NEW book "Killing Kennedy: Exposing the Plot, the Cover-Up, and the Consequences" by Jack Roth- sounds really good!

[Joe Bauer]

15 hours ago, Denny Zartman said:

Killing Kennedy - Book by Jack Roth, 2022

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The researchers:

 

David Mantik

Doctor, physicist, and author, made detailed studies of the autopsy X-rays and Zapruder film.

 

Larry Rivera

Engineer, author of "The JFK Horsemen", photo analysis and motorcade motorcycle escort officers expert.

 

Phil Nelson

Author of several non-fiction books, including "LBJ: The Mastermind Of The JFK Assassination" and "LBJ: From Mastermind To Colossus."

 

William Matson Law

Author of "In The Eye Of History" interviewed key witnesses to JFK's autopsy.

 

Vince Palamara

Author of several JFK books and the foremost civilian expert on the Secret Service.

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New Orleans Summer of 1963:

 

Ed Haslam Jr.

Author "Dr. Mary's Monkey" about Oswald, David Ferrie, and Mary Sherman, a JFK mistress murdered in New Orleans in 1964.

 

Judyth Vary Baker

Scientist, author of "Me And Lee", claims to have been Oswald's mistress and partner in cancer research with Oswald and David Ferrie.

 

Victoria Sulzer

High school classmate of Lee Harvey Oswald, friend of Mary Sherman.

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My father was in the CIA:

 

Saint John Hunt

Son of Watergate figure E. Howard Hunt, who late in life claimed low-level involvement in the JFKA. 

 

Peter Janney

Son of CIA official Wistar Janney and author of "Mary's Mosaic" about childhood friend, ex-CIA wife, and JFK mistress Mary Pinchot Meyer.

 

Chana Willis

Daughter of Navy photographic intelligence officer Freddie Philmon "Phil" Spainhouer, who allegedly filmed the assassination from another angle.

 

Kris Millegan

Son of CIA branch chief Lloyd S. Millegan, studies secret societies like Skull and Bones. During World War 2, Lloyd worked in CIA psychological warfare with Edward Lansdale.

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Two little girls:

 

Toni Glover

Dealey Plaza witness, 11 at the time.

 

Pat Hall

Owner of the Oswald Rooming House Museum in Dallas, Texas, 11 at the time of the assassination, knew Oswald.

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Deep State and Fourth Estate:

 

Peter Dale Scott

Author of "Dallas '63" and other books, expert on covert operations by the US Government.

 

Donald Jeffries

Author of "Hidden History" and "Bullyocracy", expert on US political crimes and cover-ups.

 

Jefferson Morley

Author of "Our Man In Mexico" and "The Ghost", veteran Washington D.C. journalist.

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Psychological Philosophical and Social Perspectives:

 

Frances Shure

Counselor and adjunct university instructor at Naropa University in Boulder, Colorado, specializing in psychology.

 

Lee Basham

Philosopher and professor at South Texas College and the University of Texas Rio Grande Valley.

 

Dorothy Lorig

Councilor and psychologist.

 

David Denton

Social science instructor at Olney Central College in Illinois, teaches a course on political assassinations of the 1960's.

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Keeping the story alive:

 

Lorien Fenton

JFK conference producer and podcast host.

 

Jeffrey Holmes

Leads a Lee Harvey Oswald tour in New Orleans, Louisiana.

 

Randolph Benson

Filmmaker, "The Searchers", documentary about JFK researchers.

Thank you Denny for taking considerable time and effort to breakdown and list Roth's book and other's research sources.

Gives one a real heads up on the documentation credibility meat of his book, without having to buy it on blind faith.

 

[Joe Bauer]

14 minutes ago, Michael Griffith said:

O'Reilly's book is just plain awful. His book Killing the Rising Sun is even worse, inexcusably worse. 

I read that O'Reilly got a million dollar advance for his generic resource "Killing Kennedy" book.

True?

Talk about easy money.

Edited March 16, 2023 by Joe Bauer

[David Andrews]

18 minutes ago, Michael Griffith said:

O'Reilly's book is just plain awful. His book Killing the Rising Sun is even worse, inexcusably worse. 

It's what O'Reilly gets for not writing them, and not reading them.

[Vince Palamara]

7 hours ago, Michael Griffith said:

O'Reilly's book is just plain awful. His book Killing the Rising Sun is even worse, inexcusably worse. 

Agreed!

[James DiEugenio]

This book, and I hate disagreeing with VInce, is pretty bad.

I read it weeks ago, and I do not even want to review it.  Even though I took 18 pages of notes over three days.

If you could interview anyone about the JFK case, why on earth would you inlcude:

Judy Baker

Phil Nelson

Peter Janney?

And Janney and his Mary Meyer fantasy is the longest interview in the book.  I mean, in the wake of the ARRB? 

 

[Vince Palamara]

8 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

This book, and I hate disagreeing with VInce, is pretty bad.

I read it weeks ago, and I do not even want to review it.  Even though I took 18 pages of notes over three days.

If you could interview anyone about the JFK case, why on earth would you inlcude:

Judy Baker

Phil Nelson

Peter Janney?

And Janney and his Mary Meyer fantasy is the longest interview in the book.  I mean, in the wake of the ARRB? 

 

To be fair: a) I was biased, as I have a chapter in the book (you better have liked that one, Jim haha!) and b) I STOPPED reading about 40 percent into the book, so perhaps I tacitly agree with you to a point. I really liked the first part, then I lost interest.

[Denny Zartman]

I had already forgotten about it as life has been busy. Here are a few of my notes from the book.

Larry Rivera believes he has proven it is Roscoe White's body in the backyard photos. I'm not clear exactly how, since he mentions pupillary distance, and I'm not sure how he determined that from Oswald's face.

There is a brief mention of a mock JFK trial held in Houston in 2017, but no more detail. I've since learned that there have been seven mock trials? That's totally new to me. I had only been aware of one.

Larry Rivera mentions an author named Fred Newcomb, who wrote a book with Perry Adams in 1971 called "Murder From Within" Newcomb interviewed a number of witnesses, and Rivera has heard the tapes of these interviews. Apparently multiple police officers at the scene say the Zapruder film doesn't reflect what they saw that day. Other than that, there's not much more detail about what's on these tapes.

Rivera believes alternate patsies were Buell Wesley Frazier, another TSBD employee named Joe Molina, and Billy Lovelady, and that these alternate patsies explain the different "mistaken" identifications of the assassination rifle. Rivera also believes Bill Shelley was Oswald's handler.

The interview with William Matson Law was good. Law sounds genuine. I'm a fan of his work. One interesting tidbit I hadn't heard before: Law says he spoke with Marina on the phone and that Marina told him that she took the backyard photos, but that Lee was holding something other than a rifle. She doesn't specify what it was.

I know Judyth Vary Baker is controversial and that many doubt her. When considering the whole case, I mentally edit her out of the equation, like I do with Beverly Oliver. So, I haven't looked into Baker's story closely. She seems to have convinced some researchers that she's genuine. I don't know what evidence they're basing their belief on. I can only assume it's more than just her word. But in this interview one of the things she claims is that James Angleton was Oswald's direct handler, and I have a tremendous difficulty believing this was the case. I want to be fair, but honestly there were more than a few things she said that made me feel skeptical.

Edited March 25, 2023 by Denny Zartman

[Denny Zartman]

A few more notes on the book:

I asked Jefferson Morley about Chana Willis. Willis claims that late in his life her father Freddie Philmon Spainhouer told her that he had led a Naval photo intelligence team in Dealey Plaza, and that Oswald was part of that team. Morley shot it all down immediately. Willis is apparently in the process of writing a book. In her "Killing Kennedy" interview she claims her father taught her photo manipulation techniques in a sub-basement of the Dallas Police station. I imagine details like that would be fairly easy to verify, which would go some way in judging her basic honesty. I'd go along with doubting her at this point, but her story is interesting and sometimes sounds plausible. Also, I have a nagging recollection of reading something long ago about a JFK film shot from another angle. My memory is that it was a brief scene from a short story or novel but I could be wrong on that. So, in my view jury's out on Willis until we see what kind of evidence she may have to back up the story about her father.

Saint John Hunt is a different story, because his father was unquestionably an insider involved with clandestine criminal political activity. E. Howard Hunt has also been linked with the JFK assassination outside of Saint John's claims.

Kris Millegan, who has done extensive studies on secret societies, is the son of Lloyd S. Millegan, former CIA branch chief. Kris believes that Edward Lansdale was a key planner of the JFKA.

Toni Glover, who was eleven years old at the time of the assassination had a very interesting little thing she said in passing. She claims to have woken early on the 22nd to get the newspaper and find out the final route of the presidential motorcade. Was the final route of the motorcade really not publicly known until the morning of the 22nd? If so, then doesn't that blow a hole in the lone assassin theory?

Glover recalls the man with the seizure and that the ambulance arrived a few minutes before JFK. She also says that the first shot was not recognizable to her as a rifle shot, while the second shot definitely was.

Pat Hall's grandmother owned & rented Oswald the room at North Beckley. Hall was also eleven at the time, and remembers Oswald as a friendly and gentle person who would stop what he was doing and play with the kids. She also claims Oswald stopped a fight between her brothers and admonished them against the use of violence.

[Ron Bulman]

11 minutes ago, Denny Zartman said:

A few more notes on the book:

I asked Jefferson Morley about Chana Willis. Willis claims that late in his life her father Freddie Philmon Spainhouer told her that he had led a Naval photo intelligence team in Dealey Plaza, and that Oswald was part of that team. Morley shot it all down immediately. Willis is apparently in the process of writing a book. In her "Killing Kennedy" interview she claims her father taught her photo manipulation techniques in a sub-basement of the Dallas Police station. I imagine details like that would be fairly easy to verify, which would go some way in judging her basic honesty. I'd go along with doubting her at this point, but her story is interesting and sometimes sounds plausible. Also, I have a nagging recollection of reading something long ago about a JFK film shot from another angle. My memory is that it was a brief scene from a short story or novel but I could be wrong on that. So, in my view jury's out on Willis until we see what kind of evidence she may have to back up the story about her father.

Saint John Hunt is a different story, because his father was unquestionably an insider involved with clandestine criminal political activity. E. Howard Hunt has also been linked with the JFK assassination outside of Saint John's claims.

Kris Millegan, who has done extensive studies on secret societies, is the son of Lloyd S. Millegan, former CIA branch chief. Kris believes that Edward Lansdale was a key planner of the JFKA.

Toni Glover, who was eleven years old at the time of the assassination had a very interesting little thing she said in passing. She claims to have woken early on the 22nd to get the newspaper and find out the final route of the presidential motorcade. Was the final route of the motorcade really not publicly known until the morning of the 22nd? If so, then doesn't that blow a hole in the lone assassin theory?

Glover recalls the man with the seizure and that the ambulance arrived a few minutes before JFK. She also says that the first shot was not recognizable to her as a rifle shot, while the second shot definitely was.

Pat Hall's grandmother owned & rented Oswald the room at North Beckley. Hall was also eleven at the time, and remembers Oswald as a friendly and gentle person who would stop what he was doing and play with the kids. She also claims Oswald stopped a fight between her brothers and admonished them against the use of violence.

Sorry Denny, not to belittle, I respect your words.  But that next to last sentence triggered my memory.  He used to take me fishing, throw the football to me, he was a friend of mine. 

 

[Denny Zartman]

I think these are my last notes I can give on this book.

Donald Jeffries, author of "Hidden History", thinks McGeorge Bundy's drafting of NSAM 273 on November 21 is a giveaway to Bundy's involvement on some level. It seems to raise the obvious question: who, exactly, instructed Bundy to draft NSAM 273?

Randolph Benson, director of the documentary "The Searchers" gave me a lot to think about. Benson says his father was a fighter pilot at the time of the JFK assassination, and according to Benson's account, jets were not scrambled. Benson says his father knew right away that the assassination involved the highest levels of government because fighter jets would have been put on alert at the slightest provocation. I agree that, if it's true that jets were not scrambled immediately after the assassination, it's telling - especially considering that (from what I understand) Lyndon Johnson invoked the spectre of a possible international conspiracy the moment after he was told he was the new president. The assassination should have triggered a high military alert. If it didn't, in my view it's a powerful clue as to who was responsible.

[Denny Zartman]

32 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

Sorry Denny, not to belittle, I respect your words.  But that next to last sentence triggered my memory.  He used to take me fishing, throw the football to me, he was a friend of mine. 

 

Wow. Very cool, Ron. Thank you for posting it. That's fascinating to find out there's a song that backs up part of Hall's story, right down to the street. I hadn't heard that song before. I wonder how it came to be written?

[Ron Bulman]

13 minutes ago, Denny Zartman said:

Wow. Very cool, Ron. Thank you for posting it. That's fascinating to find out there's a song that backs up part of Hall's story, right down to the street. I hadn't heard that song before. I wonder how it came to be written?

Well Denny, I think Homer Henderson wrote it.  But it's impossible it's autobiographical.  LHO didn't live in Dallas in the 50's.  Though this does show the street sign if you pay attention.   Here's his version.

 

[Denny Zartman]

33 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

LHO didn't live in Dallas in the 50's.

It seems the narrator of the song says he was born in 1952, which would make him 11 at the time Oswald was living at Beckley. Remarkable coincidence that it would be the same age as Glover and Hall.

Edited March 25, 2023 by Denny Zartman

[James DiEugenio]

There was one really interesting aspect that came through.

A reporter for WDSU told one interview subject that on the day that Oswald was leafleting, I think on Canal, that incident was on the reporting agenda when he came in that day--in other words before it happened!

Man, if that is true.  And you add in that thing about Shaw's aide de camp Jesse Core picking up a leaflet from Oswald on Canal and forwarding it to the FBI because it had Banister's address on it.  Right in advance of the ITM incident.

Again, if the WDSU story is true, that station was really like a CIA outpost.

Edited March 25, 2023 by James DiEugenio

[George Govus]

4 hours ago, Denny Zartman said:

if it's true that jets were not scrambled immediately after the assassination, it's telling - especially considering that (from what I understand) Lyndon Johnson invoked the spectre of a possible international conspiracy the moment after he was told he was the new president. The assassination should have triggered a high military alert. If it didn't, in my view it's a powerful clue as to who was responsible.

Larry Hancock advised me in the recent thread here to do with LeMay that Hancock's book Sneak Attack includes a section about the U.S. military response to the JFK assassination. I was hoping to find a smoking gun there.

A few years agoI was visiting relatives, standing behind my parked car with the Randolph Benson "The Searchers" bumper sticker image of JFK on it. My brother-in-law, a naturalized West German, spotted it and he volunteered that he was in the German military on 22 November 1963. The West German government, he said, placed its forces on high alert.