Pete Mellor

Is it rolling Bob? According to senior staff officers from the Minsk KGB Counterintelligence School & Department 1 of the 2nd Chief Directorate H.Q., ex-marine Lee Harvey Oswald was an agent of the KGB, and was one before he met his future wife, Marina. The Minsk Ukrainian KGB had recruited Marina as a 'swallow' (Soviet female prostitute) for use in sexual entrapment operations. Marina was directed against Oswald, who fell in love with her, when he was living in Minsk. (CIA Counterintelligence Information Report. RIF: 104-10014-10056.)

Ron, Newman's latest works were sketched out to be a 4 Vol. set. 'Armageddon' was to be Vol. IV, but because of some mind blowing research, J.N. has inserted 'Exposing Popov's Mole' as Vol. IV and re-scheduled 'Armageddon' to Vol. V. To be honest, I've found the series a slow boiler with Vols. I, II & III. I reckon anyone partially conversant with JFKA can dive into Vol. IV easily. I've been putting together a Powerpoint & MS Word presentation on Angleton for a DPUK seminar in June & discovered that now, much that I have written from Weiner, Mangold & Morley has to be altered, or, completely re-written. That's a game changer!

Yes, Ron most intriguing. I am reading Newman's 'Uncovering Popov's Mole' and finding it another 'game changer'. If readers have not got this edition (not really necessary to have Vols. I, II and III) it is a must read! The work of Newman, with Uncle Malcolm & the late Pete Bagley, explains so much. Angleton's paranoia of a mole high up in CIA is confirmed and exposed. Also, new revelations of LHO in Minsk and confirmation that Marina was a KGB 'swallow'. Nosenko was provocation and so much more. Don't want to give too much of the game away, but I strongly recommend study of this publication to everyone who has not caught up with this.

Gerry, The MUST read on this is Newman's 'Uncovering Popov's Mole'. It explains EVERYTHING.

Yes Michael, that's the pic in 'Nightmare in Dallas'.

🤣Absolutely Bob! The whole scenario is a comedy routine! Also include the ridiculous paper bag sketch. Lee manages to extract a roll of paper from the wrapping station in the Depository without Dougherty seeing him do it, and Dougherty known to never leave his workplace. So, does Lee stuff this crinkly paper up his shirt when getting driven over to Irving by Frazier on Thursday? "What's that crunchy sound under your shirt Lee?" Yet Lee manages to conceal and then design and put together this creased and crumpled paper into a smooth pristine bag in the Paine garage in the evening without notice of Marina and Ruth. Not just the paper, but tape as well. But NO! The tape used from the Depository meant that Lee must have constructed the bag on the premises, sometime on Thursday, again without being seen. CE142 shows no oil or indication of heavy metal objects having been contained within. Nor is it daubed with Lee's finger dabs all over it. Nor is it initially spotted around the 'sniper's nest' by DPD and Sheriff Dept., searchers. Cue the Monty Python music.

D.P.U.K. were given Janet Groden's e-mail address to request purchase of 'Absolute Proof' here:- janetclair29@gmail.com

Just posted on D.P.U.K.'s You Tube channel here:-

Yes Michael, all this is contained in 'Nightmare in Dallas' and a photograph of Beverley & Larry Ronco too. I have met & talked with Beverley for around an hour some years back. My impression was she was sincere and truthful, going off body language. Having said that, I would want to get Ronco to confirm. Even then, at the end of the day, the alleged film is gone, so my take on this has always been that the whole story is another rabbit hole even if we believe Bev, or we don't.

October '62 David. Yes, I'm sure LeMay was of the opinion that the missiles in Cuba should have been taken out by U.S.A.F. I believe initially that was also the opinion of RFK too. But, evidence for LeMay attempting to organise a coup against JFK with the JCS is proving elusive. Just short of my tenth birthday, over here in England, I was scared too!

OK Michael, that's interesting.

Certainly agree Paul, I think JFK was more wary of CIA as well as JCS, and as Douglass documents, he was also avoiding his State Department. I think he was like Custer at Little Big Horn. Surrounded. In case you missed my 'edit' to above post from 'Mission with LeMay' :- "It shall suffice to say that I did not hold many of the same views held by Secretary McNamara with regard to our military posture, and do not agree with many of the acts or attitudes of the Administration. In the Pentagon I carried out every order issued to me to the best of my ability. There never occurred an instance in which I rebelled. I am a professional soldier and airman, and professional soldiers and airmen obey orders. At the same time, there was another obligation inherent in the job. It was required that I give my candid opinion to the Congress when asked to do so. This I did. I gave my candid opinion to the Secretary of Defense, or to the President himself-all three Presidents under whom I served during those years. Any time they asked me for a straight answer, they got it. Sometimes my answers did not happen to coincide with the opinions held by the Administration. Often, in such cases, various writers who turned out to be foes of the Air Force, or personal detractors of LeMay, would contrive many paragraphs in which I was accused of bearding Mr McNamara in his lair, or going all-out to scuttle the White House policies in order to achieve, perhaps, personal vainglory; or even to put myself into candidacy as a future military dictator. The military will never take over the Government in the United States. Civilian control is part and parcel of our Democratic system."

Indeed. I question how Beverley, a nightclub singer at the time, got hold of a prototype Yashica Super 8 movie camera. All unexplained. Maybe I should have asked her when we met in 2013. I do have a photograph of Beverley giving me a hug and kiss at the Lancer conference in Dallas. 😃

To complete my odyssey in pursuit of author Tom O'Neill's profound quote, in above post, that appears in his book 'Chaos'. Just a couple of weeks after I posted above, Mr O'Neill did reply & advised I get hold of 'Mission With LeMay' (1965) by LeMay & MacKinlay Kantor. After waiting a few weeks for delivery from the States, I have finally completed ALL of O'Neill's references to the 'Coup' passage. Nowhere in any of the three books, i.e. 'In a Time of Torment' by I.F. Stone. 'LeMay: The Life & Wars of General Curtis LeMay' by Warren Kozak. 'Mission with LeMay: My Story' by Curtis LeMay & MacKinlay Kantor, is there anything resembling organising a coup against Kennedy among the Joint Chiefs of Staff etc. P553 in 'Mission with LeMay actually states:- "It shall suffice to say that I did not hold many of the same views held by Secretary McNamara with regard to our military posture, and do not agree with many of the acts or attitudes of the Administration. In the Pentagon I carried out every order issued to me to the best of my ability. There never occurred an instance in which I rebelled. I am a professional soldier and airman, and professional soldiers and airmen obey orders. At the same time, there was another obligation inherent in the job. It was required that I give my candid opinion to the Congress when asked to do so. This I did. I gave my candid opinion to the Secretary of Defense, or to the President himself-all three Presidents under whom I served during those years. Any time they asked me for a straight answer, they got it. Sometimes my answers did not happen to coincide with the opinions held by the Administration. Often, in such cases, various writers who turned out to be foes of the Air Force, or personal detractors of LeMay, would contrive many paragraphs in which I was accused of bearding Mr McNamara in his lair, or going all-out to scuttle the White House policies in order to achieve, perhaps, personal vainglory; or even to put myself into candidacy as a future military dictator. The military will never take over the Government in the United States. Civilian control is part and parcel of our Democratic system." Just goes to show that not only can you not believe everything you read in the papers, but books as well.

FWIW Groden says he interviewed Marina and she stated that the photographs she took of Lee in the backyard were taken in the opposite direction to the extant pictures in evidence!

Jonathan, I never post on "Zapruder film is fake" threads, although I do read. I'm no film tech. But, yes, there are a number of topics from Groden's Zoom presentation that I thought may provoke a response from researchers.

K.K., Always a pleasure to update the Forum on what's happening in U.K. I wasn't able to Zoom in on the original meet due to having a ticket for a Manchester United game. So after my catch-up on You Tube there were a number of points that I thought researchers on this Forum may comment on. The Spainhouer film along with daughter Chana's input a case in point. Personally, I have never come across any serious discussion of this film. Groden infers Spainhouer's position somewhere in the vicinity of the 'supposed Badgeman', he also infers the use of a heavy tripod. The evidence is zilch. No pictures or statements from witnesses to seeing anyone who could fit. Unless all these figures disappeared into vehicle trunks in the GN parking area. I also had never heard of Oswald's Parkland operating room being recorded on film.

The Zoom session with Robert & Janet Groden with Dealey Plaza U.K. from March 25th '23, is now available on D.P.U.K.'s You Tube channel here:- The session is almost three and a half hours long, but covers Zapruder film and information on 'the other Zapruder film i.e.Spainhouer film + Oliver, Nix, Muchmore, L.H.O. Exhumation film, Pitzer, Arnold, L.H.O. in Parkland operating room and Similas photo. Slow at times, but scanning fwd to get to the meaty bits helps.

I have this on order Jim. I assume you have read this. In many previous publications i.e. Morley, Mangold, Weiner etc., all state that Angleton's mole hunt was fruitless. Veteran Case Officer George Kisevalter said, "Had there been a real 'Sasha', he could not have done as much damage to the clandestine services group as this phantom 'Sasha'." Also, three subsequent reviews by senior CIA officers reached the same conclusion. So too did Cleveland Cram, the senior officer who wrote a still classified multi-volume study of Angleton's operations. (The Ghost-Jefferson Morley) Reading Amazon's review:-However, Newman's work makes clear how the mole in the Security Office defected attention from himself by convincing the chief of CIA counterintelligence, James Angleton, that Oswald could be used as bait to find the mole working in CIA's Soviet Russia Division. Furthermore, Uncovering Popov's Mole shows how Angleton unknowingly provided all of the Agency's sensitive secrets to the mole in the Office of Security--as he had previously to Kim Philby. So, John Newman, it appears, has stunning new evidence that Angleton's long held belief in a mole high in CIA was legit. I have heard Malcolm Blunt speak of Bruce Solie being a suspect. Is this who Newman fingers in the book? Or do I have to wait for the Amazon delivery?

Yet another interesting line of investigation Greg! As per the Crafard threads.

Agree. JFKA can really be a can of worms! Suggest having a read of this:- State Secret Chapter1 (maryferrell.org):-by Bill Simpich. It covers the Marina/Webster link.

Gil, Wilcott & his wife Elsie were indeed CIA employees stationed in Tokyo. I do believe that there was much talk there, immediately at the time of the assassination of Oswald being 'sent to Russia' by the agency. Elsie was just a secretary at the Tokyo station, but she heard similar talk. James Douglass covers them in 'JFK & the Unspeakable'. The section on Oswald being debriefed back in Japan is completely new to me and not sure what to make of that. (Hearsay evidence.) As is his statement 'CIA as thick as thieves with DPD'. I don't put a great deal of weight on a paymaster's second hand talk information. Pinch of salt required here I think. Yet, I'm certain that James Wilcott & Elsie were sincere in their reporting.

Gerry, Dealey Plaza U.K. were holding a discussion some time back to suggest who we should get hold of for a Zoom session. My input was that the single most interesting person to question in the whole JFKA case would be Marina. Alas, not much chance of that coming off! So many questions, of her time in USSR alone, would be fascinating to know answers. Sadly, it's late in the day. Her health is poor. I reckon all these mysteries will remain. As for Webster, I don't see any reason for him to invent this claim. Also, she is supposed to have had Webster's Leningrad address in her notebook.

That's Pinky Westbrook Ron.

In 1963 Tracy Barnes was head of CIA's Domestic Operations Division. Alan Kent writes an interesting Essay, A Well Concealed 'T', in Albarelli and Leslie Sharp's 'Coup In Dallas' that examines the possibility that the 'T' regularly referred to in Pierre Lafitte's diary may likely be D.O.D.'s Tracy Barnes, who worked closely with James Angleton at Langley. Angleton strongly suspected by many to be the 'general manager' of the Dallas plot.