David Josephs Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 On 4/25/2020 at 11:37 PM, Bart Kamp said: That he was agency Ron. Or better yet allegedly said..... Maybe this really is Shelley, as I've suspected for some time now.... Makes some sense for him to know Oswald in New Orleans re:FPCC.... or is this just farting in the wind? (and no that's not Cruz's dad) Does seem like all the white shirts are going to him for something.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 5 hours ago, David Josephs said: Maybe this really is Shelley, as I've suspected for some time now.... Makes some sense for him to know Oswald in New Orleans re:FPCC.... or is this just farting in the wind? (and no that's not Cruz's dad) Does seem like all the white shirts are going to him for something.... You mean if it might in fact be Shelly there maybe supervising the distribution of FPCC flyers from Banister's office at 544 Camp street... Then when Ozzie is told to move back to Dallas in September Ruth Paine contacts Roy Truly who puts him to work for, Bill Shelly...? Maybe Ruth's reference was just cover for how he landed at the TSBD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 On 4/29/2020 at 8:29 PM, Ron Bulman said: You mean if it might in fact be Shelly there maybe supervising the distribution of FPCC flyers from Banister's office at 544 Camp street... Then when Ozzie is told to move back to Dallas in September Ruth Paine contacts Roy Truly who puts him to work for, Bill Shelly...? Maybe Ruth's reference was just cover for how he landed at the TSBD? David I'm not much on linking pictures but I saw one recently elsewhere that relates I think. Sorry I can't remember where, somewhere on here most likely. It's of Shelly being escorted from the TSBD to a police car for an affidavit and/or questioning by a shotgun toting DPD cop. The Shelly in that picture looked a whole lot like the one in the picture of the guy behind Oswald in the leafleting picture. If someone who knows how could post them side by side that would be neat. Or it might make me look like a alone nut. Sequestered In Place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Ron Bulman said: David I'm not much on linking pictures but I saw one recently elsewhere that relates I think. Sorry I can't remember where, somewhere on here most likely. It's of Shelly being escorted from the TSBD to a police car for an affidavit and/or questioning by a shotgun toting DPD cop. The Shelly in that picture looked a whole lot like the one in the picture of the guy behind Oswald in the leafleting picture. If someone who knows how could post them side by side that would be neat. Or it might make me look like a alone nut. Sequestered In Place. I think this is what you're talking about... And the people at prayer-man.com decided I was right and ran with it... the circled image above comes from a larger image of them walking to this police car http://www.prayer-man.com/tsbd/bill-shelley/ Edited May 1, 2020 by David Josephs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Butler Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 (edited) Bill Shelly is lucky he didn't make the Jim Marr's death list early on. I'm sure the policemen shoving his shotgun into Shelly's face was a warning. Notice Shelly's reaction. The red typing an arrow looks like something I did, but could be any number of people. If me, it had to do with the underlined statement And, David's work showing that Bill Shelly was the person at the Trade Mart in NO with Oswald. Shelly was arrested that afternoon and was charged. This is disputed, so who knows? The point is Shelly's reaction which is caught on camera as the policeman directs his shotgun in line with Shelly's head. Some people believe the Dallas Police were a murderous bunch sometimes referred to as the "blue death". Edited May 1, 2020 by John Butler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Bainbridge Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 2 hours ago, John Butler said: Most people will have spotted William Harvey leaning on the tree in this photo but how many spotted E Howard Hunt looking from behind Harvey next to the car? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 Bill Shelly is still such a conundrum it seems to me. As the prayerman article on him mentions, I have trouble seeing him as more than an informant for the FBI or maybe CIA. However, if such he would have likely had no problem with instructions to leave a door open at night or ignore the presence of a stranger or two on 11/22, maybe cooperate with them, "innocently". The troubling parts regard his going back in to call his wife vs going to the railroad tracks. Then lying about seeing Vicki Adams. As well as maybe telling Oswald no more work today, then pointing out to Truly he noticed he was the "only" one missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 On 5/8/2020 at 12:10 AM, Ron Bulman said: Bill Shelly is still such a conundrum it seems to me. As the prayerman article on him mentions, I have trouble seeing him as more than an informant for the FBI or maybe CIA. However, if such he would have likely had no problem with instructions to leave a door open at night or ignore the presence of a stranger or two on 11/22, maybe cooperate with them, "innocently". The troubling parts regard his going back in to call his wife vs going to the railroad tracks. Then lying about seeing Vicki Adams. As well as maybe telling Oswald no more work today, then pointing out to Truly he noticed he was the "only" one missing. At the same time, if Shelly was maybe an informant or of some other lower use would he not follow instructions by someone Truly introduced and told him to do so? Would he have said whatever he was told to afterwards? Maybe thinking of himself afterwards as "CIA"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted May 11, 2020 Author Share Posted May 11, 2020 The thing that troubles me is the denial about Oswald. See, that would suggest--suggest-- that he and Truly cooperated on giving Oswald's name to the police. The other things are also bad, but that one really is something I think. Because as Oliver Stone found out, there is evidence that Truly was not being paid through the TSBD. The Glaze letters should have been investigated by the HSCA. I would say that if DIck Sprague had gotten that letter he would have done so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 On 5/1/2020 at 10:03 AM, John Butler said: Who is the Junior G-man type standing at far left? He doesn't look like a DPD or DSD detective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 On 5/1/2020 at 9:58 AM, Eddy Bainbridge said: Most people will have spotted William Harvey leaning on the tree in this photo but how many spotted E Howard Hunt looking from behind Harvey next to the car? Eddie G. That is hilarious! Thank you! I needed a good laugh! Sorry, but we do have to spread some lightness in this tragic story from time to time to balance it all. That Oliver Hardy look-a-like in front of the tree, the E.Howard Hunt fedora man, how about the shadow spy figure inside the car in the upper left...and the "junior G-Man" D. Andrews points out? W.Shelley does have a shotgun barrel thrust just inches from his face! Yes, "just a little" more incentive to follow the DPD officer's instructions to get in the car! Ha! And weirdly also, these fellows who look to be hauled in for questioning by the cops all seem to be slightly smiling and amused by it all ! ? Regards the different photos of W. Shelley look-a-likes... my uneducated observation is that the resemblances are so close...they are clearly of the same man. And I will not dismiss Raphael Cruz Sr. as one of Oswald's fellow leaflet distributors. Cruz Sr. was living in New Orleans at this exact time ( he was the exact age of Oswald) and Cruz Sr. has never talked about his time in New Orleans, yet he talked much about how politically anti-Castro active he was in Texas just before moving to New Orleans, giving talks to groups etc. So he moves to the hottest anti-Castro political activity city in the country at the time (next to Miami ) ...and he completely avoids any contact with his fellow anti-Castro compatriots? Please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 Is the guy on the left a Dallas Police detective? Maybe Revill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Hargrove Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 On 5/11/2020 at 1:08 AM, James DiEugenio said: See, that would suggest--suggest-- that he and Truly cooperated on giving Oswald's name to the police. The other things are also bad, but that one really is something I think. Because as Oliver Stone found out, there is evidence that Truly was not being paid through the TSBD. According to this Find-a-Grave page, Roy Truly's wife Mildred was related to a rather famous family: Mildred W. Chenault Truly Rest in Peace. Daughter of William R. Chenault who was 1st cousin of famed WWII & CIA-affiliated Flying Tigers Gen. Claire Chennault. Her branch of the family spelled their surname with one "n" rather than two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Butler Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) On 4/29/2020 at 3:35 PM, David Josephs said: Maybe this really is Shelley, as I've suspected for some time now.... Makes some sense for him to know Oswald in New Orleans re:FPCC.... or is this just farting in the wind? (and no that's not Cruz's dad) Does seem like all the white shirts are going to him for something.... Back to David's beginning post. I have always seen this as Bill Shelly regardless of those who say his ears are to big. This is a more important photo then most realize. I call it the 3 patsy photo. Oswald became the Patsy. Shelly was arrested for the assassination, but is claimed later this was not so. At the time Chauncy Holt was sitting in a train car loaded with explosives sweating over the notion he might be blown up and used as the perpetrator. I man I have listed as Kerry Thornley has always interested me. I've switched between Lee Oswald, Kerry Thornley, and an unknown in identifying this person. Jim Garrison reports provided by Bart Kamp have helped. This may be Kerry Thornley. This New Orleans film has been altered. It has been altered to show the official story people and not the actual people involved. I don't believe that is Harvey Oswald. It is Lee Oswald with a Harvey face mask. I think Lee Oswald and Kerry Thornley? are the people shown here and involved in the pamphlet handouts. I realize this is not a popular idea or accepted by many folks. But, it is the way I look at this. And, from this latest find in written evidence I may be getting closer to validating my ideas. It is not much to base a Lee Oswald identification on, but a lack of unattached earlobes it's part of the identification characteristics of Lee Oswald. Then there is the issue of the Harvey face mask which some people don't see. Lee has a bigger head than Harvey and can be seen in this photo crop. Edited May 12, 2020 by John Butler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Butler Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 21 hours ago, David Andrews said: Who is the Junior G-man type standing at far left? He doesn't look like a DPD or DSD detective. No idea. Jr. G-Man serves as well as any ID until someone comes forward with a better ID. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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