The Kennedys v The Deep State

[Benjamin Cole]

5 minutes ago, Cliff Varnell said:

The short load scenario has been discussed at length on the EF.

Problem overcome by making a heavier round.  The MKNAOMI rounds had a 100 yard range.

Not my version of events.  Why people can’t wrap their head around that mystifies me.

There was a variety of delivery systems.  Depended on the requirements of specific operations.  Most required the “dog gun” with smaller rounds.  

Enjoyable.  Thanks.

In your research, have you come across what is the likely material of an ice bullet, a quarter inch in diameter, effective at 75 yards (effective enough to enter through a coat and shirt and penetrate two inches). 

What would make the frozen substance heavier but leave no trace, at least that rank amateur poseurs, acting as autopsists, could find?

[Cliff Varnell]

1 hour ago, Benjamin Cole said:

In your research, have you come across what is the likely material of an ice bullet, a quarter inch in diameter, effective at 75 yards (effective enough to enter through a coat and shirt and penetrate two inches). 

http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/church/reports/vol1/pdf/ChurchV1_6_Senseney.pdf

http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/church/reports/vol1/pdf/ChurchV1_1_Colby.pdf

Both Senseney and Colby refer to weapons that were made to order depending on the requirements of the operation.

Check out Figure 8 in this:

https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/6e/2c/f1/b7f57725cf38b1/US6705194.pdf

 

1 hour ago, Benjamin Cole said:

What would make the frozen substance heavier but leave no trace, at least that rank amateur poseurs, acting as autopsists, could find?

Make it bigger.

[David Andrews]

We'd call this unusual if it weren't so...usual.  Salon.com has been running, almost exclusively, features on how RFK, Jr., is "bad for democracy."  Usually re: the anti-vaxx theme.

Here's the latest:

https://www.salon.com/2023/06/30/rfk-jr-spreads-bigotry-against-autistic-people--and-autistic-people-arent-taking-it-anymore/

[Benjamin Cole]

45 minutes ago, David Andrews said:

We'd call this unusual if it weren't so...usual.  Salon.com has been running, almost exclusively, features on how RFK, Jr., is "bad for democracy."  Usually re: the anti-vaxx theme.

Here's the latest:

https://www.salon.com/2023/06/30/rfk-jr-spreads-bigotry-against-autistic-people--and-autistic-people-arent-taking-it-anymore/

The Donk-state establishment and allied media want the RFK Jr. campaign dead in the crib. 

I think RFK Jr. is worth supporting if for no other reason. 

 

[John Cotter]

Anyone who condemns RFK Jr for his stance on vaccines needs to watch this.

https://twitter.com/DireReport/status/1674248850180288518

[Paul Rigby]

For any newcomers to the subject, a short introduction to the evolution of RFK assassination research over the past half-century

The Second Gun by Ted Charach (1973)

 

Theodore Charack : R.F.K. and the second gun (KPFK, 2 April 1975):

 

Firing Line with William F. Buckley Jr.: Who Killed Bobby Kennedy? with Allard K. Lowenstein (April 1975)

 

The Second Dallas by Massimo Mazzucco (2018)

 

Lisa Pease – Truth Behind RFK assassination (RFK assassination interviews #3, 2022)

Pease's A Lie Too Big To Fail deserves a first-rate documentary

 

 

[W. Niederhut]

14 hours ago, David Andrews said:

We'd call this unusual if it weren't so...usual.  Salon.com has been running, almost exclusively, features on how RFK, Jr., is "bad for democracy."  Usually re: the anti-vaxx theme.

Here's the latest:

https://www.salon.com/2023/06/30/rfk-jr-spreads-bigotry-against-autistic-people--and-autistic-people-arent-taking-it-anymore/

Ruh roh, David... are David Talbot and the Salon.com people now also working for CIA Operation Mockingbird, along with Russ Baker, Naomi Klein, and the progressive Democrats* at Common Dreams?

What's the world coming to?

Meanwhile, it looks like Ben Cole posted so much MAGA spam here during the past 12 hours that no one noticed or commented on my post about RFK, Jr. refusing to criticize Donald Trump, or to support the 2024 Democrat nominee for the Presidency!!!

Do Ben Cole and the MAGAs around here not realize that Donald Trump's SCOTUS appointees have now abolished Roe v. Wade and affirmative action, along with Biden's student debt relief order?

(Republican/Koch SCOTUS judges already succeeded in wiping out a century of campaign finance reforms with the Citizens United ruling, and blocking enforcement of the Voting Rights Act with Shelby v. Holder.)

Why would RFK, Jr. refuse to criticize the Orange Grifter, or endorse the Democratic alternative to a right wing, plutocratic Republican SCOTUS?

*  Opinion | Murdoch's Fox News Embraces Right-Wing Benefits of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. | Common Dreams

Edited July 1, 2023 by W. Niederhut

[Benjamin Cole]

6 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

Ruh roh, David... are David Talbot and the Salon.com people now also working for CIA Operation Mockingbird, along with Russ Baker, Naomi Klein, and the progressive Democrats* at Common Dreams?

What's the world coming to?

Meanwhile, it looks like Ben Cole posted so much MAGA spam here during the past 12 hours that no one noticed or commented on my post about RFK, Jr. refusing to criticize Donald Trump, or to support the 2024 Democrat nominee for the Presidency!!!

Do Ben Cole and the MAGAs around here not realize that Donald Trump's SCOTUS appointees have now abolished Roe v. Wade and affirmative action, along Biden's student debt relief order?

(Republican/Koch SCOTUS judges already succeeded in wiping out a century of campaign finance reforms with the Citizens United ruling, and blocking enforcement of the Voting Rights Act with Shelby v. Holder.)

Why would RFK, Jr. refuse to criticize the Orange Grifter, or endorse the Democratic alternative to a right wing, plutocratic Republican SCOTUS?

*  Opinion | Murdoch's Fox News Embraces Right-Wing Benefits of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. | Common Dreams

Maybe RFK Jr realizes what sensible people realize.

Trump is a bonsai tree next to a redwood forest of state globalist fascism, now allied with the Donks and affiliated media. 

You think it was Trump who got the US into endless perma-wars, including Vietnam Afghanistan and Iraq? Maybe $10 trillion there for counter-productive carnage of fellow human beings. 

Did Trump invent Big Pharma? Big defense? Silicon Valley globalism? Wall Street? All now deeply affixed to the Donks? 

The Russiagate hoax is informative. The Jan. 6 scrum reeks of government manipulation. How does anyone explain why the Capitol Police did not show up, and then courteously ushered Mr. Buffalo Horns through the Capitol to the Senate chamber? 

A video we only saw due to Tucker Carlson...a journalist now banished from commercial broadcast.

Then, after the Capitol occupation, the Capitol Police let everyone go, as pointed out by Matt Allison (a fact I could not fathom, and did not believe, until Matt pointed it out). 

You claim 9/11 was a government op.

If that is true, we have problems 1000 times larger than Trump. Trump did 9/11...or the new Donk heroes Cheney and Bush? And if what you say is true, then Obama and Biden must be mute witnesses to the truth about 9/11 and the murder of 3,000 Americans, and the vastly expanded security state that followed.

Obama and Biden as accessories after the 9/11 fact? Inevitably, by your reasoning. 

Your internal logic has blown a fuse. You support Biden and Obama? 

I should vote for Biden? 

When it comes to fascism, militarism and oppression, Trump is a piker compared to the two major parties. 

But you think the threat to America is Trump? And RFK Jr.? Maybe Barney Fife too. 

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RFK Jr. is not perfect, just few miles better than the options. 

We are all MAGAts now. 

 

 

[W. Niederhut]

Huh?  We are all MAGAts now, Ben?  On what strange planet?

Are you suffering from heat stroke on the family farm in Thailand this morning?

Should RFK, Jr. condemn Trump for staging a violent attack on the U.S. Congress in order to remain in power?

For saying, "Take down the magnetometers. They're not here to harm me?"

For inciting white domestic terrorism in the U.S.?

For accepting money and election interference from Putin in 2016?

For denying in Helsinki that Russia had interfered in our 2016 election?

For insulting our EU allies and undermining NATO for Putin?

For taking bribes from the Saudis, in exchange for aiding the genocide in Yemen?

For taking bribes from Sheldon Adelson and Paul Singer, in exchange for moving the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, and abandoning the Palestinians?

For abruptly withdrawing U.S. troops from Afghanistan in January of 2021, against military advice, and precipitating the collapse of the Afghan government and army?

For disastrously mismanaging the COVID pandemic-- causing the preventable deaths of hundreds of thousands of U.S. citizens?

 

Edited July 1, 2023 by W. Niederhut

[Benjamin Cole]

13 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:

Huh?  We are all MAGAts now, Ben?  On what strange planet?

Are you suffering from heat stroke on the family farm in Thailand this morning?

Should RFK, Jr. condemn Trump for staging a violent attack on the U.S. Congress in order to remain in power?

For saying, "Take down the magnetometers. They're not here to harm me?"

For inciting white domestic terrorism in the U.S.?

For accepting money and election interference from Putin in 2016?

For denying in Helsinki that Russia had interfered in our 2016 election?

For insulting our EU allies and undermining NATO for Putin?

For taking bribes from the Saudis, in exchange for aiding the genocide in Yemen?

For taking bribes from Sheldon Adelson and Paul Singer, in exchange for moving the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, and abandoning the Palestinians?

For abruptly withdrawing U.S. troops from Afghanistan in January of 2021, against military advice, and precipitating the collapse of the Afghan government and army?

For disastrously mismanaging the COVID pandemic-- causing the preventable deaths of hundreds of thousands of U.S. citizens?

 

We are all MAGAts now!

Trump is the big threat to America (not an intel state so powerful, no "serious" pol dares defy it). 

RFK Jr. is a threat to democracy (a democracy in which Biden does a snuff job on the JFK Records). 

Be afraid of Mr. Big Bad Orange and his sidekick, RFK Jr.! 

The Batman and Robin of fascism. 

Ignore those guys (including Biden) who got the US into three un-winnable, counterproductive and fantastically expensive wars (Vietnam, Afghani and Iraq) featuring copious human carnage, and who still run US foreign, military and trade policies.

Trump! RFK Jr ! Beware! Be afraid, very very afraid!  

 

 

[W. Niederhut]

Yo, Ben, I left a number of big items off of my list of questions (above.)

Should RFK, Jr. criticize Donald Trump for stacking the SCOTUS with extreme right wing plutocrats who have now overturned Roe v. Wade and affirmative action --after greenlighting unlimited dark money funding of U.S. elections and blocking enforcement of the Voting rights Act?

Should he criticize Trump for organizing slates of false electors in several states after the 2020 election, for the purpose of overturning the U.S. election?

No biggie in your MAGA-verse?