Hickey might have fired his AR15 -- members survey.

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

12 minutes ago, Karl Hilliard said:

Taken completely out of context ...I did not tell you to 'go away'.

Ok i will delete that bit.

[Ron Bulman]

On 8/2/2022 at 9:29 PM, Ty Carpenter said:

It is embarrassing. Hickey's are trash, just like this theory.

Ok, I was bragging.  It only happened twice.  They were a status symbol at that age.  Proof that at least a couple of girls were willing to kiss me, somewhat passionately, to my peers.  Maybe a little light petting.  Nothing trashy.  Though the theory is.

Stick around for the steel jam.

 

 

Edited August 8, 2022 by Ron Bulman

[Chris Davidson]

16 hours ago, Chris Davidson said:

The Queen Mary was 10" higher in the rear seat than the Limo. Was the windshield proportionately higher too?
 

 

 

 

 

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

6 hours ago, Chris Davidson said:

Strange -- Powers half standing, sitting up on the back of his jumpseat i think, no, i think in the back seat, sort of sitting up on the back of the seat -- 2 SSA on the right running board -- 1 SSA on the left running board -- 1 SSA in the right side of the rear seat, keeping lowish -- strange.

Edited August 8, 2022 by Marjan Rynkiewicz

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

I am going to have a close look at the 20 Bronson frames of the JFK saga, to see if we can see Hickey standing or falling or shooting.

Firstly, i made the following table to allow a better estimate of which Bronson frames might show the 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 shots fired by Hickey.

We know that there were at least 3 shots, koz 1 hit JFK in the head, 1 made a dent in the chrome strip, & 1 hit curb &/or tarmac & scratched Tague's cheek. I reckon that there were 4 shots, or more (1 hitting curb or tarmac or grass or the corner of the concrete underpass pillar behind Tague).

There are 20 Bronson frames showing the JFK limo for 1.5 seconds at the time of the Z313 JFK headshot --  i noticed that up to 6 frames were skipped or missing -- found by measuring the horizontal distances moved by the lamp-pole & sign post relative to Queen Mary -- i found  5 frames where the distance moved from the previous frame was double or triple the usual --my measurements were in mm, measured on the face of my computer monitor. In the table below i show the 20 frames plus 6 dummy frames (underlined) to show where the skips were.

In Column-6 the Zapruder frames are based on 18.3 fps versus the Bronson 12 fps (this 12 fps has never been verified i think) --

I assumed that Z313.000 was at B09.000, ie the standard story, but they might not be exactly synchronous.

There are 19 good frames, ie 18 intervals, which i assume to take 1.5 sec.

Adding dummy frames makes it 24 intervals in 1.5 sec.

I assumed that the dummy frames should be included in the 12 fps – hence there were 25 frames in 1.5 sec.

I assumed that the AR15 fires at 400 rpm (3 shots in 0.3 sec), which is 0.4167 shots per Bronson frame.

In Column-7 i assumed 2 possible scenarios….

Scenario-L -- that the last shot of Hickey's auto burst was at Z313 (likely), &

Scenario-F --  that the first shot was at Z313 (unlikely).

In Column-7 i assumed that in Scenario-L ….

…. shot-1 of a 5 shot burst was just before Bronson frame 02.

…. shot-5 of that burst was exactly at Z313 & B09.

And i assumed that in Scenario-F….

…. shot-1 of a 6 shot burst was exactly at Z313 & B09.

…. shot-6 of that burst was at B18.

If Hickey fired a 3 shot burst (instead of 5) then shot-1 in Scenario-L would be at what is shown as shot-3.

If Hickey fired a 3 shot burst (instead of 6) then shot-4 & 5 & 6 in Scenario-F would not have occurred.

Anyhow, i am looking at blow-ups of Bronson's frames – they are very blurry – it will take lots of time.

 

……. 1 ………….. 2 ………… 3 ……….. 4 ………………. 5 ………………….….. 6 ……………. 7 ………..

Bronson…. dist mm …. gap… 1.525 Zf/Bf…. 0.555 shot/Bf........ 1.144 Zf/Bf…  0.4167 shot/Bf
01 …………… 000 ……. 000…….Z296.225………. 0.999………….…. Z300.428….. 0.415
2a …….…..… 012 ……. 012…....Z297.750……...… 1.444………….…. Z301.572….. 0.832

………………………………………………………………………………………………………. shot-1

02 …………… 025 ……. 013….....Z299.275………. 2.000…………... Z302.715….. 1.249
03 ………..… 038 …….. 013……..Z300.800………. 2.555…….….…. Z303.859….. 1.666

……………………………………………………………………………………………………… shot-2
04 ………..… 049 …..… 011……..Z302.325…….... 3.111………..…. Z305.003…. 2.083
05 ………..… 061 ….…. 012……..Z303.850………. 3.666………..…. Z306.147….. 2.500
6a ..………. (072) …... (011)…….Z305.375…….…. 4.222………..…. Z307.291….. 2.916

……………………………………………………………………………………………………….. shot-3
06 ………..… 083 ….…. 011……..Z306.900………. 4.777………..…. Z308.434….. 3.333
07 ……….... 094.5 …... 011.5…..Z308.425………. 5.333………..…. Z309.578….. 3.750

…………………………………………………………………………………………………………. shot-4
8a ………... (105) ……. (010.5)….Z309.950………. 5.888………..…. Z310.712….. 4.166
08 ……….… 115.5 …… 010.5......Z311.475……….. 6.444……………. Z311.856….. 4.583

…………………………………………………………………………………………… shot-5  or  shot-1
09 ……..… 123.5 ….… 008…….…Z313.000…….... 1 or 7………....……. Z313……..… 1 or 5
10 ……….... 135 ……… 011.5…...Z314.525………. 1.555………..…. Z314.144….. 1.417
11 ……….… 145 ………. 010………Z316.050………. 2.111………..…. Z315.288….. 1.833

……………………………………………………………………………………………………….. shot-2
12a ………. (153) ……. (008)……..Z317.575……… 2.666……….….. Z316.431….. 2.250
12 ………… 162 …….... 009…….…Z319.100……… 3.222………..….. Z317.575….. 2.667

……………………………………………………………………………………………………….. shot-3
13 ………… 170 ………. 008……....Z320.625……… 3.777………..…. Z318.719….. 3.083
14 ………… 176.5 ……. 006.5…….Z322.150……… 4.333………..…. Z319.862….. 3.500
15a ………. (184) ……. (007.5)……Z323.675……. 4.888….…….….. Z321.006….. 3.917

……………………………………………………………………………………………………….. shot-4
15b ……… (192) …….. (008)……...Z325.200……. 5.444….…….…. Z322.150….. 4.333
15 ………… 201 …….…. 009……….Z326.725…….. 5.999….…….…. Z323.294….. 4.750

………………………………………………………………………………………………………… shot-5
16 ………… 210 …….…. 009……....Z328.250……. 6.555…….……... Z324.438….. 5.167
17 ………… 221 ……..…. 011…….....Z329.775….…. 7.111……..…..…. Z325.582….. 5.584

………………………………………………………………………………………………………….. shot-6
18 ………… 229 …….…. 008……....Z331.300…….. 7.666…….….…. Z326.726….. 6.000
19 ………… 235 ……….. 006……....Z332.825….…. 8.222………...…. Z327.870….. 6.417
20 ………... too blurry to be of any use.
 

The distances in Column-2 & Column-3 suggest that Queen Mary slowed to about half its initial speed.

I was looking for some sudden hard braking at about B01 B02 B03 B04 but there is nothing obvious.

Edited August 14, 2022 by Marjan Rynkiewicz

[Pete Mellor]

Marjan,

You have now posted approaching 60 posts on this thread of yours, which your title proposes is a 'members survey'.

On 7/31/2022 at 10:15 PM, Marjan Rynkiewicz said:

I reckon that Hickey fired an accidental auto burst of 4 or 5 or 6 shots with his AR15, & that the last shot hit jfk in the head at Z313, & (say) the first shot bloodied Tague. 

I am wondering which members agree that .....

1. Hickey fired at least one shot.

2. Hickey fired the fatal shot at Z313.

Anyone not agreeing with (1) or (2) need not answer -- a no answer is a no vote -- but comments & insults are welcome.

So, what are your results of this repetitious survey???  Also note that insults are NOT welcome by the admin. on this Forum.  As for Q's1 & 2 above, I did not answer.

You have posted your photo analysis and charts to bolster your belief in Hickey killing JFK, but have ignored so many aspects of happenings in Dealey Plaza.  What do you propose the men with rifles were doing in upper floor windows of the TSBD, seen by various witnesses?  What do you think caused such 'knoll witnesses' to feel shots coming from behind them?  Ditto the eyewitnesses on the underpass?  What do you think of the ear witnesses, none of whom were drawn to Hickey's AR-15?  Or the Kennedy men in the Queen Mary, who sensed nothing right behind their backs, while you propose Hickey was wildly spraying gun shots (the first bloodied Tague) all around the Plaza?  Or was O'Donnell and various S.S. men's belief in a shot from right front part of the cover-up?

So, finally what are your survey poll results, then you can put this thread to bed?

 

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

3 hours ago, Pete Mellor said:

Marjan,

You have now posted approaching 60 posts on this thread of yours, which your title proposes is a 'members survey'.

So, what are your results of this repetitious survey???  Also note that insults are NOT welcome by the admin. on this Forum.  As for Q's1 & 2 above, I did not answer.

You have posted your photo analysis and charts to bolster your belief in Hickey killing JFK, but have ignored so many aspects of happenings in Dealey Plaza.  What do you propose the men with rifles were doing in upper floor windows of the TSBD, seen by various witnesses?  What do you think caused such 'knoll witnesses' to feel shots coming from behind them?  Ditto the eyewitnesses on the underpass?  What do you think of the ear witnesses, none of whom were drawn to Hickey's AR-15?  Or the Kennedy men in the Queen Mary, who sensed nothing right behind their backs, while you propose Hickey was wildly spraying gun shots (the first bloodied Tague) all around the Plaza?  Or was O'Donnell and various S.S. men's belief in a shot from right front part of the cover-up?

So, finally what are your survey poll results, then you can put this thread to bed?

 

U missed seeing my earlier summary -- repeated below.

I dont understand your reference to insults.

Witnesses are a problem for anyone without a good BS meter.

U already have THE SMOKING GUN, u should also get MORTAL ERROR.

I will inspect the Bronson photos -- i think its ok to use this thread -- but i am ok with starting a new thread.

 

I think that 19 members voted No & No (or did not vote which is in effect a No & No).

I thort that some might vote Yes & Yes. Or at least Yes & No.

 

1. Vince Palamara –---- obscene dumb theory.

2. Pat Speer –----------- Hickey would have to be standing at Z313, not seen in Bronson.

3. Micah Mileto -------- its stuff like this that makes me seriously worry that one day…..

4. Larry Hancock ------- a truly bogus shooting scenario -- needs to be buried.

5. Lawrence Schnapf -– stupid – needs to be buried.

6. Ken Davies ------------ fantasy – no basis in fact – no evidence supports it.

7. Michael Davidson --- originally thort the book was ok, but now thinks there is a lack of support from witnesses.

8. Jeremy Bojczuk ------ ridiculous nonsense.

9. Joseph McBride ------ preposterous – a distraction.

10. Mark Knight ----------- no insider has ever come forward.

11. Denny Zartman ------- the Smoking Gun doc is naturally satisfying to lots of folks.

12. Tom Gram --------------  complete waste of time – should be allowed to die.

13. David Von Pein -------- absurd – the theory is bogus.

14. Chris Davidson -------- shows giff of Bronson showing Hickey seated.

15. Ty Carpenter ----------- Hickey theory is trash.

16. Pete Mellor ------------- just to get a reaction – the book Moral Error should be avoided.

17. Gerry Down ------------- did not vote – commented re Hickey's high seating pozzy.

18. Ron Bulman -------------- this thread was a Mortal Error.

19. Karl Hilliard --------------- a strange poll.

[Sean Coleman]

20. Sean Coleman……….not convinced marj 

[Dan Rice]

21. Dan Rice...........it's been debunked.

[Pete Mellor]

On 7/31/2022 at 10:15 PM, Marjan Rynkiewicz said:

but comments & insults are welcome.

A quote from your very first post on here.

[Pete Mellor]

6 hours ago, Marjan Rynkiewicz said:

I dont understand your reference to insults.

See above Marjan.

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

9 minutes ago, Pete Mellor said:

See above Marjan.

Yes i see what u mean -- re my saying that insults are welcome. I will keep my eye out for....

1. Uninterest signals
2. Boredom signals
3. Impatience signals
4. Superiority signals
5. Deformed-compliment signals
6. Mock-discomfort signals
7. Rejection signals
8. Mockery signals
9. Symbolic insults
10. Dirt signals

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

6 hours ago, Dan Rice said:

21. Dan Rice...........it's been debunked.

Debunking is based on 2 main factoids.

F1. Hickey needed to stand very high to do the dirty deed. No – i have shown that in his usual half-standing half-sitting pozzy the AR15 had to be up at about his chin, 1" or 2" above the top of the windshield -- & possibly much lower than this depending on how much nose-dive Queen Mary suffered during braking (the nose dive might drop the windshield say 2"). The top of JFK's head being 5" below the Queen Mary windshield (before the nose-dive)(the impact point being say 1" lower, ie 6" below the windshield).

F2. Bronson shows Hickey sitting at Z313 (ie about B09). In F1 i explain that Hickey's usual pozzy might do the trick if the Queen Mary nose-dive is severe (mass is over 4 tons if including 9 guys).

B11 – shows that Hickey is now sitting slightly lower than usual (koz he fell forward when Queen Mary braked)(& then back again) -- & B11 shows the AR15 clearly is pointing up at an 85 deg angle – whereas Hickey said that he grabbed the AR15 much later (a lie). So, Bronson's footage helps Hickeyists.

I am presently looking at blow-ups of Bronson frames (again) to see whether Hickey rises up before Z313

Edited August 13, 2022 by Marjan Rynkiewicz

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

5 hours ago, Sean Coleman said:

20. Sean Coleman……….not convinced marj 

I have MORTAL ERROR -- & THE SMOKING GUN -- full of great stuff. But they were stuck on there being only one AR15 shot -- i have shown that there were at least 3 AR15 shots. The strong smell of gunsmoke being the most powerful evidence i think that Hickey fired. No -- wrong -- the dent in the chrome trim is the most powerful evidence -- & last week i realized that this shot went under not over the roll-bar/divider.

And over a year ago i realized that Oswald's first shot ricocheted offa the west side of the west guy rod of the overhead signals, at about (pseudo) Z113. His 2nd shot, his last shot, was at about Z218 (the magic bullet).

Edited August 13, 2022 by Marjan Rynkiewicz

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

The Bronson 2017 frames are very blurry. Here are what i call frames B06 & B07 & B08 & B09 showing how Hickey has stood up about a half head in B06 & B07, ie a half head higher than his usual half-standing half-sitting pozzy on 2 leather cases on the back seat at which time the top of his head was level with the undersides of the chins of the SSAs standing on the running boards (Ready & Landis & McIntyre).

Then Hickey falls lower in B08, & then rises a tad in B09, as shown by the drawn heads.

B09 is they say nearnuff at Z313, the head-shot.

If the head-shot was the third shot of a 3-shot burst then the first shot might have been at just before B06.

Frame B05 was too blurry. These are the inferior 2017 copies of the Bronson frames (or they are more probly copies of the inferior 2017 copies).

 

I have also shown a superior 2019 copy of B09, from Weissman's report.

This i reckon shows a blurry AR15 sticking up at 50 deg, & swishing upwards i think, as Hickey comes to rest on the seat, having tried to stand fully up before B06, & having fallen forward when Queen Mary braked, at which time he accidentally fired an auto burst of his AR15, & he then fell back onto the seat at B09.

I think B09 must have been a little later than Z313, ie i think that Z313 might have been halfway between B08 & B09.

It’s a pity that the museum wont make public the 20 superior 2019 frames.

 

Anyhow, the 2017 Bronson frames (or the copies of thems copies) show that Hickey tried to stand fully up, & that he then fell. Game over. Thank u ball-boys & ball-girls. I will upload B06 B07 B08 B09 & the superior B09(2019) as permitted.

 

 

Edited August 14, 2022 by Marjan Rynkiewicz