Benjamin Cole Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 (edited) DJ-- Oh, even I am unconvinced by my storyline. It is just what I suspect. I suspect LHO was being primed by David Atlee Phillips to participate in a false flag and intentionally failed JFKA, to be blamed on Cuba. The Walker shooting was a practice session. Ergo the LHO biography build, and planting of some info pre-JFKA. After the JFKA, some evidence manipulation. Witness the very dubious Walker Bullet-CE573. I think Newman calls this the WWIII virus, and seems also intended to shut down a true investigation into the JFKA, as it might start WWIII. LBJ said so the Chief Warren. BTW, the CIA intel community may have made a habit of working with eccentric or unstable people/assets. Such people could be regarded as expendable and also offer plausible deniability. Richard Nagell may have been such an asset. Nagell himself seems unable to separate wheat from chaff (did he send a pre-JFKA letter to Hoover or not? Nagell wrote to Senator Russell he was not sure). LHO, though likely of more sound mind than Nagell, was also eccentric in some regards. If my suspicions are correct, LHO took an intentionally failed potshot at Walker. Who agrees to go along with such a scheme? But, as usual, just IMHO... PS I am intimidated by your documents.... Edited May 9, 2023 by Benjamin Cole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said: I suspect LHO was being primed by David Atlee Phillips to participate in a false flag and intentionally failed JFKA, to be blamed on Cuba. The Walker shooting was a practice session. Ergo the LHO biography build, and planting of some info pre-JFKA. I hear you on this but... that seems to me way more information than Oswald would ever need to know. Alvarado (red headed negro and $6500) was a Phillips asset imo doing what he was supposed to do for that Cuban end game. (intimidating doc # 1) Most people are aware but don't incorporate Tampa, and Arthur Valle from Chicago in the weeks prior to Dallas. Failed assassination plans. "The Chicago Plot" is available online as a download I believe and is worth the effort. the below reports on him and the distancing from LHO - deny deny deny - leads me to my comment What if they got him in Chicago and VALLEE is our OSWALD? The sheep-dipping can be made to look like it's been going on for as long as they want it to look and we'd be having these discussion about the mental ex-marine with an arsenal taking out JFK all on his own... How does that play into your scenario ? Ponder this... all the activities that Oswald engaged in had the dual purpose of establishing his bona fides in the circles he was traveling to gather the info he was gathering on left and right Cuban groups AND should it be necessary, these same bona fides can get turned on him as a Castro sympathizer - FPCC - who killed JFK in a plot organizer by Castro.. cue Alvarado... let's go blow up Cuba. I think that may have been part of the reason the CIA planted him in Mexico when he was really doing FBI work in New Orleans and Dallas. 1. to shut the FBI up and 2. to make it look like he was trying to get to Cuba giving him even more bone fides with the Cubans in the know. Cue the credits as the music grows in intensity... https://kevinjshay44.medium.com/documents-confirm-arrest-of-suspect-in-plot-to-kill-jfk-in-chicago-three-weeks-before-dallas-721c9ee8f52a. http://www.thechicagoplot.com/The Chicago Plot.pdf (this too could have just been false flag to make it look like a number of Lone Nut marines were looking to kill JFK so, believe us when we tell you, Ozzie was just another Lone Nut with no connection to anyone especially the intelligence community). Edited May 9, 2023 by David Josephs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 Gimme some time to read these docs. I am still a worker-bee and off I go to make the big moolah.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 I’m on board with David - the military were likely prime movers. Unherd, a British podcast type interview show had a great one with RFK Jr. One of the most significant portions of It was his explanation for why he has been on Fox with many of their anchors over the years. He is not endorsing Fox, he is attempting to reach and reason with their audience. He thinks his support is coming largely from what he calls ‘populists’ on both left and right. That makes him a formidable candidate, most especially in a general election against a Republican. That’s the real reason why Bannon and others are trying to make it look like his candidacy was their idea. They are trying to weaken his support on the Left by tainting him with their brush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Paul Brancato said: I’m on board with David - the military were likely prime movers. Unherd, a British podcast type interview show had a great one with RFK Jr. One of the most significant portions of It was his explanation for why he has been on Fox with many of their anchors over the years. He is not endorsing Fox, he is attempting to reach and reason with their audience. He thinks his support is coming largely from what he calls ‘populists’ on both left and right. That makes him a formidable candidate, most especially in a general election against a Republican. That’s the real reason why Bannon and others are trying to make it look like his candidacy was their idea. They are trying to weaken his support on the Left by tainting him with their brush. Paul, great to see you... I hope you're well as is the rest of your universe. I've been remiss in staying in touch, I plan to remedy that.. I'd have to believe the populace is so thirsty for some integrity, common sense, and intelligence that Jr. is not just a viable alternative, but the only alternative. What troubles me is the same populace buying into the "CIA did all the bad things the US has done" mentality while forgetting Ike wasn't talking about THEM but the Military Industrial Congressional Complex ( I add Congressional as I seem to remember that Ike wanted to include it but was taken off that path for being too close to a bigger truth) I don't have those worries. Even Jr. would not be crazy enough to bring them into the conversation.... Say bad dog to the doberman chained to the fence out front but don't you dare start talking about the multi-national's profits enabling them to own everything from food to war to banks to us. As an aside - much talk about Russia floating around with a bunch of Big Brains one-upping each other, yet not a word is mentioned about George Kennan or his writings. The LONG Telegram & 1948's The Sources of Soviet Conduct Or is my going to the source just too simple and naive? Same as it every was.... Moscow, February 22, 1946 Answer to Dept's 284, Feb 3 [13] involves questions so intricate, so delicate, so strange to our form of thought, and so important to analysis of our international environment that I cannot compress answers into single brief message without yielding to what I feel would be dangerous degree of over-simplification. I hope, therefore, Dept will bear with me if I submit in answer to this question five parts, subjects of which will be roughly as follows: (1) Basic features of post-war Soviet outlook. (2) Background of this outlook (3) Its projection in practical policy on official level. (4) Its projection on unofficial level. (5) Practical deductions from standpoint of US policy. I apologize in advance for this burdening of telegraphic channel; but questions involved are of such urgent importance, particularly in view of recent events, that our answers to them, if they deserve attention at all, seem to me to deserve it at once. There follows Part 1: Basic Features of Post War Soviet Outlook, as Put Forward by Official Propaganda Machine Are as Follows: (a) USSR still lives in antagonistic "capitalist encirclement" with which in the long run there can be no permanent peaceful coexistence. As stated by Stalin in 1927 to a delegation of American workers: "In course of further development of international revolution there will emerge two centers of world significance: a socialist center, drawing to itself the countries which tend toward socialism, and a capitalist center, drawing to itself the countries that incline toward capitalism. Battle between these two centers for command of world economy will decide fate of capitalism and of communism in entire world." (b) Capitalist world is beset with internal conflicts, inherent in nature of capitalist society. These conflicts are insoluble by means of peaceful compromise. Greatest of them is that between England and US. (c) Internal conflicts of capitalism inevitably generate wars. Wars thus generated may be of two kinds: intra-capitalist wars between two capitalist states, and wars of intervention against socialist world. Smart capitalists, vainly seeking escape from inner conflicts of capitalism, incline toward latter. (d) Intervention against USSR, while it would be disastrous to those who undertook it, would cause renewed delay in progress of Soviet socialism and must therefore be forestalled at all costs. (e) Conflicts between capitalist states, though likewise fraught with danger for USSR, nevertheless hold out great possibilities for advancement of socialist cause, particularly if USSR remains militarily powerful, ideologically monolithic and faithful to its present brilliant leadership. (f) It must be borne in mind that capitalist world is not all bad. In addition to hopelessly reactionary and bourgeois elements, it includes (1) certain wholly enlightened and positive elements united in acceptable communistic parties and (2) certain other elements (now described for tactical reasons as progressive or democratic) whose reactions, aspirations and activities happen to be "objectively" favorable to interests of USSR These last must be encouraged and utilized for Soviet purposes. (g) Among negative elements of bourgeois-capitalist society, most dangerous of all are those whom Lenin called false friends of the people, namely moderate-socialist or social-democratic leaders (in other words, non-Communist left-wing). These are more dangerous than out-and-out reactionaries, for latter at least march under their true colors, whereas moderate left-wing leaders confuse people by employing devices of socialism to seine interests of reactionary capital. <SNIP> (final paragraphs - no longer words of Stalin's speech but Keenan's analysis) But I would like to record my conviction that problem is within our power to solve--and that without recourse to any general military conflict.. And in support of this conviction there are certain observations of a more encouraging nature I should like to make: (1) Soviet power, unlike that of Hitlerite Germany, is neither schematic nor adventunstic. It does not work by fixed plans. It does not take unnecessary risks. Impervious to logic of reason, and it is highly sensitive to logic of force. For this reason it can easily withdraw--and usually does when strong resistance is encountered at any point. Thus, if the adversary has sufficient force and makes clear his readiness to use it, he rarely has to do so. If situations are properly handled there need be no prestige-engaging showdowns. (2) Gauged against Western World as a whole, Soviets are still by far the weaker force. Thus, their success will really depend on degree of cohesion, firmness and vigor which Western World can muster. And this is factor which it is within our power to influence. (3) Success of Soviet system, as form of internal power, is not yet finally proven. It has yet to be demonstrated that it can survive supreme test of successive transfer of power from one individual or group to another. Lenin's death was first such transfer, and its effects wracked Soviet state for 15 years. After Stalin's death or retirement will be second. But even this will not be final test. Soviet internal system will now be subjected, by virtue of recent territorial expansions, to series of additional strains which once proved severe tax on Tsardom. We here are convinced that never since termination of civil war have mass of Russian people been emotionally farther removed from doctrines of Communist Party than they are today. In Russia, party has now become a great and--for the moment--highly successful apparatus of dictatorial administration, but it has ceased to be a source of emotional inspiration. Thus, internal soundness and permanence of movement need not yet be regarded as assured. (4) All Soviet propaganda beyond Soviet security sphere is basically negative and destructive. It should therefore be relatively easy to combat it by any intelligent and really constructive program. For those reasons I think we may approach calmly and with good heart problem of how to deal with Russia. As to how this approach should be made, I only wish to advance, by way of conclusion, following comments: (1) Our first step must be to apprehend, and recognize for what it is, the nature of the movement with which we are dealing. We must study it with same courage, detachment, objectivity, and same determination not to be emotionally provoked or unseated by it, with which doctor studies unruly and unreasonable individual. (2) We must see that our public is educated to realities of Russian situation. I cannot over-emphasize importance of this. Press cannot do this alone. It must be done mainly by Government, which is necessarily more experienced and better informed on practical problems involved. In this we need not be deterred by [ugliness?] of picture. I am convinced that there would be far less hysterical anti-Sovietism in our country today if realities of this situation were better understood by our people. There is nothing as dangerous or as terrifying as the unknown. It may also be argued that to reveal more information on our difficulties with Russia would reflect unfavorably on Russian-American relations. I feel that if there is any real risk here involved, it is one which we should have courage to face, and sooner the better. But I cannot see what we would be risking. Our stake in this country, even coming on heels of tremendous demonstrations of our friendship for Russian people, is remarkably small. We have here no investments to guard, no actual trade to lose, virtually no citizens to protect, few cultural contacts to preserve. Our only stake lies in what we hope rather than what we have; and I am convinced we have better chance of realizing those hopes if our public is enlightened and if our dealings with Russians are placed entirely on realistic and matter-of-fact basis. (3) Much depends on health and vigor of our own society. World communism is like malignant parasite which feeds only on diseased tissue. This is point at which domestic and foreign policies meets Every courageous and incisive measure to solve internal problems of our own society, to improve self-confidence, discipline, morale and community spirit of our own people, is a diplomatic victory over Moscow worth a thousand diplomatic notes and joint communiqués. If we cannot abandon fatalism and indifference in face of deficiencies of our own society, Moscow will profit--Moscow cannot help profiting by them in its foreign policies. (4) We must formulate and put forward for other nations a much more positive and constructive picture of sort of world we would like to see than we have put forward in past. It is not enough to urge people to develop political processes similar to our own. Many foreign peoples, in Europe at least, are tired and frightened by experiences of past, and are less interested in abstract freedom than in security. They are seeking guidance rather than responsibilities. We should be better able than Russians to give them this. And unless we do, Russians certainly will. (5) Finally we must have courage and self-confidence to cling to our own methods and conceptions of human society. After All, the greatest danger that can befall us in coping with this problem of Soviet communism, is that we shall allow ourselves to become like those with whom we are coping. KENNAN Edited May 9, 2023 by David Josephs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 It’s getting some attention, putting JFK back in the public consciousness, that skeleton in the closet that just go away. Interesting they are showing polls on what the public think in terms of who they think killed JFK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Thorne Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 Interesting to see the Douglass book name-checked by the hosts above. As of right now, JFK AND THE UNSPEAKABLE is now at #21 out of all books on Amazon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, Anthony Thorne said: Interesting to see the Douglass book name-checked by the hosts above. As of right now, JFK AND THE UNSPEAKABLE is now at #21 out of all books on Amazon. I feel this is quite encouraging. Thats a marvellous book to start people on the JFKA journey. It left me feeling deeply sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 RFK Jr has been recommending the book for several years now. First time I heard him mention it was in Dallas with Charlie Rose. David - nice to see you back and read your posts. Indeed Ike did at first include Congressional in that quoted passage. I’ve heard about Kennan’s statements before, but this is the first time I’ve read his words. He concludes with the very prescription that jfk followed. It seems painfully obvious that the West could easily win a ‘war’ of ideas. The fact that other forces won that early debate reveals the true purposes of the MICC - perpetual profitable war. JFK sought peace. When critics say no peace with Communist nations is possible they feed into the myth of military solutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 That is wonderful that the Douglass book is soaring that high on Amazon. This is how Bobby discovered it. He was waiting in the green room for a talk at a New York function. The book was there and so he picked it up and read a few pages while he was waiting. He then ordered it and loved it. He called up Jim and congratulated him on it. And they did an article for Rolling Stone for the 50th I think based on the Peace Speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 (edited) I just checked, the Douglass book is now number 7 in sales, paperback. I agree with Bobby and Jim that the CIA was the main engine in the assassination. I think the Pentagon came in at Bethesda. My only real dispute with Jim's book is that I disagree with the thesis that Kennedy turned at the Missile Crisis. In my view, his ideas about foreign policy were formed when he went into the office. This is why Oliver, in his film, placed a lot of emphasis on the Algeria speech. Which Bobby talks about in the long version. WABC is a really big deal in NYC. And I disagree that Bobby is pushing this. He was asked about it and he replied honestly. Edited May 9, 2023 by James DiEugenio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Thorne Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 At Amazon Australia the book is #129 and has 'Best Seller" listed alongside it. Amazon US still has it at #7. It looks like RFK Jr's comments about it have encouraged people to buy it worldwide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 BTW, the Donks may start to warm up to RFK Jr. Biden trails behind Trump and DeSantis in 2024 general election matchups: Poll Ken Tran USA TODAY The rank and file may decide to vote the Kennedy. This 2024 election could be a nightmare for the intel-state. You might get Trump back int he White House, who might open up the JFK Records as he plans to retire after one-term anyway, or you might get RFK Jr., who likely will open up the records. Expect the feculent media firehoses to be directed at both candidates... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Blackmon Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 RFK Jr. doubles down on allegation CIA involved in JFK's assassination: '60-year cover-up' | Fox News Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Griffith Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 (edited) On 5/7/2023 at 4:09 PM, David Josephs said: I'm here in the Northeast... other than for it's quality Sports writers, the Post is regarded as quite the rag. Is it amazing though how the GOP is the spearhead for transparency at this point... The CIA was not in the room at Bethesda. The CIA didn't order the doctors to do what they did and not do what they should have. It's easy to blame the CIA, they are the doberman gnarling its teeth and barking while its Military Masters remain hidden and safe within their own world of justice and accountability. If the CIA was involved - which they were - it was at the direction of Military masters. At least that's the conclusion I'm drawn to after my time digging. Most liberals everywhere regard the NY Post as a "rag," even though its journalism is better than that of most left-leaning newspapers. I agree that RFK Jr.'s focus on the CIA as the chief culprit is overly simplistic. Plus, this is not the kind of stuff he needs to be saying right now if he hopes to be taken seriously as a candidate. If he had limited his comment to saying that he believes JFK was killed by a conspiracy, without naming the CIA as the chief suspect, his comment would not have been nearly as controversial or newsworthy. Some of the best evidence regarding suspects points to the Mafia. We should keep in mind, however, that in several government-sponsored assassinations and attempted assassinations, the Mafia was the hired gun, not the mastermind, although the Kennedys' war on the Mafia may well have prompted the Mafia to play a more active role in the case of JFK's death. Yet, there is also credible evidence that points to the involvement of powerful rogue elements of the CIA. My own belief is that several powerful groups combined to assassinate JFK and then to cover up the crime. Edited May 9, 2023 by Michael Griffith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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