Nick Bartetzko

JB I started listening to it during my response to you. I have never seen that tape mentioned before. As a kid in the 60s, I had access to tape recorders on occasion and the quality, tone, static, background comments and brief interruptions on this tape are intriguing and point much more imo to authenticity than contrived fraud. There are a number of names mentioned and I imagine some of them can be xreferenced as to some historical accuracy.

Jim, I did a search and came up empty. Would you be able to provide a link?

Joe, Just a bit of tongue in cheek in a forum wherein things sometimes get a bit heated. Been studying the JFKA since 1968 and am very familiar with David Ferrie. My impression of Ferrie has been that he was very intelligent.

Can't be Ferrie as he doesn't sound like Joe Pesci .... Another interesting find, Vince

I was going to mention this video in a response to Jim's recent thread, but didn't get around to it. I saw it a few days ago. There is mention of a .45 hitting the fender on a policeman's motorcycle and there's also an interesting reference to the Harlandale house. The motorcycle officer was the uncle of a Mike Nally who was in Dealey Plaza with his friend Charles Rogers. Refer to the video starting at 13:00. Per Meeks, the informant for the pre assassination activity was Buddy Walthers mother in law, Lillian Robinson, who lived at 3130 Harlandale.

I did a quick search on the motorcycle fender strike allegation and came up empty. I read about it only once and the likely source would be either Walt Brown's journal or The Third/Fourth Decade publication from Jerry Rose many years ago. As to the location of the bullet strike near the limousine, the questioning of Virgie Rachley/Baker was very poor in trying to determine the exact area. Here is Royce Skelton's same day account. I wasn't aware he said 2 shots hit the street. https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth339349/

Jim, Most of the Rambler witnesses I'm familiar with, but I was unaware that Helen Forrest claimed to have seen this as well. Kurtz also says that Forrest told him she saw a gunman on the TSBD second floor. I'm not impressed by Mr Kurtz research and lack of detailed information. I have also found the Hartmanns account interesting. If there were two GK shots, this would conflict with the acoustics evidence. It's been a theory of mine that the one ...or two...shots from the GK could have been part of the false flag operation, if it indeed existed. Same for the 6th floor location. As to missed shots pertaining to or near the street, there is the Teague fragment, the Foster report on the manhole cover, the shot behind the limousine that 5 or 6 witnesses saw and a report by a motorcycle patrolman that either a bullet fragment or street richocet struck his fender. I'm admittedly very vague on the last one, but I'm sure I read about it many years ago. If there was a south knoll shot, and it went thru the windshield and missed, could this have been the same shot that the 5-6 witnesses saw and the patrolman as well? I believe it's possible.

Yes, I think it’s quite possible. Whether that occurred in this instance isn’t clear, but it’s sad to read what went on that night. Here’s a report of contact with a Janie B. Taylor in 1995. https://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/pdf/md45.pdf

Weisberg also concluded the shirt damage was caused by a scalpel and that the neck wound was one of entry with a corresponding ring of bruising as told to Weisberg by Dr Perry. These issues are discussed in Weisberg’s book Post Mortem.

Well, I respect your opinion on this. We just disagree… But I don’t know what other information you would want. There is consensus as to a very neat rather than ragged wound, it was described by virtually everyone as being 3-5mm, it had the ring of bruising characteristic as described by the doctor who observed it very closely and did the tracheostomy and finally, to my best recollection, the Getty photo of the shirt clearly shows the damage to the back of the shirt being lower than to the front of the shirt. This is about as close to 100% as I can get.

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Those two wounds are certainly a great mystery among the many in the JFKA. Documents allege the back wound left metallic residue on the jacket (and maybe the shirt) but no metallic residue was found on the front of the shirt or the tie. Weisberg conjectured that damage was caused by a nurse cutting the shirt and tie to get the clothing off. Years ago on this forum Gerry Hemming said the back wound was a “meat shot” and was designed to be a low powered …short charge… round so the bullet would be found and tied to a rifle. With Hemming, it was hard sometimes to separate fact from fiction. If that is true, then it might have been CE 399, or the pointed bullet that Poole and Tomlinson described or the bullet found in car in the early hours of the morning as requested by the other White House physician (not Dr Burkley). So I think the back bullet was metal, but not the neck projectile was not. If someone here had the time and ability, they could analyze the entrance point of the neck wound and where that air bubble is located, determine if one was above or below the other, and possibly reverse engineer where that shot came from. As to it originating from the umbrella man, I have no idea but I would think it certainly originated from the right side where he was located.

Thanks for posting. It’s been a long time since I had read it. I don’t dispute at all how serious the injuries were, rather just what Lifton had mentioned about Perry’s alleged comments and Dr Rose as well.

As to the injury to Oswald, a couple of things come to mind… wasn’t Perry surprised by his death and thought they had repaired all the damage and that he was stable post op? Also, there is Lifton’s claim about the intentional injection of air into the IV and the reference to coroner Earl Rose and that discussion. Is there some definitive information that Lifton’s hard drive is definitely recoverable and his work will be produced at some point? I stopped buying JFKA books years ago, but I’d buy this one.

If it takes some money to hire a top notch expert to recover the data, pls count me in to contribute. The material is far too valuable to lose due to inaction or lack of funds…

I met David once when he was giving a presentation at a college in so. California in 1988 iirc. I was very much looking forward to Final Charade and hope the contents are released in some form in the near future.

Thank you for posting that excellent article. I had no idea that Faye Weaver’s name had been revealed. Over 20 years ago, I contacted Dale Fore to get a copy of a photograph of Capehart that he had in the office, but couldn’t locate. I never heard back from him. He told me I was the second individual to call him about the photograph. I have never seen the photos that were published in that local paper that caused Capehart to panic. If anyone has copies or a link, I’d really appreciate that information. I’ve always been fascinated by the Capehart story. It’s as interesting to me as the story of Richard Case Nagell.

Ben, I’ve likely read your post. There’s so much to assimilate and sadly, I don’t have total recall. I’m up in the air on the JBC sequence. He seems to have been struck close to JFKs back wound. It appears he’s still gripping his hat and the wrist wound probably occurred later, maybe at Z295 as you say. There was a video of a presentation made some years ago…2013?… that shows an isolated side by side frame comparison of JFK and JBC reacting at Z328 I believe. The video was persuasive, but I’ve only seen it once.

No, not missing anything. I noted the significance of it. I simply meant it was interesting to see an article on the same page on the Bobby Baker scandal which likely would have kept LBJ off the ticket in ‘64.

Well, speaking of strange, the 2nd floor etc. We have the tale of Helen Forrest who claims to have seen a man with a rifle on the 2nd floor. That information is per historian Michael Kurtz. There are no details really on who Helen Forrest is and I think little of Mr Kurtz work based on other alleged interviews he claims to have conducted. More interesting, though, is the tale of one Claude Capehart of Glomar Explorer fame. It seems his girlfriend recognized his photo during the HSCA time and he supposedly admitted he was in the TSBD at the time. Judge David Minier and Deputy Dale Fore were on the way to visit with him when he had a fatal heart attack in about 1989. This subject has been covered here a bit and there are newspaper articles from papers in the Fresno California area If I recall correctly. Too bad there isn’t much information on the building tenants. But it’s understandable as the emphasis was pinning this on Ozzie.

How interesting to see the article about Robert G. Baker….

It’s quite the magic bullet that pushes Kennedy forward and Connolly downward. Is there not a Getty photo of the shirt showing the frontal shirt damage higher than the rear damage? Those in attendance at Parkland described the throat wound as one of entry and Perry told Weisberg he wiped the blood away and it had a “ring of bruising”. As Posner would say…”Case Closed”. We also have a reference by Nellie Connelly that she felt her husband was struck twice. That information was via a link on a post here recently .

Thanks, that’s what I thought. It remains an intriguing possibility…