Allen Dulles and his Nazi Pals in Ukraine 🇺🇦

[Matthew Koch]

13 hours ago, Matt Allison said:

I wonder what this person thinks about the issue. Maybe we can flag her down.

Anyone know what time zone she lives in?

 

 

I interpret it as NATO had an ex head that was an ex National Socialist, the Royal Family of England closet supported the (N)azis, America had closet supporters of National Socialist Germany like Prescott Bush and heads of corporations like Henry Ford that supported (N)azis and now we see a group of Neo (N)azi extremists that abstractly connect to all three groups via CIA, Operation Gladio and Otto Skorzeny. Which make me ask has that connection always been there and never left?

That is what I also see the context of the thread to mean. Allen Dulles saved people associated with Operation Sunrise those people had contacts with Gehlen Network, that Network was working with CIA and other Western Intelligence like Israel. So were these fascist people contracted out like a cut out to kill JFK? Based on Zr Rifle documents and Harvey's latter close proximities to Gladio via Rome, I'd say very likely. 

 

From The Skorzeny Papers P.119 Chapter PB7

They had both fear and hatred of Communism and some had been (N)azi collaborators or served in volunteer SS units fighting for Germany. 

It was precisely these groups that were targeted for recruitment by Frank Wisner's OPC. It was under the guidance set forth under NSC 10/2 that Labor Service companies were secretly financed and used as cover for paramilitary programs involving covert warfare. The secret formation was to serve as guerrilla units for a potential war with the Soviets. An excellent background on the use of Labor Companies and the reasons for their formation is described in the book, Blowback: America's Recruitment of National Socialists and Its Destructive Impact on Our Domestic and Foreign Policy, by author Christopher Simpson. In Blowback, Simpson reveals the U.S. war planning involved in the use of Labor companies and their importance to much larger strategic nuclear war preparations. 
          U.S. intelligence was keenly aware that the (N)azis had created similar work brigades of Ukrainians and foreign-born Germans for use during the invasions of Poland and the Baltic states. These (N)azis Labor Service squads also served as hitmen, organized into special assassination units. During the war Skorzeny had established sabotage schools that trained Russian defectors, Ukrainians, Latvians, and others for the Baltic countries. During the latter part of World War II, Skorzeny was involved setting up stay-behind formations of the Ukrainian underground in a secret program designated Operation Sonnenblume (sunflower). After the war, some of the foreigners associated with Skorzeny's schools ended up in the émigré camps and undoubtedly sought work in the Service Labor companies. 

*Here is a coda that brings us full circle back to the original topic before people who can't separate their partisan emotions from the War in Ukraine with Russia without using Ad Homs. This is the point of the thread IMO; Ukrainian (N)azis were connected with Otto Skorzeny and these fascist sympathizers are believed to be part of the Secret Gladio Network, and that secret Gladio Network may have been used in Dealey Plaza. Gladio connects to the current CIA backed extremists who were once used to fight the USSR and now being used to fight the Russians in the Donbas region. This is a major pretext to Putins invasion so it really does go full circle.

Did these networks ever stop? That is what I would like to know, were they restarted? Or is this the Secret team, fascist secret agents showing up to do ops like WaterGate or like overthrowing the government of Ukraine by faking a sniper attack by the Ukrainian government which was backed by Putin at the time, by Secret Fascists in the government of Western Powers (NeoCons/NeoLibs).

That is sorta the thesis to the Torbitt document that there was/is a secret world assassination cabal that used Permindex and other corporations similar to the company in the 'Parallax view' to procure assassins and do assassination ops against their political enemies. Gladio seems to support that there was, and that it started with assassinations of world leaders and shifted into trading drugs and False Flag terrorism.

[Jeff Carter]

The content of the February 2008 Burns memo strongly refutes the “Neo-imperialist” concept.

[W. Niederhut]

23 minutes ago, Jeff Carter said:

The content of the February 2008 Burns memo strongly refutes the “Neo-imperialist” concept.

How so?   Your statement begs the question, rather than answering it.

What Burns said was that Western support for Ukrainian sovereignty might provoke Russian military intervention in Ukraine.

But what if Putin and his KGB-aligned oligarchs already had a longstanding, step-wise goal of re-establishing the Soviet empire-- Hypothesis #2 (above.)  They had already crushed Chechnya.

In the 21st century, they sought to control Ukraine through a variety of measures-- propaganda, political chicanery, (with Paul Manafort's assistance) bribery, political incarcerations, (e.g., Yulia Timoshenko's imprisonment) and even assassinations-- before forcibly annexing Ukrainian territory, (in 2014) and fomenting a violent revolution against the Ukrainian state in eastern Ukraine.

What historical evidence do you have that Putin did not, ultimately, intend to do to Kyiv what he had done to Grozny?

[Lori Spencer]

On 1/22/2023 at 6:08 PM, Lance Payette said:

This is relevant to the JFKA only to the degree that the cartoonish obsession with the CIA apparently causes people to believe anything. 

Have you read the actual CIA documents, Lance? The docs which my Twitter thread explains in excruciating detail, about the actual Ukrainian Yahtzee collaborators and war criminals the CIA fell in love with after WWII? 
 

Do you even know who Stepan Bandera was, or what he did? Can you explain why he is “hero of Ukraine?” Why his birthday is a national holiday, when thousands march in the streets waving Yahtzee flags and do their fascist right arm salutes? Do you know what “Slava Ukraini” really means? 
 

It’s all right there in the US government’s own files, declassified in 1998 under the Yahtzee War Crimes Disclosure Act. 
 

We’ve been funding, arming, training, and protecting these Yahtzee’s from 1945 to the present day. 

Nobody is making this up. Putin isn’t paying me to do journalism. Putin didn’t write what’s in those those CIA files. Your government did. 

[Lori Spencer]

Here are some of the CIA documents, with links in this thread to more: 

You’ll find LOTS of interesting reading in these! 
 

And if you’re still not convinced that the “national heroes” of today’s Ukraine — the men who forged their entire culture — were in fact actual Yahtzees who adore Hitler and fully endorse Yahtzee racial ideology, then you should DEFINITELY read this thread, and the Cambridge University paper linked at the end. 

Open your 👀 and 🧠 my friends, before it’s too late to stop WW III. It’s escalating quickly to the point of no return. 

[James DiEugenio]

What is the date on the Field Project Outline document Lori?

[Lori Spencer]

On 1/23/2023 at 12:02 AM, John Cotter said:

What's despicable is racism - and the fact that the racism you're spewing, Lance, is Russophobic racism is no excuse

Exactly, John. Well said. 

 

What people forget (or maybe just don’t know) about the Yahtzee genocide is that it wasn’t just Jews and Poles who were targeted for extinction. You know who Hitler hated more than Jews or Poles? Communists. Soviets. 
 

He killed 27 million communists, citizens of the USSR — which makes the Holocaust look small by comparison. 
 

That’s why Russophobia is dangerous. Once we make it okay to hate the Russians, then it’s okay to slaughter them. 

[Lori Spencer]

48 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

What is the date on the Field Project Outline document Lori?

Jim, that document is undated. My best guesstimate would be around 1950, based on the fact that Project REDBIRD was mentioned. 
 

More documents on REDBIRD at the MFF: 

CIA PROJECT REDBIRD 

Edited January 26, 2023 by Lori Spencer
Added URL

[Lori Spencer]

Actually Matt, the crowds of Yahtzees are much larger in Ukraine. 

Every year, including 2023 — even during a war — they do grand Bandera birthday  parades on January 1 in every Western Ukrainian city to honor the butcher of Wolyn, Stepan Bandera. They turn out by the thousands. This is footage of the rally in just one city — Kiev. 
 

But yeah I’m sure all those Banderite Yahtzees went poof 70 years ago, like magic! 💨 The ideology couldn’t possibly have survived… 

Be sure to read how many fans Bandera has in the comments section of this Associated Press video! 😮 

 

 

Edited January 26, 2023 by Lori Spencer

[Matt Allison]

Lori- if this thread is going to stay up, in the interest of transparency, please tell us who sponsors what you do.

This evening you were on Russian State Media. Don't you think you have something of a conflict of interest here?

 

 

[Matt Allison]

1 hour ago, Lori Spencer said:

Every year, including 2023 — even during a war — they do grand Bandera birthday  parades on January 1 in every Western Ukrainian city to honor the butcher of Wolyn, Stepan Bandera.

A Pole in the comments to the video you posted seems to disagree:

 

The idea that Ukraine is a "Natzi country" is laughably absurd, and not just because they elected a Jewish President.

But it seems Russian propagandists have little else to claim when it's time to defend Putin's genocidal war crimes.

Don't pretend you're against war, and then in the next breath carry Putin's water. It's offensive.

[Ron Bulman]

 Moscow would almost certainly blame the West for strikes on any major Russian city.

Putin Is Going to Flip: Will Ukraine Launch an Attack on Moscow? (msn.com)

[Matt Allison]

3 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

Moscow would almost certainly blame the West for strikes on any major Russian city.

Moscow already tries to blame the West for all the awful stuff Moscow is already doing themselves, so... not much of a surprise.

[Bob Ness]

6 hours ago, Lori Spencer said:

Exactly, John. Well said. 

 

What people forget (or maybe just don’t know) about the Yahtzee genocide is that it wasn’t just Jews and Poles who were targeted for extinction. You know who Hitler hated more than Jews or Poles? Communists. Soviets. 
 

He killed 27 million communists, citizens of the USSR — which makes the Holocaust look small by comparison. 
 

That’s why Russophobia is dangerous. Once we make it okay to hate the Russians, then it’s okay to slaughter them. 

All they have to do is stop shooting people Lori. Most everyone here knows they've been using this gross exaggeration as a pretext to invade. You're the only person here who hadn't heard of Bandera.

Your position in view of the facts is both ignorant and discusting. Instead of posting other's opinions go find somebody on the ground there and ask them. Supposedly you are a journalist. Posting other people's work is not that. It's dittoism.

Edited January 26, 2023 by Bob Ness

[Gerry Down]

2 hours ago, Bob Ness said:

All they have to do is stop shooting people Lori. Most everyone here knows they've been using this gross exaggeration as a pretext to invade. You're the only person here who hadn't heard of Bandera.

Your position in view of the facts is both ignorant and discusting. Instead of posting other's opinions go find somebody on the ground there and ask them. Supposedly you are a journalist. Posting other people's work is not that. It's dittoism.

I don't propose to be an expert on this conflict but I think there is probably wrongs on both sides, but here in the west the wrongs on the Zelensky side are hidden. So we have this weird good vs evil idea in the west, when it is probably more nuanced than that. 

I think if the wrongs on both sides were exposed in the western media more then politicians here would be more bold in demanding that Zelensky and Putin enter negotiations to bring peace. But the politicians here in the west are afraid to ask for negotiations because the left wing media will jump down their throats and call them "russian shills" etc. 

The overly good press Zelensky is getting is emboldening him to reject negotiations and prolong the war. And in the meantime innocent men, women and children are dying needlessly.