Was Lansdale in Dealey Plaza?

[Ron Ecker]

FWIW there are several photos of Maxwell Taylor wearing glasses, including this one from 1966. (And there's that big ring on his left hand.):

 

Edited August 25, 2017 by Ron Ecker

[Roger DeLaria]

I've never seen a photo of Lansdale wearing glasses, but that doesn't really mean anything. Could be a little obfuscatory/disguising accessory.

 

 

[David Andrews]

I can't swear that it's Lansdale in Dealey, but that has never looked like Maxwell Taylor from the back to me.  No offense to any other opinion.

What we need is some good Max-Taylor-from-behind photos.  There has got to be a 3/4-shot among press photos somewhere.

Max Taylor seems to have been a little shorter than Kennedy,  Allen Dulles was about the same height as Kennedy, and looks perhaps four inches taller when photographed beside Lansdale, who was apparently not as tall as that long head makes one imagine he is.

"Lansdale" in Dealey Plaza is a few inches shorter than Tall Tramp, especially if TT had lifted his head for the photo.  Where does that leave us?

P. S. - Lansdale's famously "deformed" left hand can be seen in a photo on the page linked to below.  Depending on which Windows version you have, you may need to do some mouse-clicking to see the whole large image, which is a film frame grab:

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?topic=12412.0

A thought: Fletcher Prouty may have been very used to sitting at a desk and watching Lansdale exit a room.

Edited August 26, 2017 by David Andrews

[Ron Bulman]

What other poster claims Lansdale stayed in Fort Worth on the night of 11/21/63.  Is there documentation of this?

[Michael Clark]

I have to say that our Dealy Plaza fellow that is thought to be Landsdale, has a tall, thin head. Landsdale has a stocky head.

To be sure, whoever he is, walking, slipping himself, in between that situation and the gate, is a person of paramount interest. 

I find the Krulak and Prouty identification to be nearly impeachable.

I just think Landsdale has a a more- squarish head. To be sure, I am not your photo-analysis guy.

[Joe Bauer]

M. Clark, thanks for pitching in.

However I respectfully disagree with your "stocky head" Lansdale description versus a taller thinner "rectangular shaped" head.

Looking at the Lansdale photo in the original post, Lansdale's head definitely looks to me to be more long and narrow versus wider and "stocky."

And the forehead height in the Tramp Walk photo to me matches the height size of Lansdale's forehead in the Prouty video interview photo.

It is a very high and flat forehead. That is a somewhat unique feature IMO.  I don't see foreheads that high generally.

I also feel that the DP /Tramp Walk man is just about the same height as the tall tramp. Perhaps the tall tramp "may" be 1 inch taller if he raised his head, but their shoulders seem to match up in height fairly well.

How tall was the tall tramp?

How tall was Lansdale exactly?  

Taylor seems clearly shorter than these two men and slightly stockier than the DP  tramp walk man.

JFK was 6 ft.1 inch as I recall.  Allan Dulles was taller than JFK, perhaps by one to one half inch. LBJ was 6 ft. 4 in.

Then there is that clearly obvious "stoop" walking posture of the man in the DP photo. I wonder if Prouty mentioned this?

Did Maxwell have a stooped posture when he walked? 

I did see in another post in this thread the statement that Lansdale was checked into the same hotel in Fort Worth that JFK was.

Don't recognize the poster. I'll go back and if he is still a member of the forum I'll ask where he got that info from.

The glasses? Yes, perhaps these were part of a flimsy disguise? Perhaps they weren't. 

Maxwell and Lansdale did wear a ring on the same finger on the same hand, however my eyes don't see a "gem stone" on the Dealey Plaza tramp walk man's left hand ring versus the ring on Maxwell Taylor's left hand ring finger in the photo Ron Ecker posts which does show a gem stone.

I wonder if a few "true experts" in photo identification analysis were to look at many Lansdale photos and then compare them to the Tramp Walk/ Dealey Plaza photo, what they would conclude?

 

 

Edited March 27, 2020 by Joe Bauer

[Joe Bauer]

On 8/1/2010 at 10:43 PM, William Kelly said:

Rather than base judgement on the poor quality photo and untenable identification by suspects (Krulak), why not check Lansdale's papers and personal records and find out where he was and what he was doing on 11/22/63.

I remember talking with John Newman, who was once considering writing a bio of Lansdale, and he said he only did some preliminary research, but learned that Lansdale was registered at the same hotel JFK stayed at Ft. Worth, which if true, and can be authenticated, at least puts him in the ball park during the game.

LeMay, while he was temporarily chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff while Taylor was in Vietnam, had assigned Krulak responsibility for the US military support to JMWAVE maritime operations, so he was the boss of Brad Ayers, transfterred from Ranger training to JMWAVE, and for US Navy air support for the CIA mothership Rex and their officially approved attacks against Cuba from the USA.

So Krulak might have known more about the JMWAVE and Dealey Plaza operation than Lansdale.

BK

Here is the post mentioning "Lansdale was registered at the same hotel JFK stayed at Fort Worth."

[Joe Bauer]

11 hours ago, Michael Walton said:

This is the most I'll do - made this in April 2016. It's an animated GIF that loops and the file size is a little large so let it load. It doesn't prove anything except it shows the guy people think is Lansdale is wearing glasses:

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7Hr9Lrku-Cxczd5THIwOEpiY2c/view?usp=sharing

Great photo work Michael.  Thank you.

I once again noticed that the tall tramp and the smaller tramp "Frenchie" are as clean shaven as the police escorting them.

And their hair looks like they had regular cuts. 

And Frenchie's clothing attire is downright fashionable for someone hanging out in dirty boxcars passing around a bottle of booze to share swigs from.

What an odd looking trio those tramps are. They just look so different from each other.

Edited August 26, 2017 by Joe Bauer

[Joe Bauer]

On 8/1/2010 at 10:43 PM, William Kelly said:

 

I just read an excerpt from Norman Mailer's "Harlot's Ghost" where Mailer as the narrator describes Lansdale as " an odd, tall man..."

[Michael Walton]

Joe the most I'll  say about them is they don't  look like the average street people  you  see in DC or NYC nowadays. Maybe  it's  a  sign of worst times even for tramps.

[Ron Ecker]

6 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:

Did Maxwell have a stooped posture when he walked? 

 

 

[Michael Walton]

Ron way back 2010 you posted a photo that you  said looked like the guy walking past the tramps but you  can  see  his face.

The link you  posted for  the  photo is broke. Do you  still  have  that  photo?

[Ron Ecker]

31 minutes ago, Michael Walton said:

Ron way back 2010 you posted a photo that you  said looked like the guy walking past the tramps but you  can  see  his face.

The link you  posted for  the  photo is broke. Do you  still  have  that  photo?

The man at top left. You can't see his face, but he doesn't look like Lansdale or Taylor.

Edited August 26, 2017 by Ron Ecker

[David Andrews]

Non-prescription, clear-lens glasses have been available a long time - for "fashion," for disguise, for actors to wear.  I own a pair, acquired in the 1980s.

Lansdale's hair looks like Dealey Man's hair in this 1979 interview,  Lansdale is 16 years older here.  Does Dealey Man look older than Lansdale in1963?

 

Edited August 26, 2017 by David Andrews

[David Andrews]

1 hour ago, Ron Ecker said:

 

Hair and head look different from Dealey Man's.  Taylor's hair always seen cut rounded in the back to conform to head shape.