General Walker, Lee Harvey Oswald and Dallas Officials

[Jason Ward]

On 3/10/2018 at 9:32 PM, Jim Root said:

Walker was considered a political enemy of Kennedy who lived in Dallas.  I believe that upon hearing that Kennedy had been shot in Dallas Walker wanted to prove that he was not in Dallas.  Simple as that.  After that though Walker, just as every American, saw the image of Lee Harvey Oswald painted on every TV screen in America.  It is my belief it was then that Walker recognized Oswald from Walkers involvement in helping Oswald enter the Soviet Union. Within hours Walker is doing an interview with a German publication which prints a story that says Oswald tried to kill Walker.  My suggestion is that Walker knew immediately that Oswald was a subject of interest to US intelligence and to Soviet intelligence and that he, Walker, could be tied to the Oswald.  That to me would be a very scary prospect Walker would have to deal with......until Oswald was dead.

Hi Jim,

In your view who had Ruby kill Oswald?  Walker?

Jason

[Paul Trejo]

1 hour ago, Jason Ward said:

Hi Jim,

In your view, Oswald is a peacenik and Walker is a reactionary warmonger, right?    

But, in your outline, Oswald goes to the USSR at Walker's request?  What, then, does Oswald imagine he is doing in this assignment for the warlord Walker?

Jason

Jason,

For now, I am content to leave the Helsinki question open.   It is intriguing to say the least.   My best theories now are either "dumb luck" or "Kerry Thornley," but these are inadequate upon reflection.   

I have often said on this Forum that I remain open to the theory of former CIA man, Victor Marchetti, that LHO went to the USSR on behalf of the ONI as part of a "dangle project" which involved dozens of members who did not know each other.   This was like an intern spy job, and the "dangle was supposed to report on the location of selected people when sighted.   This allowed the ONI to record travel patterns.   

In my CT, if Marchetti is correct, then LHO at some point just quit this intern program, which would explain why he was never hired by the ONI (or any intelligence agency) and lived in dire poverty after he returned to the USA.

OK.   That would also explain the Helsinki angle, if phrased like that.   I'll leave it at that for now.   As for your question to Jim Root, it's very interesting to me, too.   Very well phrased.

All best,
--Paul

Edited March 13, 2018 by Paul Trejo

[Jason Ward]

18 minutes ago, Paul Trejo said:

Jason,

For now, I am content to leave the Helsinki question open.   It is intriguing to say the least.   My best theories now are either "dumb luck" or "Kerry Thornley," but these are inadequate upon reflection.   

I have often said on this Forum that I remain open to the theory of former CIA man, Victor Marchetti, that LHO went to the USSR on behalf of the ONI as part of a "dangle project" which involved dozens of members who did not know each other.   This was like an intern spy job, and the "dangle was supposed to report on the location of selected people when sighted.   This allowed the ONI to record travel patterns.   

In my CT, if Marchetti is correct, then LHO at some point just quit this intern program, which would explain why he was never hired by the ONI (or any intelligence agency) and lived in dire poverty after he returned to the USA.

OK.   That would also explain the Helsinki angle, if phrased like that.   I'll leave it at that for now.   As for your question to Jim Root, it's very interesting to me, too.   

All best,
--Paul

Hi Paul,

It's big of you to leave Helsinki as an open question. Seriously.

One of the biggest hurdles to ending the controversy around the JFK assassination is, in my view, the all-or-nothing mindset.   Every detail must bet explained by a CT, or the CT is shot to hell by critics and written off.   Likewise, the most popular CTs are those that claim to explain every detail.   

The CIA is given far too much credit and is imagined as some kind of all-knowing all-powerful force around here.   If a detail - like Oswald's speedy Helsinki visa- can't be explained, too many of us will say, "The CIA did it.  That explains everything."    Tagging the CIA conveniently also means that evidence is no longer needed - in the CTs of too many researchers.  Just say the CIA did it and the rules of evidence magically no longer apply.   "The CIA" should not be a universal answer when evidence is inconclusive.

So, in my view, we all should have enough confidence to simply say, "I don't know," or leave it as an open question.

I've long thought that Oswald in the USSR distracts too much from the assassination in Dallas.   A CT does not have to explain Oswald's Soviet chapter in order to explain Dallas.

So - Helsinki is an open question.   Fine.   We can move on.   

 

Jason

Edited March 13, 2018 by Jason Ward

[Jim Root]

1 hour ago, Paul Trejo said:

Hi Jim,

In your view, Oswald is a peacenik and Walker is a reactionary warmonger, right?    

But, in your outline, Oswald goes to the USSR at Walker's request?  What, then, does Oswald imagine he is doing in this assignment for the warlord Walker?

Jason

I see Oswald as a young Socialist that had a troubled life and was attempting to find his way in his world.  I see Walker as a soldier that would follow orders without question.  There is a story that when, in the first minutes after Walker arrived to his assignment with the First Special Services Force (just before they were to deploy for their mission in the Aleutian Islands) Walker was told that he would have to be "jump qualified" before he could actually be a member of "The Force."  As the story is told Walker went from the vehicle he arrived in to a plane and ordered the jump instructor to put a parachute on him.  He then went up in the plane and made his first jump untrained, dressed in the uniform that he had arrived in and said when he landed, jump qualified, Check. Ted Walker was fearless but not a warmonger. At the Battle of Monte la Defensa Walker morned the deaths of his fallen soldiers.  His men knew that he did not wish to see them die! 

No, I do not believe that Oswald went to the USSR at Walker's request.  I believe the plan was to sabotage the Paris Summit.  There is a report of the "Principals" (our nuclear arms negotiators in 1959) where they feared that the US would be forced, via international pressure and the State Department, into agreeing to a limited test ban treaty that that would be advantageous to the Russians. On May 1, 1960 the U2 is shot down and over the following seven days in May the US President attempts to deny that the U-2 was a spy plane.  History knows that that deception failed but it also led to the failure of the Paris Summit and the US did not sign a limited test ban treaty.  Perhaps more importantly it probably led to the election of JFK.  Imagine a signed agreement between the US and Russia, Krushev standing with Eisenhower, Nixon standing next to him, declaring a thawing of the Cold War.  My bet that under those circumstances Nixon would have won the election in 1960.  But alas it didn't happen that way.  Read Kennedy's first press conference after being sworn in.  Within his first 100 words Kennedy introduces his Chief Nuclear Negotiator......the same man that feared what the results of the Paris Summit would lead to. 

 

[Paul Trejo]

15 hours ago, Jim Root said:

Hey Paul just a few thoughts:

On Oct. 3, 1959 LHO writes to the Socialist Party of America .  For several years before this the CIA and the Postal Dept. were in discussion about beginning a full scale mail opening project in several cities including New York.  They started slowly in about January of 1959 but it was a "fullscale operation" by November.  The major person pushing this for the CIA was Richard Helms would would be following Oswald prior to the assassination of JFK. 

I suggest that Oswald would have been put on a "watch list" at that time as is suggested in John Newman's book, Oswald and the CIA.   If Oswald was on a "watch list" his entry into the Marines about a month after his letter to the socialist party, you would think, would have kept Oswald far away from the U-2 Program.  Instead he is put right into the middle of it...   

Jim Root 

Hi Jim,

You must have had other dates in mind, because LHO entered the USSR in 1959.  He entered the US Marines in 1956.   Was this a typo, or does this change the scenario as presented by John Newman?

All best,
--Paul

Edited March 13, 2018 by Paul Trejo

[Jim Root]

Typo Paul, 1956.  Oswald's letter to the Socialist party was written 21 days before he enlisted in the Marines on the 24 of October 1956.

Jim Root

[Jason Ward]

10 hours ago, Jim Root said:

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I see Walker as a soldier that would follow orders without question.  

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Hi Jim, thanks for talking with me, I really value serious discussions like this that lack any insults shot between forum members.

I agree that Walker is a "soldier that would follow orders without question."  I think we can call this a consensus statement of Walker's chain-of-command loyalty.    There are of course many workable ways to understand and structure one's life, and the chain-of-command approach is both popular and effective in many contexts.   However, what happens to guys like Walker when the chain of command disappears?    

Walker to me is someone who might protest a peace treaty with Iran under the Obama administration, resign his military commission, and immediately be hired as a celebrated Fox News commentator or Trump administration adviser...or maybe a congressional candidate sponsored by the Koch brothers. So Walker's little tantrum about resigning and then getting involved into "state's rights" and segregationist causes still has a parallel for us today.  It still happens.

But, if I understand you correctly, you think Walker never really left his chain of command, correct?  You think the resignation and life after the army for Walker was still in service of his chain of command, right?

10 hours ago, Jim Root said:

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I see Oswald as a young Socialist that had a troubled life and was attempting to find his way in his world.  

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No, I do not believe that Oswald went to the USSR at Walker's request.  I believe the plan was to sabotage the Paris Summit.

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Paul Trejo and you agree that Oswald as a teenager was legitimately a socialist, or a Marxist, or a wandering idealistic leftist, or something along these lines.  I think? 

Apologies, it's unclear to me what you mean by "the plan was to sabotage the Paris Summit."   

1. whose plan?
2. Is Oswald part of this plan?
3. Who, if anyone, is directing Oswald at Helsinki?

10 hours ago, Jim Root said:

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Imagine a signed agreement between the US and Russia, Krushev standing with Eisenhower, Nixon standing next to him, declaring a thawing of the Cold War.  My bet that under those circumstances Nixon would have won the election in 1960.  But alas it didn't happen that way.  Read Kennedy's first press conference after being sworn in.  Within his first 100 words Kennedy introduces his Chief Nuclear Negotiator......the same man that feared what the results of the Paris Summit would lead to. 

 

So you are saying that there is a plan to deny the White House to Nixon or those who shared Eisenhower/Nixon's aims of thawing the Cold War at Paris ...... and that this plan produced the capture of Francis Gary Powers, which, in turn, is the result of Oswald's move to the USSR?

You also imply that JFK recognizes his victory relied in part on the Oswald-Powers chain of events so he appoints John J McCloy as Chief Nuclear Negotiator.  Right?

 

Thanks again,

Jason

The below excerpt is by Marcus G Raskin, Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, February 1983, p. 34.

 

[Jim Root]

14 hours ago, Jason Ward said:

Hi Jim,

In your view who had Ruby kill Oswald?  Walker?

Jason

Jason

You have hit upon another of the troubling questions for my research......why would Ruby kill Oswald?

This is from a post I wrote back in 2004.....perhaps you will find it of interest.

 

A few weeks ago I began a Topic about the two "reporters" with Jack Ruby

at the DPD the night of the assassination. As of this time I have had no response but thought I would provide this additional information.

What are your thoughts about these portions of the Warren Report. I heard a great deal of the newsreel tape was distroyed but I have never seen the two men with "badges," such as are discribed by John Rutledge.

"At 9:00 p.m. he (Ruby) telphoned Ralph Paul but was unable to persuade Paul to join him at synagogue services." (WC Report, Pg 338)

"From his apartment, Ruby drove to Temple Shearith Israel, arriving near the end of a 2-hour service which had begun at 8 p.m." (WC Report, Pg 339)

"Ruby is known to have made his way, by about 11:30 p.m., to the third floor of the Dallas Police Department..." (WC Report, Pg 339)

'I saw Jack and two out-of-state reporters, whom I did not know, leave the elevator door and proceed toward those television cameras, to go around the corner where Captain Fritz's office was. Jack walked between them. these two out-of-state reporters had big press cards pinned on their coats, great big red ones, I think they said "President Kennedy's Visit to Dallas-Press", or something like that. And Jack didn't have one, but the man on either side of him did. and they walked pretty rapidly from the elevator area past the policeman, and Jack was bent over like this-writting on a piece of paper, and talking to one of the reporters, and pointing to something on the peice of paper, he was kind of hynched over." Newsman John Rutledge (WC Report Pg 340)

"Detective Augustus M. Eberhardt, who also recalled that he first saw Ruby earlier in the evening, said Ruby carried a note pad and professed to be a translator for the Israeli press." (WC Report Pg. 342)

He accompanied the newsmen to the basement to observe Oswald. His presence at the midnight news conference is established by television tapes and by at least 12 witnesses." (WC Report Pg. 342)

When questioned about his (Ruby) lie detector test this information is gleaned from the administrator of the test:

(Testimony of Bell P. Herndon)

Mr. Specter.

Will movement or speaking cause a variation in the tracings ordinarily, Mr. Herndon?

Mr. Herndon.

Yes. Body movements or speaking any phrase or sentence would certainly cause changes in the physiological patterns as displayed on the polygraph. <span style='color:red'>I made notation of that, however, and that explains the changes On question No. 2, Mr. Ruby did show a significant drop in the relative blood pressure. This question pertained to: "Did you go to the Dallas police station at any time on Friday November 22, 1963, before you went to the synagogue? I asked him about this question later when he responded "No," and I noticed a physiological change. He advised that there was some man by the name of John Rutledge, and he made an association with proceedings at the trial which I have reason to believe this gentleman, John Rutledge, differed with what Ruby stated as to when he went to the synagogue.</span><span style='color:blue'>Due to the nature of this change, however, it is possible that it was caused by a body motion that I failed to detect during the actual response.</span>

I notice that the cardio pen dropped all the way down and hit what we call the limit screws. This frequently is caused by a sudden rapid shift in his body position, and this change could have been caused by a body movement.

With regard to the other relevant questions in this series, question 4, question 6, and question 8, there was no significant deviation from his normal physiological patterns. (Warren Commission Hearings: Vol. XIV - Page 594)

It seems Jack Ruby may have been nervous about answering questions that delt with Rutledge's, who identified him with the "two out of state" newsmen, testimony and his trip to the synagogue. This particular question created a "a physiological change" or was it just body motion that Herndon, " failed to detect during the actual response"?

Jim Root

 

 

[Jim Root]

1 hour ago, Jason Ward said:

So you are saying that there is a plan to deny the White House to Nixon or those who shared Eisenhower/Nixon's aims of thawing the Cold War at Paris ...... and that this plan produced the capture of Francis Gary Powers, which, in turn, is the result of Oswald's move to the USSR?

You also imply that JFK recognizes his victory relied in part on the Oswald-Powers chain of events so he appoints John J McCloy as Chief Nuclear Negotiator.  Right?

 

Thanks again,

Jason

I am suggesting that the election of Kennedy allowed McCloy to continue in his quest for a Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty.  I also suggest that McCloy did not want the Paris Summit to happen.  I will also say that McCloy quit as Kennedy's Chief Arms negotiator, refusing to negotiate a Limited test Ban Treaty in 1963 only to be reappointed by Johnson to a position as an arms negotiator after the assassination and McCloy was also appointed to the Warren Commission.  I will also say McCloy is a very interesting fellow!

As Asst. Sec. of War under Stimson, McCloy had a strange portfolio of of projects that came under his management.  McCloy was tasked with the development of a modern Intelligence Agency based upon the British System.  The OSS was established as a result of that task (as was Secrete Intelligence) and after the War McCloy played a major roll in establishing the CIA and NSA.  McCloy was also a leader in integrating the US Military.  McCloy was also over the development of the Atomic Bomb and argued against its use, spending a good part of the rest of his life attempting to put that genie back in its bottle.

Jim Root

Edited March 13, 2018 by Jim Root

[Paul Trejo]

15 hours ago, Jason Ward said:

Hi Paul,

...I've long thought that Oswald in the USSR distracts too much from the assassination in Dallas.   A CT does not have to explain Oswald's Soviet chapter in order to explain Dallas.

Jason

Jason,

I agree with this fully, from my own perspective.  Even if former CIA agent Victor Marchetti was right, and LHO went to the USSR as a "dangle" for the ONI, that has no necessary connection with the JFK Assassination.

In my CT, if LHO was a "dangle" for the ONI in the USSR, then something  happened in the USSR to cause him to sharply break with the ONI.  

I say this for three reasons: (1) when he returned to the USA, his Marine discharge status was downgraded to "undesirable"; (2) when he returned to the USA, he did not have a steady, full-time job with the ONI, or with any intelligence agency, but at best he was a contract informant for the FBI, part-time; and (3) when he returned to the USA, he and Marina lived in abject poverty, in roach-infested apartments, where the baby's crib was a suitcase, with Marina seriously In need of medical and dental attention, and with LHO losing weight.

So, I say again -- even if the ONI sent LHO to Helsinki, and sent him into the USSR, it didn't last, in my reading.  And so there was no straight-line from the USSR to the JFK Assassination as John Newman and many others have presumed.

All best,
--Paul

[Paul Trejo]

2 hours ago, Jason Ward said:

...Jim

...Paul Trejo and you agree that Oswald as a teenager was legitimately a socialist, or a Marxist, or a wandering idealistic leftist, or something along these lines.  I think? ...

Thanks again,

Jason

Jason,

To clarify -- I believe that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) was an opportunist.  As a teenager he was a "Marxist" in the sense that he knew Marxist vocabulary and would use it to establish boundaries for his personal life.   He could accuse wealthy people of being greedy capitalists.   He could sympathize with poor people and call them 'exploited workers,' or an 'exploited lumpenproletariat.'   

But his heart was never in it.   I cite as hard evidence the historical fact that LHO never joined any Communist or Socialist Party.   LHO never associated with Communists or Socialists inside the USA.   In New Orleans, for example, matters were exactly as Jim Garrison described them -- all of the associates of LHO in New Orleans belonged to the Radical Right.   Yes, LHO wrote letters to Communist and Socialist groups in New York (knowing full well that the FBI would intercept them all).  But he never joined.  He never hung out with these people.  That's conclusive, in my reading.  LHO was play-acting.  LHO was an opportunist.

In my main CT (aside from Marchetti) I maintain that LHO went to the USSR on a teenage spree.  He knew how to lie very well, and how to gain the sympathy of people.   This explains the slashed wrists (which were not slashed deeply).   A teenager with slashed wrists makes a great sympathy-getter.

In my humble opinion, LHO entered the USSR in order to write his memoirs about it, and then sell those memoirs in the USA for a fortune.  That was his teenage dream.  He might have done it, too, but Marina Oswald upset all his plans.  

Long before LHO was ready to return to the USA, she pushed hard to come to the USA.   My evidence is that LHO would often speak about returning to the USSR when he recalled how tough life could be at the bottom of the social ladder in the USA.  Marina wouldn't hear it.  Even at this low point, life in the USA was better for her and her children.

LHO gives ample evidence for my theory In his own memoirs, and in his own answers to interviews by Russian Expatriates in Fort Worth and Dallas.   He consistently said that he had been disappointed with life in the USSR.  It was not how he had imagined it should be.   He was never a Communist.   One key reason that he still claimed to be a "Socialist" was because he knew it upset the Russian Expatriates, and he hated most of them, because they had lots of money, and they showered Marina Oswald with all these gifts, and made him feel even smaller.

LHO had one good pal among the Russian Expatriates, namely, George De Mohrenschildt (DM), who was much older, a college professor, and had lots of money.   An odd couple -- yet this is what George DM told the Warren Commission:

Mr. JENNER. Did there go through your mind speculations as to whether Oswald was an agent of anybody?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. No...I never even thought about it. I will tell you why...because he was too outspoken...in his ideas and his attitudes...If he were an agent, I thought he would have kept quiet. This would be my idea.
Mr. JENNER. You say he was outspoken. What do you base that on?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. ...Well...he was a semi-educated hillbilly. And you cannot take such a person seriously. All his opinions were crude, you see....
Mr. JENNER. Did you have the feeling that his views on politics were shallow and surface?

Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Exactly. His mind was of a man with exceedingly poor background, who read rather advanced books, and did not understand even the words in them. He read complicated economical treatises and just picked up difficult words out of what he has read, and loved to display them. He loved to use the difficult words, because it was to impress one.
Mr. JENNER. Did you think he understood it?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. He did not understand the words--he just used them. So how can you take seriously a person like that? You just laugh at him...

Now, I realize that many CTers simply reject out of hand anything that George De Mohrenschildt said, and I also admit that George DM did withhold crucial data about General Walker from the Warren Commission.   But otherwise, in my opinion, George DM was telling his sincere and honest opinion about Lee Harvey Oswald, whom he unsuccessfully tried to befriend.  Both men had serious personality issues, which both drew them to the other, and repulsed them.

All best,
--Paul

Edited March 13, 2018 by Paul Trejo

[Joe Bauer]

Paul, one thing I agree with you on is your occasional look at the daily lives of Lee and Marina and their baby in real life ways.

Since 1962 , more often than not, they were all in desperate states in so many ways.

They were stressed, dependent on others and always one argument away from separating and Marina moving in with others. There were many fights, some physical hitting and Marina seemed much more safe and relieved to be away from Lee versus with him.

In the later McMillan book on Marina, Marina too often sugar coated how bad things really were between her and Lee.

However, in Marina's Warren Commission testimony session it was mentioned to her to comment on a reported suicide attempt on Marina's part in the spring of 1963. Marina not only didn't deny she did this, but stated that Lee hit her in the face upon discovering it and told her how foolish it was and made her go to bed.

Now that admitted incident indicates how bad things really were for Marina with Lee versus other person's views that it wasn't quite that bad.

Marina asked Liebeler to allow her not to speak any more about this suicide attempt and Liebeler let it go.

I think Marina really lost it with Lee after the Walker incident and his talk of hijacking a plane to Cuba and having her join him and helping him in this endeavor.

I think she was totally exhausted about it all. His talk of gun violence ( Walker ) and other violent acts must have made her realize that she was living with a person who was extremely unstable and could ruin her and her baby's life on a whim.

I agree with Marina when she would also say something to the effect "what could I do?"

When you ask yourself why she didn't run to the White Russians and maybe even the police to report her husband for all this crazy talk and perhaps acts of violence...

Place yourself in her 22 year old position.

No family to run to. Afraid of losing her citizenship. No money. No one to stand up for her if Oswald was arrested. Her English wasn't good enough for so many basic activities and maybe others would shun her when they learned she was from Russia? She had a young child and another baby on the way.

Even the help of the White Russians was temporary and caused some tension in their family affairs. Marina knew that.  She couldn't live forever with Ruth Paine. 

If Oswald was on the payroll of some agency...his compensation was so pitifully poor it couldn't even make a dent in the financial struggle stresses he encountered his whole time back in the states. Stresses that were destroying his marriage and taking away the most precious thing he held in his heart...the love for his child June ( and new born Rachel) in a way to protect and nurture and provide for them.

If Oswald worked for others during his return to the states, you'd think at some point he would have demanded that his employers help him live and provide a life for his wife and children better than one step away from losing all of this.

This is a reality about the lives of Marina and Lee and their children that can't be totally dismissed as having no important bearing on their thoughts and actions throughout. IMO.

 

Edited March 13, 2018 by Joe Bauer

[Paul Trejo]

Joe,

I agree with everything you said.  This is good evidence, IMHO, that Lee Harvey Oswald had no steady job in the CIA or ONI or FBI or any Intel agency.  

Some White Russians would have taken Marina into their homes, but absolutely not Lee.  

George Bouhe wanted to rescue Marina, but he was terrified of Lee Harvey Oswald.  Lee would never allow it, and he threatened violence.

Apparently, Marina wanted it both ways -- she wanted to live in a big, comfortable house, and she wanted her husband to come over to visit as he pleased.

No White Russians would put up with that.

Anyway -- a few notes about your timeline, to straighten it out.  The Walker shooting was in April, 1963, while Lee's rant about hijacking a plane to Cuba was in September,  1963.

Also, Ruth Paine had almost zero connection with the White Russians for two reasons: (1) her conversational Russian language skills were horrible, according to Professor Mamantov ; and (2) she did not attend the Russian Orthodox Church as they all did (including agnostics like George DM).

In March, 1963, when Marina began to visit Ruth Paine, she asked Ruth to promise to keep her pregnancy secret from the White Russians.  Ruth explained to the Warren Commission that this was an easy promise, because she didn't know any White Russians.

Marina knew many White Russians in Texas, starting in July, 1962.  She didn't meet Ruth Paine until late February, 1963, at the apartment of Everett Glover, who did not speak Russian, but was an engineer who knew George DM and who also sang in a Unitarian Choir with Michael Paine.

Regards,

--Paul Trejo

Edited March 14, 2018 by Paul Trejo

[Paul Brancato]

Mr. Trejo - you used to talk about Oswald as a far rightist masquerading as a socialist. You have also said that you think that, after the Walker assassination attempt, Walker and Banister took control of Oswald and ultimately tried to get him into Cuba to assassinate Castro. Do you still stand behind these points? 

I'm not sure why you and Jason chose to ignore my post on this thread about Souetre in New Orleans, and about links between Banister and OAS. Garrison surely would not have ignored this kind of evidence if it had come his way, especially considering that it was Clay Shaw that he took to court. 

[Jason Ward]

9 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:

Paul, one thing I agree with you on is your occasional look at the daily lives of Lee and Marina and their baby in real life ways.

Since 1962 , more often than not, they were all in desperate states in so many ways.

...

If Oswald worked for others during his return to the states, you'd think at some point he would have demanded that his employers help him live and provide a life for his wife and children better than one step away from losing all of this.

...

Hi Joe,

I think Assassination enthusiasts are birds of a feather and they are remarkably the same in most measurable ways.   In particular, they are mostly men.   It seems most men love to fantasize about the CIA, microdots, and conspiracies.  Diapers and medical bills don't cross their radar.

As you say, Marina, the kids, and their home life is critical in understanding LHO.  Just like it's critical to understanding me or you or anyone else.  Money in particular was as important for LHO as it is for the rest of us.

The reason submariners, night shift workers, doctors, hired killers, and movie stars earn a pay premium is because they do hazardous duty, or duty few of us want to do, or work that is highly prized, or work that entertains millions.  I think everyone recognizes this.  Yet, we are to believe that the CIA has Oswald in a starring role for its biggest show, but decides to keep him in poverty?   The CIA can't even cough up the $100 or so it costs to have a kid in those days?

 

Jason

[below is from FBI's HQ file on Oswald.  The first document is a summary of Marina's application for medical help from the charity hospital in New Orleans.  This was denied because she had not yet established Louisiana residency for the mandated minimum time period.  The second document is information from, ironically, Parkland Hospital, which the Oswalds relied upon for charity medical care.]

 

[From George DeMohrenschildt's unpublished manuscript in the HSCA report]

 

Edited March 14, 2018 by Jason Ward