James DiEugenio Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 (edited) I am familiar with the whole October Surprise occurrence and have read more than one book on it. And am familiar with Trento. But the more I read about Riconosciuto, the more I see that the film cut out his credibility problems. And it looks like Danny fell for him. Which makes the scene about the fake Z film very appropriate. Edited March 11 by James DiEugenio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 I have decided to do a long two parter at my sub stack on this because I think a really analytical approach is lacking. But it is what is needed here. The film glances over some key evidentiary points. Like Hugh Thompson was a serial killer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 When Casolaro dies like that it’s not enough to say that he was led to committing suicide by believing in stories told by hucksters. Maybe Riconosciuto is a huckster, but that proves nothing in regards to Danny Casolaro’s death. I hope Jim, in reviewing this, comes to the conclusion that the documentary didn’t dig deep enough, and questions the hucksters motives, rather than his supposed affect on Danny. The big story is the Octopus. It’s a great representation of what we have been facing for decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Allison Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 For those interested in a genuinely suspicious death, I suggest this one, which occurred a couple days ago: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-68534703 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Burrows Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 (edited) An interesting review of the series- https://www.thewrap.com/american-conspiracy-the-octopus-murders-interview-director-netflix/ Edited March 12 by Robert Burrows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) 8 hours ago, Paul Brancato said: When Casolaro dies like that it’s not enough to say that he was led to committing suicide by believing in stories told by hucksters. Maybe Riconosciuto is a huckster, but that proves nothing in regards to Danny Casolaro’s death. I hope Jim, in reviewing this, comes to the conclusion that the documentary didn’t dig deep enough, and questions the hucksters motives, rather than his supposed affect on Danny. The big story is the Octopus. It’s a great representation of what we have been facing for decades. If one wanted a warts-and-all analog to Joe Frady, protagonist of The Parallax View... But let's see what Jim D researches. And, I agree - someone got too close to the network and paid for it. It's obvious Riconsciuto spread disinfo...but why did someone have to die if it was a pack of lies? Edited March 12 by David Andrews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Gram Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 10 hours ago, Matt Allison said: For those interested in a genuinely suspicious death, I suggest this one, which occurred a couple days ago: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-68534703 At the time of his death, Mr Barnett had been in Charleston for legal interviews linked to that case. Last week, he gave a formal deposition in which he was questioned by Boeing's lawyers, before being cross-examined by his own counsel. He had been due to undergo further questioning on Saturday. When he did not appear, enquiries were made at his hotel. He was subsequently found dead in his truck in the hotel car park. Yikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Green Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 I've now watched all four parts and have to say it is a brilliantly crafted documentary series. The director is very objective in his approach and maintains a healthily sceptical eye throughout. It is left to the viewer to decide what may or may not have happened and I must admit I came away from it with an open mind. There's a whole lot of intrigue and so many layers and threads to untangle and although some may come away from it feeling frustrated I think that's fine and sort of reflects the frustration felt by Christian Hansen. And yes, it is a bit weird how much Hansen physically resembles Casolaro. I guess that's just a reminder that people look like other people and coincidences DO happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) Speaking of the money laundering front of the dinky, junky little Casino built way out in the boondocks of that isolated ugly terrain Indian reservation land and with what...only 24 tribal people living on it? ... I've read a little about the genesis of the prolific movement of gaming casinos popping up on native American sovereign land all over the country starting decades ago. Many have turned into absolute gold mines for the tribes people living on those lands. Not all have. And gold mines for the real power non-native American groups and people behind them. It was my understanding that the owners of Nevada based casinos that were devastated by the proliferation of easy short travel access ones instantly co-partnered with these tribes and basically took over their operations from start to finish. I once went to Reno well after the shift to Indian land casinos. I was shocked! Seemed like the old casino's I remember going to back in the 70's there were almost totally void of customers. Ghost caverns. The Hyatt ( which was packed 7 days a week in the 1970s ) had just a few card tables going and maybe a dozen players? The slot areas were completely devoid of any customers! The parking lots and streets were so empty of cars it looked like an apocalyptic event had occurred with tumble weeds blowing down the street? I didn't realize how effecting the Indian Casino movement was to the old Reno gaming establishment until that day. My point being this other aspect however. Organized crime was always a part of the Nevada gambling industry...always. Even after the so-called change of ownership cleaning up era after Howard Hughes. These people didn't just watch the Native American casino movement happen without jumping into it themselves. Their role and influence in so many of these casino's was immediate and significant. I believe it still is. That weird, dumpy little card room casino in the Danny Casolaro documentary was never meant to make money. It never did according to it's security crew who were murdered after trying to get the authorities involved. It was a money laundering scheme from the get go. The story of the main characters behind the Indian reservation take over here sounds typical of the possible corrupt aspects of our world of covert ops which when left alone unto themselves outside of constitutional law restraints and oversights can get abusively out-of-control. How long and deep and high up has this outlaw covert corruption gone on in this country? Well, Watergate and the Daniel Berrigan break-ins ops ( and so many others ) by Nixon's private law breaking criminal gang "The Plumbers" went all the way to the top of the White House chain of command back in the early 70's. The story of deep covert connections corruption in this documentary seems all too true. It's a serious wake up/warning piece imo. Not to be downplayed and forgotten. Edited March 20 by Joe Bauer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Burrows Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 36 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said: Speaking of the money laundering front of the dinky, junky little Casino built way out in the boondocks of that isolated ugly terrain Indian reservation land and with what...only 24 tribal people living on it: I've read a little about the genesis of the huge prolific movement of gaming casinos popping up on native American sovereign land all over the country starting decades ago. Many have turned into absolute gold mines for the tribes people living on those lands. Not all have. And gold mines for the real power non-native American groups and people behind them. It was my understanding that the owners of Nevada based casinos that were devastated by the proliferation of easy short travel access ones instantly co-partnered with these tribes and basically took over their operations from start to finish. I once went to Reno well after the shift to Indian land casinos. I was shocked! 90% of the old casino's I remember there going to back in the 70's were almost totally empty of customers. Ghost caverns. The Hyatt ( which was packed 7 days a week in the 1970s ) had just a few card tables going and maybe a dozen players? The slot areas were completely devoid of any customers! The streets were so empty of cars it looked like an apocalyptic event had occurred. With tumble weeds blowing down the street. I didn't realize how effecting the Indian Casino movement was to the old Reno gaming establishment until that day. My point being this other aspect however. Organized crime was always a part of the Nevada gambling industry...always. Even after the so-called change of ownership cleaning up era after Howard Hughes. These people didn't just watch the Native American casino movement happen without jumping into it themselves. Their role and influence in so many of these casino's was immediate and significant. I believe it still is. That weird, dumpy little card room casino in the Danny Casolaro documentary was never meant to make money. It never did according to it's security crew who were murdered after trying to get the authorities involved. It was a money laundering scheme from the get go. The story of the main characters behind the Indian reservation take over is one of the most scary reality one's ever exposed that highlighted just some of the most evil corrupt aspects of our world of covert ops when left alone unto themselves regards a break down in outside constitutional law restraints. How long and deep and high up has this outlaw covert corruption gone on in this country? Well, Watergate and the Daniel Barrigan break-ins ops by Nixon's private law breaking criminal gang "The Plumbers" went all the way to the top of the White House chain of command back in the early 70's. The story of deep connections corruption in this documentary seems all too true and suggestive of even higher up corruption. It's a serious wake up/warning piece imo. Not to be downplayed and forgotten. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 One thing I learned is that INSLAW did break its contract with the DOJ about advanced payments on PROMIS. And that is nowhere to be seen, at least I did not see it, in four hours. And they did it in two ways. The owner of the company who is in breach is not always the most objective commentator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 In reading further, INSLAW was in breach in three ways, not two. So this makes it much less of a black hat/white hat 1950's Western than the film makes it out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) I am writing about this on my Substack site, which is still free. I have two parts up and it will probably end up being four. So far, I have some serious problems with this series. I read about 500 pages of material, and these guys were really selective. Here is Part One. https://substack.com/home/post/p-142675193?source=queue Edited March 20 by James DiEugenio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) Here is part 2. If you can find a worse witness than Michael Riconosciuto--maybe Howard Brennan--let me know. https://substack.com/home/post/p-142740010?source=queue Edited March 20 by James DiEugenio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis Morissette Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 The Z film part is ridiculous. Once again, CTers are trying to cover up the truth in the JFK assassination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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