Heroes of the Kennedy Assassination Research Effort

[David Andrews]

As we compile the shortlist for the Order of Lenin here, are we including witnesses such as Roger Craig and investigators such as Garrison, or just researchers?

I'm thinking we should stick to researchers, so Craig and Garrison out, but Gaeton Fonzi in, as he made the leap; and Judge Tanenbaum out, as he has not, and is a hybrid investigator-witness.

Edited April 14, 2020 by David Andrews

[Joseph McBride]

The true heroes in the case are the witnesses who came forward

to tell the truth despite great risk.

[Ron Bulman]

2 hours ago, John Butler said:

I've forgotten who Barry Ernst is.

https://www.amazon.com/Girl-Stairs-Barry-Ernest-ebook/dp/B00FAVZ9CS/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Barry+Ernest+the+girl+on+the+stairs&qid=1586906187&s=books&sr=1-1

[Cory Santos]

Interesting, no mention of Dorothy Kilgallen.  No mention either of Geraldo Rivera who first presented the Zapruder film.  

Edited April 15, 2020 by Cory Santos

[Ron Bulman]

10 hours ago, John Butler said:

I don't know Michael Chesser.  Just for my education could you give a brief statement on him.  I will add the other names to my list and post. 

I know this is not much recognition for the good work, hard work, and effort of the people listed, but it is my attempt to say something about these people who have tried to bring us the truth.

He's a respected neurologist of about 35 years experience who has been to the National Archives twice to review the x-rays.  You really ought to read his conclusions for yourself.  Try the last two issues of Garrison the magazine articles.

http://assassinationofjfk.net/a-review-of-the-jfk-cranial-x-rays-and-photographs/

[Ron Bulman]

11 hours ago, John Butler said:

No worries, mate.  Cliff Varnell is a stand up,straight forward researcher.  I don't agree with him on certain things, but that is not important when it comes to research.  In certain areas that I have commented on almost everyone disagrees with some of the things I have said.

Yes.  Whether you agree with her or not she had the courage to bring her controversial (to some) story to the public.  Someone brought up Gerald Posner.  I can't give that guy any kind of good word.  There is a difference between people like Baker and Posner. 

Including Judyth Baker tarnishes others on it by association.  It belittles their accomplishments by the fact she's a fraud and they are not, except for her backer Fetzer.  She's a shyster, huckster and disinformation specialist.  Not a researcher.  Not reputable. It's not just me John.  I wasted money on Dr. Mary's Monkey.  Because of the statements of the following people on your list and others I've not wasted my money on her BS.  They make it very clear she is not just a waste of time but a (purposeful) distraction from pursuit of the Truth.  Debra Conway, Jim DiEugenio, Larry Hancock, Bart Kamp and David Josephs for starters.  Read this before you reply.

https://kennedysandking.com/images/pdf/JudythBaker-DJ.pdf

[Sandy Larsen]

11 hours ago, John Butler said:

23 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

Judith Baker?

Yes.  Whether you agree with her or not she had the courage to bring her controversial (to some) story to the public.  Someone brought up Gerald Posner.  I can't give that guy any kind of good word.  There is a difference between people like Baker and Posner. 

 

It was Ron Ecker who nominated Gerald Posner. That surely was one of Ron's famous one-liners.  (And don't call me Shirley.)

 

[Joseph McBride]

Kudos to Geraldo Rivera for showing the Z film on American TV. But when

I was researching INTO THE NIGHTMARE in the 1980s and made one

of my visits to the Tippit murder scene, a bunch of neighborhood kids gathered

around to ask me about that event I spent half an hour talking with them and showing

them photos of the crime scene; it was inspiring to hear their keen interest and

good questions. They told me Geraldo had recently come to the site in a limousine

and spent ten minutes there and didn't talk with anyone. They were not impressed.

Edited April 15, 2020 by Joseph McBride

[John Butler]

14 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

https://www.amazon.com/Girl-Stairs-Barry-Ernest-ebook/dp/B00FAVZ9CS/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Barry+Ernest+the+girl+on+the+stairs&qid=1586906187&s=books&sr=1-1

Thanks Ron.  My memory just needed a shake.  I recall now.   Thanks.

[John Butler]

12 hours ago, Cory Santos said:

Interesting, no mention of Dorothy Kilgallen.  No mention either of Geraldo Rivera who first presented the Zapruder film.  

Thanks Cory.  I'll put their names on the list.  This whole thing is about there being to many praise worthy people for one person to list.

If you could would you write a short, maybe two sentences which is nearly an impossible task to be that brief, description of each.  I'm trying to assemble the whole group with a brief description for each that perhaps would jog someone's memory  or inform someone new to the field that person is interesting enough to find out more information about them and their work.

[John Butler]

15 hours ago, David Andrews said:

As we compile the shortlist for the Order of Lenin here, are we including witnesses such as Roger Craig and investigators such as Garrison, or just researchers?

I'm thinking we should stick to researchers, so Craig and Garrison out, but Gaeton Fonzi in, as he made the leap; and Judge Tanenbaum out, as he has not, and is a hybrid investigator-witness.

Thanks David,

I think anyone who gets into the business of JFK research or is connected to is worthy of praise however minor their contribution is.  When I get the whole list assembled it might be a good idea to separate these folks into categories.  I don't know about the Order of Lenin.  I had not realized that could be taken that way.  I am using hero simply as someone who stands out from the crowd.   

[John Butler]

4 hours ago, Joseph McBride said:

Kudos to Geraldo Rivera for showing the Z film on American TV. But when

I was researching INTO THE NIGHTMARE in the 1980s and made one

of my visits to the Tippit murder scene, a bunch of neighborhood kids gathered

around to ask me about that event I spent half an hour talking with them and showing

them photos of the crime scene; it was inspiring to hear their keen interest and

good questions. They told me Geraldo had recently come to the site in a limousine

and spent ten minutes there and didn't talk with anyone. They were not impressed.

I think I know what those kids are talking about.  Over the years Geraldo has lost his shine if he ever had any.  But, IMO we have to give him credit for the Zapruder film display whatever his intentions were. 

There are lots of media folks I simply will not listen to and just turn them off. 

[John Butler]

11 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

It was Ron Ecker who nominated Gerald Posner. That surely was one of Ron's famous one-liners.  (And don't call me Shirley.)

 

Thanks Sandy,

I remembered it was Ron Ecker.  I figured it was just a joke of his.  A one liner as you said.  Ron was nominated for this list.  I don't have any problem with him.  Good man.  But, Gerald Posner is another matter. 

[John Butler]

11 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

Including Judyth Baker tarnishes others on it by association.  It belittles their accomplishments by the fact she's a fraud and they are not, except for her backer Fetzer.  She's a shyster, huckster and disinformation specialist.  Not a researcher.  Not reputable. It's not just me John.  I wasted money on Dr. Mary's Monkey.  Because of the statements of the following people on your list and others I've not wasted my money on her BS.  They make it very clear she is not just a waste of time but a (purposeful) distraction from pursuit of the Truth.  Debra Conway, Jim DiEugenio, Larry Hancock, Bart Kamp and David Josephs for starters.  Read this before you reply.

https://kennedysandking.com/images/pdf/JudythBaker-DJ.pdf

Thanks Ron,

I know your position on this.  I read your comments all the time and the comments of the folks you have listed.  You have listed a number of great, and praiseworthy people in opposition to Judith Baker.  Other can probably list her supporters. 

What I am saying is, real or not she is out there for people to judge her story.  There are Judith Baker supporters.

[John Butler]

11 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

It was Ron Ecker who nominated Gerald Posner. That surely was one of Ron's famous one-liners.  (And don't call me Shirley.)

 

 

11 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

Yes.  Whether you agree with her or not she had the courage to bring her controversial (to some) story to the public.  Someone brought up Gerald Posner.  I can't give that guy any kind of good word.  There is a difference between people like Baker and Posner

I see I screwed up in writing this above statement that Sandy outlined in red.  I did not mean Ron Ecker, but Gerald Posner.  Sorry.