CIA presence on 11/22/63

[Vince Palamara]

 

[James DiEugenio]

So this is a CIA agent at Parkland Hospital while Kennedy is there in the ER?

[Gerry Down]

CIA agent or CIA officer? Agent could just be someone who passes info to CIA occasionally and does the odd errand for them. 

[Vince Palamara]

3 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

So this is a CIA agent at Parkland Hospital while Kennedy is there in the ER?

Correct- as duly noted in my books. Secret Service agent Andy Berger reported it. A CIA agent! From his report in the Warren Commission volumes. I "discovered" this back in 1991. 

[Vince Palamara]

History Matters Archive - Warren Commission Hearings, Volume XVIII, pg (history-matters.com)

[Benjamin Cole]

2 hours ago, Gerry Down said:

CIA agent or CIA officer? Agent could just be someone who passes info to CIA occasionally and does the odd errand for them. 

Good question, but the CIA'er is reported to have shown correct ID. 

That strikes me as ID that a CIA officer would have, not merely a CIA asset or agent. 

You are correct, that the CIA refers to staffers as "officers" and not "agents."

[Vince Palamara]

4 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Good question, but the CIA'er is reported to have shown correct ID. 

That strikes me as ID that a CIA officer would have, not merely a CIA asset or agent. 

You are correct, that the CIA refers to staffers as "officers" and not "agents."

CIA officer, agent, whatever: still very important and extremely overlooked. Not until little old me pointed this out in 1991 (and all my books) did people go "wow" and, even then, so many do not know of this.

[Benjamin Cole]

51 minutes ago, Vince Palamara said:

CIA officer, agent, whatever: still very important and extremely overlooked. Not until little old me pointed this out in 1991 (and all my books) did people go "wow" and, even then, so many do not know of this.

Yes...but did CIA assets have correct CIA officer ID? Or other ID that said "CIA" on it?

I don't know the answer. I am asking.

Of course, back then it was the CIA that printed up CIA and Secret Service credentials, as I recall.  So, I suppose even a CIA asset could be provided official-looking CIA credentials, for a one-day op. 

[Vince Palamara]

54 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Yes...but did CIA assets have correct CIA officer ID? Or other ID that said "CIA" on it?

I don't know the answer. I am asking.

Of course, back then it was the CIA that printed up CIA and Secret Service credentials, as I recall.  So, I suppose even a CIA asset could be provided official-looking CIA credentials, for a one-day op. 

Being a federal law enforcement agent, Andy Berger recognizing a CIA agent's ID and duly noting this in an official report speaks volumes.

This is huge- asset, officer or agent...aren't we splitting hairs here?

[Keven Hofeling]

Something that to me seems relevant to this conversation...

 

HOW THE CIA CIRCUMVENTS THE RESTRICTION AGAINST CIA COVERT ACTIVITIES WITHIN THE UNITED STATES:

The CIA has been known to flagrantly violate the domestic operations restriction and has -- or at the very least in the 1970's 'had' -- a program which entailed the CIA keeping four U.S. criminal defense attorneys on retainer to defend CIA agents and assets who happened to be criminally charged for crimes committed in the context of CIA covert actions undertaken within the United States (covert actions which, of course, are forbidden by the CIA charter). The program was known as "Index Four", and was the means by which the Watergate burglars and mafia chieftains such as Trafficante and Giancana -- who had collaborated with the CIA on its kill Castro operations -- had obtained their legal counsel, and which is how F. Lee Bailey was designated to represent Watergate burglar and CIA agent James McCord and mafia don Santo Trafficante during the period of the Watergate hearings in the early 1970's. Attorney Daniel Sheehan had learned about Index Four (as well as about the "S-Force" that executed President Kennedy [See below]) during a brief period in 1973 when F. Lee Bailey had hired him to assist with the defense of James McCord.

 

I have cued up the video lecture for you to the segment at which Professor Daniel Sheehan describes Index Four at 28:05 via the following link:

 

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RE: THE S-FORCE

 

In 1960, once VP Richard Nixon came to believe he was going to win the presidential election and decided to send a hit squad after Castro, he called upon Howard Hughes on whose behalf Robert Mayheu contacted Johnny Roselli who contacted Santo Trafficante (because Trafficante was the Don over Cuba). Trafficante insisted upon proof that VP Nixon was authorizing it, so Nixon sent the CIA Chief of Security to a meeting with Trafficante and Roselli to confirm. They then assembled a 15-man team made up of anti-Castro Cuban mercenaries, Italian organized crime assassins (who had worked for Trafficante in Cuba), CIA operatives (such as Howard Hunt, Bernard Barker, Frank Sturgis, David Morales, etc.) and special forces operators. This "S-Force" was funded by a skim off Las Vegas casinos, and was trained on U.S. military bases and Clint Murchison's ranch in Mexico to conduct triangulated crossfire ambush assassinations, and they were deployed to conduct such an operation against the President of the United States during the weekend of November 22, 1963. This information is primarily derived from what attorney Daniel Sheehan has divulged about the attorney/client privileged communications between Santo Trafficante and F. Lee Bailey while Bailey was representing them on CIA retainer during the period of the Watergate Hearings. Video is queued to 45:39 where Professor Sheehan describes Santo Trafficante's confidential attorney-client privileged explanation of the relationship between Operation 40 and the "S-Force" which was originally constituted under the auspices of VP Nixon to off Castro, but was instead ultimately deployed to assassinate President Kennedy:

 

 

Also see detailed account of the origins of the S-Force as presented in Daniel Sheehan's autobiography via the following link:

 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/politicalassassinationsresearchgroup/posts/6787297377992940/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 7 by Keven Hofeling

[Ron Bulman]

1 hour ago, Vince Palamara said:

Being a federal law enforcement agent, Andy Berger recognizing a CIA agent's ID and duly noting this in an official report speaks volumes.

This is huge- asset, officer or agent...aren't we splitting hairs here?

Yes Vince.  I'm one of the one's who never noticed.  It is very important.  A CIA Officer or Agent at Parkland to me means the possibility that they knew in advance what would (hopefully for them) happen, and, they had an agent in place to immediately confirm the success of the operation to Helms, Dulles at the Farm (per Talbot).

[Benjamin Cole]

3 hours ago, Vince Palamara said:

Being a federal law enforcement agent, Andy Berger recognizing a CIA agent's ID and duly noting this in an official report speaks volumes.

This is huge- asset, officer or agent...aren't we splitting hairs here?

Well...not sure. 

For some reason, an actual CIA officer strikes me as more serious than one of several thousand assets (or even more) the CIA had in the US at the time (due to the Cuba situation). Assets were a dime a dozen. 

 

 

 

 

[Gerry Down]

It's a good find Vince but I don't think it's as significant as one might at first think.

The CIA had a field office in Dallas. Is it really that unusual that upon hearing there had been an assassination attempt some CIA officer from that office went to Parkland to get info on the situation in order to inform HQ of what was going on? 

James Powell did something similar. He briefly interviewed a few people in Dealey Plaza in order to find out for his superiors, army intelligence, what was going on.

If there was some type of conspiracy or invasion of the U.S. about to take place, the CIA and army intelligence would want some info on it as quickly as possible.

[Benjamin Cole]

40 minutes ago, Gerry Down said:

It's a good find Vince but I don't think it's as significant as one might at first think.

The CIA had a field office in Dallas. Is it really that unusual that upon hearing there had been an assassination attempt some CIA officer from that office went to Parkland to get info on the situation in order to inform HQ of what was going on? 

James Powell did something similar. He briefly interviewed a few people in Dealey Plaza in order to find out for his superiors, army intelligence, what was going on.

If there was some type of conspiracy or invasion of the U.S. about to take place, the CIA and army intelligence would want some info on it as quickly as possible.

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10124-10247.pdf

This is the CIA version of J. Walton Moore, the Dallas CIA guy. 

I do not know where was Moore on 11/22. Does anyone? 

[Gerry Down]

19 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10124-10247.pdf

This is the CIA version of J. Walton Moore, the Dallas CIA guy. 

I do not know where was Moore on 11/22. Does anyone? 

Thanks for that link.

I wonder what were the names of the other CIA officers in the Dallas field office.

Edited January 7 by Gerry Down