has left Russia at this point, no other option than to win the war by any means... 

The guy I've been posting in the Trump thread about Ukraine, a couple of days ago did an interview with George Galloway. They talk mostly about what is to come in the war, which is total defeat once this new introduction of Russian troops breaks the final stand of the Zelensky's forces. They also speculate if Poland is going to take the baton and be the next US/NATO poxy to poke the Bear into action and that proxy conflicts with Russia look like the Western Establishment's game plan.  

 

[Matthew Koch]

 

[Guest]

WWII Deaths by Soviet republic

Soviet Republic	Population 1940	Military Dead	Civilian Dead	Total	Deaths as  % 1940 Pop.
Armenian SSR	1,320,000	150,000	30,000	180,000	13.6%
Azerbaijan SSR	3,270,000	210,000	90,000	300,000	9.1%
Byelorussian SSR	9,050,000	620,000	1,670,000	2,290,000	25.3%
Estonian SSR	1,050,000	30,000	50,000	80,000	7.6%
Georgian SSR	3,610,000	190,000	110,000	300,000	8.3%
Kazakh SSR	6,150,000	310,000	350,000	660,000	10.7%
Kirghiz SSR	1,530,000	70,000	50,000	120,000	7.8%
Latvian SSR	1,890,000	30,000	230,000	260,000	13.7%
Lithuanian SSR	2,930,000	25,000	350,000	375,000	12.7%
Moldavian SSR	2,470,000	50,000	120,000	170,000	6.9%
Russian SFSR	110,100,000	6,750,000	7,200,000	13,950,000	12.7% (A)
Tajik SSR	1,530,000	50,000	70,000	120,000	7.8%
Turkmen SSR	1,300,000	70,000	30,000	100,000	7.7%
Uzbek SSR	6,550,000	330,000	220,000	550,000	8.4%
Ukrainian SSR	41,340,000	1,650,000	5,200,000	6,850,000	16.3% (B)
Unidentified	-	165,000	130,000	295,000
Total USSR	194,090,000	10,700,000	15,900,000	26,600,000	13.7%

 

 

[John Cotter]

On 1/20/2023 at 10:13 PM, Chris Barnard said:

I feel for you, Paul. The way a swathe of the public are behaving is something we have seen time and time again. There is a shutting down of any discussion, almost like a frustrated partner who is angered by something and says they just doesn’t want to hear it. IMO it’s another fear psychosis that puts people right back into the animal part of the brain (fight, flight, freeze, feed, fornicate). With Ukraine, Covid or even the cold war, they just seem consumed with fear or the exhilaration of winning. 
MSM has such a powerful impact on the mind, they can induce this fear psychosis, like switching on a water tap. This is all explained in the darker side of psychology. Ordinarily rational people are turned into intolerant suppressors of discussion. I never really understood how the persecution of witches could happen, until the past few years. Critical thinking is paralysed by these techniques. 

Psychologist Joost Meerloo’s full audiobook is on Youtube. Anyone who has the appetite can learn about how this is done to the minds of the masses or an individual. 
 

@Steven Kossor also read it and found it most interesting. Mattias Desmet also wrote a book last year called “The psychology of totalitarianism” which borrows a lot from Meerloo’s writing. 

Well said, Chris.

Regarding Professor Mattias Desmet, I may have mentioned this video of him being interviewed before, and you’ve probably watched it, but in case you haven’t and in case others might be interested in watching it, here it is again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLDpZ8daIVM

 

Edited January 21, 2023 by John Cotter

[Lori Spencer]

On 1/20/2023 at 3:54 PM, Paul Brancato said:

I have tried to engage many friends on this subject but no little avail. Once Putin invaded it became nearly impossible to discuss Ukrainian history, or NATO expansion. As the months wear on NATO and US are supplying more potent offensive weapons. The situation is becoming more dangerous. Virtually no one asked what to me is a central question: If western powers were not willing to arm Ukraine prior to the invasion for fear of angering Russia, why are they increasingly ok with it? Simply put, the invasion was not a foregone conclusion, yet no western power did anything to stop it despite predicting it daily in the Press. So apparently we would rather have a proxy war than a standoff. Who suffers? Ukrainians, the vast majority of whom are not the Nationalists that these documents chronicle. Who benefits? US oil and gas companies for one, and obviously military contractors, in short the old Military Industrial Complex, for which NATO is essentially a front. I find it hard to understand why one cannot present real history without being called Red, or a Putin apologist, or a ‘comrade’.
And, indeed, why did we need a Natzi War Crimes Disclosure Act? 

Turns out the CIA had a LOT to disclose about their nefarious activities w/ Yahtzee’s in Ukraine! (And Germany, and elsewhere…) 

 

As a follow up to my previous reporting on the Yahtzee War Crimes Disclosure Act, I then took a deep dive into the 1977 Senate Committee hearings into MK UKTRA (that Sen. Kennedy made possible), digging to see what I could find about the Agency’s use of LSD and brainwashing on these Ukrainian assets. This is what I found so far. 

If anyone here has additional information or documents on any aspect of this, please contact me via DM or email. 

Edited January 22, 2023 by Lori Spencer

[Lori Spencer]

On 1/19/2023 at 8:31 PM, Ron Bulman said:

Hi Lori.  If I'd thought about it more before asking this question, I should have concluded so.

Correct me if I'm wrong.  From memory.

Dulles in the OSS n WWII, stationed in Switzerland overlooked Natzi - US banking transactions, oil deals, IBM's Jew counting machines, the Holocaust.

When Gehlen came down from the mountain after the war was over and was given a US Officer's uniform as a disguise to get him to the US, Dulles was there waiting to greet him.  They had him fitted for a new suit from NY's finest clothier.  They took a shine to each other, two peas in a pod.      

You’re right on the money, Ron! 

[Lori Spencer]

13 hours ago, Matthew Koch said:

Chris, thanks for sharing! Very detailed,informative, and scholarly. 👍

There appears to be a divide between informed people on the conflict and people who don't watch lectures and third party sources to find the facts that the Ukraine supporting M$M media isn't reporting. The uninformed msm viewer I'm talking about tends to look at the conflict in very simplistic terms like; Putin invaded. Where as people with more information and thus a more sophisticated opinions see this as a string of NATO expansions, a EU/Nuland coup de tat and Obama & Biden Admin foreign policy blunders that has left Russia at this point, no other option than to win the war by any means... 

The guy I've been posting in the Trump thread about Ukraine, a couple of days ago did an interview with George Galloway. They talk mostly about what is to come in the war, which is total defeat once this new introduction of Russian troops breaks the final stand of the Zelensky's forces. They also speculate if Poland is going to take the baton and be the next US/NATO poxy to poke the Bear into action and that proxy conflicts with Russia look like the Western Establishment's game plan.  

 

The Galloway interview with Gonzalo Lira was great! 
 

I’ll be on George Galloway’s Mother of all Talk Shows this Wednesday at 4 PM Central US time. I think that’s 9 PM London time. ⏰ 

 

We will be discussing my reporting on this topic, the CIA’s 75 year love affair with the Ukrainian nationalists. I’m going to try and talk JFK a bit too, as time permits. Galloway is a follower of the JFKA case, and frequently retweets my work on JFK. So I know he’s curious…