Kirk Gallaway Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 (edited) Re: Trump, you know I've been thinking about something that might get us out of this mess. It may seem a little far fetched but hear me out. Why don't we produce a "Truman " like movie where Trump still thinks he's President. Trump's followers after watching a few episodes will follow in suit and in a couple of months, we'll be right back to normal! 😃 What do you guys think? Edited August 13, 2021 by Kirk Gallaway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 Snopes co-founder exposed as fraud https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/deansterlingjones/snopes-cofounder-plagiarism-mikkelson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said: Re: Trump, you know I've been thinking about something that might get us out of this mess. It may seem a little far fetched but hear me out. Why don't we produce a "Truman " like movie where Trump still thinks he's President. Trump's followers after watching a few episodes will follow in suit and in a couple of months, we'll be right back to normal! 😃 What do you guys think? Perhaps they can hire the producer of that fictional Benghazi movie, 13 Hours, that appeared in American theaters before the 2016 election. The movie was a big hit with Trump supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 On 8/12/2021 at 10:58 PM, James DiEugenio said: This is a pretty good documentary about January 6th. The failure of the Capitol Police to heed the warnings was pretty awful. They were just unprepared and outmanned. That crowd was incited and vicious. Goodman saved the day. IMO if you really study this, I think Gosar was in on it. He kept the House in session while the senate was emptying. This is well worth a bump. If you've not yet watched it, time well spent. The best video compilation I've seen. Insurrection documented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 The Trump Reinstatement Day Dance Tutorial. https://twitter.com/Fah_Lo_Me/status/1426166195741470723 I think you have to take his Covid bleach cure ahead of time in order to master it correctly. Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 Biden's official statement today on Afghanistan. And, below, a copy of Trump's February 29, 2020 treaty with the Taliban. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/08/14/statement-by-president-joe-biden-on-afghanistan/ https://www.europarl.europa.eu/cmsdata/197763/Peace Agreement between the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan and the United States of America_29.2.2020.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 2 hours ago, W. Niederhut said: Biden's official statement today on Afghanistan. And, below, a copy of Trump's February 29, 2020 treaty with the Taliban. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/08/14/statement-by-president-joe-biden-on-afghanistan/ https://www.europarl.europa.eu/cmsdata/197763/Peace Agreement between the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan and the United States of America_29.2.2020.pdf Readers of this website especially should ponder the globalist-national security state, and how Bush jr., the GOP establishment, and Biden and the Donk establishment, fit into it. Then think about JFK and why he was eliminated. And why US media still has little interest in the JFKA. Trump was a sideshow, and with luck, passing from the scene. The establishment media would like the "liberal" public to be obsessed with Trump, and to make sure no non-establishment president ever reaches the Oval Office ever again. That is the framework in which "news" reaches you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said: Readers of this website especially should ponder the globalist-national security state, and how Bush jr., the GOP establishment, and Biden and the Donk establishment, fit into it. Then think about JFK and why he was eliminated. And why US media still has little interest in the JFKA. Trump was a sideshow, and with luck, passing from the scene. The establishment media would like the "liberal" public to be obsessed with Trump, and to make sure no non-establishment president ever reaches the Oval Office ever again. That is the framework in which "news" reaches you. Ben, What concerns me is whether the American public will get an honest, accurate appraisal of the 20 year Afghanistan War fiasco, including Trump's negotiations with the Taliban last year to end the U.S. occupation. I'm not one to blame Trump or Biden for trying to get us out of the quagmire, but many people, including Trump, are already trying to pin the blame on the donkey. It's disingenuous. The other thing I fear is an Afghanistan "Rambo Syndrome"-- i.e., people claiming that we could have "won" the occupation of Afghanistan with more bombs, more cajones, etc. It's the wrong historical lesson. Geez... How many tons of ordnance did we already drop to bomb Afghanistan back to the Stone Age? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 2 hours ago, W. Niederhut said: Ben, What concerns me is whether the American public will get an honest, accurate appraisal of the 20 year Afghanistan War fiasco, including Trump's negotiations with the Taliban last year to end the U.S. occupation. I'm not one to blame Trump or Biden for trying to get us out of the quagmire, but many people, including Trump, are already trying to pin the blame on the donkey. It's disingenuous. The other thing I fear is an Afghanistan "Rambo Syndrome"-- i.e., people claiming that we could have "won" the occupation of Afghanistan with more bombs, more cajones, etc. It's the wrong historical lesson. Geez... How many tons of ordnance did we already drop to bomb Afghanistan back to the Stone Age? Oh, not even just Afghanistan. Have you ever seen photos of Raqqa, Syria? Or Fallujah, Iraq? Evidently, turning a town into rubble is an option. Let alone the 270 million cluster bombs left behind in Laos (yes, million). There is a new standard since Korea: A war must be fantastically expensive but counterproductive, and the outcome of little consequence to real American prosperity. The trifecta. Trump gets some credit, and Biden the lion's share for getting out of a losing situation. If the US really gets out. Yes. No doubt US soldiers will be lionized for decades to come for their exploits in the Mideast---the globalist mantra from Hollywood. No, I do not blame individual soldiers. Smart and tough, caught in a bad situation. But the leadership.... Speaking of the media, the WaPo has never run a op-ed that spending $6 trillion in Iraqistan is an example of white supremacy and racism and empire-building, as that money could have been spent at home making US cities safe and prosperous. That line of reasoning actually makes some sense. But those lulus who over-ran the Capitol.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Gallaway Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, W. Niederhut said: Ben, What concerns me is whether the American public will get an honest, accurate appraisal of the 20 year Afghanistan War fiasco, including Trump's negotiations with the Taliban last year to end the U.S. occupation. I'm not one to blame Trump or Biden for trying to get us out of the quagmire, but many people, including Trump, are already trying to pin the blame on the donkey. It's disingenuous. The other thing I fear is an Afghanistan "Rambo Syndrome"-- i.e., people claiming that we could have "won" the occupation of Afghanistan with more bombs, more cajones, etc. It's the wrong historical lesson. Geez... How many tons of ordnance did we already drop to bomb Afghanistan back to the Stone Age? W: I'm not one to blame Trump or Biden for trying to get us out of the quagmire, Trump trying to get us out of the quagmire?? If he wanted to, he could have, in his first year in office back in 2017, just like Biden did. Whatever Trump's rhetoric, in the end he's blaming the withdrawal on the Democrats. That tells you how sincere he was about pulling out of Afghanistan. Just as the increased Intelligence and Defense budgets under Trump. W: What concerns me is whether the American public will get an honest, accurate appraisal of the 20 year Afghanistan War fiasco, "Honest, accurate appraisal?" In the final analysis, most people can see it's a 20 year war, that's probably going to end in images similar to the fleeing from Saigon in 1975. That's not going to be perceived as successful. As far as the "Rambo syndrone": The case that we could have bombed our way to victory as some alleged in Vietnam is not going to be swallowed in such a disfragmented ,tribal country and culture that foreign powers have been warring over for centuries. People aren't, at least that stupid. After 1975, Jimmy Carter had a very peaceful administration. Why?, in part it was Carter, and in part, because people didn't want to go war. Then Reagan got in, and it gradually escalated, Beirut , Grenada, bombing Khadaffy, escalating to Iran contra etc.. In the future, the choice to not fight is always there. Keep in mind, the Democrats in the house voted solidly opposing going to war in Iraq. Now we've finally got a few right leaning people who have abandoned the neocons. Edited August 15, 2021 by Kirk Gallaway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 7 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said: Speaking of the media, the WaPo has never run a op-ed that spending >>>>> $6 trillion <<<<< in Iraqistan ............... that money could have been spent at home making US cities safe and prosperous. This fact explains the main reason America has fallen so low in the standard of living ratings of all the industrialized nations. We spend the majority of our financial resources on military muscle. And include trillions more on black budget ( no oversight ) expenditures. And it's been this way every year since the end of WW II. Tens of millions of Americans struggling in every way for decades ... but the excuse is always ...we just don't have the money? With just "1/3rd" the military/black budget monies the last 70 years, we could have free 4 year college for everyone wanting this, really good national health care including dental and mental health care, new schools and hospitals everywhere, tens of millions of good paying and benefited jobs, gotten millions of drug damaged children the help they need, massive infrastructure rebuilding ( including cities and poor states ) with millions of good jobs, revitalization of our rail system including passenger systems, saving all that car and jet fuel use and pollution, a great senior rest home and child care rebuilding and system...and on and on and on. We are and have been since the 1950s ... a super military rich and shamefully society needs poor nation. It's like parents with lots of children spending 2/3rds of the family income on muscle building equipment, home defense weapons, security cameras and detectors, mean guard dogs, self-defense and even aggressive offensive attack classes ... all while their kids and their kids basic needs are unmet to shameful degrees. Talk about mixed up, negligent and even paranoid priorities! But that's America. Way down the list on the world standard of living rating system...but baby, we got the meanest and most f---ing powerful military and secret government forces than any other country on this Earth ...so don't any of you mess with us. Who cares if tens of millions of our citizens including our young people and our older people are hurting with way too many of their most important basic needs unmet. Our muscle might is what's important, not our citizenry and their needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 We need to go back and re-read Mao's little red book. Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said: W: I'm not one to blame Trump or Biden for trying to get us out of the quagmire, Trump trying to get us out of the quagmire?? If he wanted to, he could have, in his first year in office back in 2017, just like Biden did. Whatever Trump's rhetoric, in the end he's blaming the withdrawal on the Democrats. That tells you how sincere he was about pulling out of Afghanistan. Just as the increased Intelligence and Defense budgets under Trump. W: What concerns me is whether the American public will get an honest, accurate appraisal of the 20 year Afghanistan War fiasco, "Honest, accurate appraisal?" In the final analysis, most people can see it's a 20 year war, that's probably going to end in images similar to the fleeing from Saigon in 1975. That's not going to be perceived as successful. As far as the "Rambo syndrone": The case that we could have bombed our way to victory as some alleged in Vietnam is not going to be swallowed in such a disfragmented ,tribal country and culture that foreign powers have been warring over for centuries. People aren't, at least that stupid. After 1975, Jimmy Carter had a very peaceful administration. Why?, in part it was Carter, and in part, because people didn't want to go war. Then Reagan got in, and it gradually escalated, Beirut , Grenada, bombing Khadaffy, escalating to Iran contra etc.. In the future, the choice to not fight is always there. Keep in mind, the Democrats in the house voted solidly opposing going to war in Iraq. Now we've finally got a few right leaning people who have abandoned the neocons. Kirk, Unfortunately, I sometimes visit a less scholarly forum where many Republicans are already blaming Joe Biden for the outcome of Bush and Cheney's 20 year war in Afghanistan. I mentioned "not blaming Trump and Biden for getting the U.S. out of the quagmire" in order to emphasize that it's absurd to fob the fall of Afghanistan off on Joe Biden. Edited August 15, 2021 by W. Niederhut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 (edited) Addendum: And, right on cue, Kirk, here's Rupert Murdoch's Wall Street Journal this morning --blaming Biden for Trump's 2020 Afghanistan withdrawal treaty with the Taliban. I predict we'll see a lot of this propaganda from the right wing media during the next few years. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-s-afghanistan-exit-raises-questions-about-his-foreign-policy-record/ar-AANlnMb?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531 Edited August 15, 2021 by W. Niederhut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Gallaway Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 (edited) President Ghani of Afghanistan has now fled the capital leaving it completely open for the Taliban. ******* Absolutely right W. As I said, Biden was going to take a lot of heat for this. It's sort of a cheap shot that the Republicans and the media are delivering. You notice none of them are coming out for a massive military action to fight back one last time to salvage the 20 years. Though Biden's going to send more troops to assist in evacuation, which is technically a blunder that they'll also thrash him for. A President does this in the first year of office, so he has plenty of time to recover in the next 3 years. In the case of Biden, he's hoping his covid relief package, infrastructure bill and relative vaccination success, (most people understand Biden's not going to hold much sway over people who simply refuse to get vaccinated) offset the 20 year foreign policy embarrassment. Trump could have done this in his first year and won some begrudging approval from Democrats and would have looked brilliant with Middle America for breaking up the "stalemate" in Washington. But despite his campaign rhetoric, he didn't. Obama, if he had listened to Biden, could have also and lay the historic responsibility of these occupations where it belongs, on the Republicans, who initiated them. But he ended saddling the Democrats to another pro war party, which is a perception with a sizable number of people, that lasts to this day. Edited August 15, 2021 by Kirk Gallaway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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