Deletion of valid JFKA thread by mods

[Cliff Varnell]

7 minutes ago, Gerry Down said:

You're not suggesting you can decipher 1/8 of an inch off blurry Dealey plaza photos are you?

Bullet defect in the shirt -- 4" below the bottom of the collar.

Bullet defect in the jacket -- 4 & 1/8" below the bottom of the collar.

 

[Gerry Down]

3 minutes ago, Cliff Varnell said:

Bullet defect in the shirt -- 4" below the bottom of the collar.

Bullet defect in the jacket -- 4 & 1/8" below the bottom of the collar.

 

That's close enough for me. It sounds like the one bullet passed through both.

[Cliff Varnell]

2 minutes ago, Gerry Down said:

That's close enough for me. It sounds like the one bullet passed through both.

Of course one bullet passed through both -- at the level of the 3rd thoracic vertebra.  Too low to associate with the throat wound.

[Ron Bulman]

14 hours ago, Cliff Varnell said:

Of course one bullet passed through both -- at the level of the 3rd thoracic vertebra.  Too low to associate with the throat wound.

Naw Cliff, yew know better.  It did go in at T-3, then hit a bone turning upward then going out the incoming throat wound identified by the experienced Dr. Perry 3X on 11/22 obliterating it, as evidenced in the death stare photo.  Then, to coin a term (Ha!), it Magically turned downward to Connally's arm pit, broke a rib, punctured a lung went out near the right nipple and on to the right radius of tall, big boned Connally.  Which it smashed, embedding itself into JC's thigh.  Then falling out on his stretcher.  In pristine condition.  There we have CE399.  Arlen Specter, and Gerald Ford's Single Bullett Theory.

As opposed to CE856.  The exact same type of bullet, fired from "Oswald's" rifle into a human cadaver wrist by Our government.  It is severely distorted from this one wound alone.  Much less the bone in JFK''s back necessary for the deflection, or JBC's rib.  Pictures illustrate this, the difference in bullets.  Maybe I'll dig for them tomorrow, unless someone else wants to do so now.

In memory of Dr. Wecht, who inspected the coat and shirt and bullets at the National Archives.

Edited July 19 by Ron Bulman

[Joe Bauer]

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Taking a shot at a POTUS is a rare occurrence. Not all of them are conspiracies.

I doubt this one was.

[Pete Mellor]

On 7/19/2024 at 1:13 AM, Cliff Varnell said:

Bullet defect in the shirt -- 4" below the bottom of the collar.

Bullet defect in the jacket -- 4 & 1/8" below the bottom of the collar.

 

😆 Keep pushing this Cliff.  The truth will out!

[Bill Brown]

On 7/18/2024 at 6:08 AM, Gil Jesus said:

And there's video of Crooks on the roof before the shooting. People yelling about him with a gun on the roof. His shooting spree is interrupted by a local police officer. Finally, he's killed on the spot.

There's no comparison with Lee Harvey Oswald there.

You have the same old Lone Nut die-hards trying to compare an obviously guilty murderer with one whose guilt is questionable beyond a reasonable doubt.

The only question I have is whether the lack of security was intentional or just plain incompetence.

Crooks was identified as "a person of interest" 52 minutes before Trump took the stage. In other words, they were watching him.

He was seen with a rangefinder 32 minutes before Trump took the stage.

He was spotted by the Secret Service on the roof 10 minutes before Trump took the stage.

https://6abc.com/post/trump-assassination-attempt-fbi-examines-thomas-matthew-crooks/15064141/

So why was Trump allowed to take the stage ? Why wasn't Trump's appearance delayed until the threat was neutralized ?

And why did the Secret Service wait until he fired to take him down ? They had binoculars. They were watching him.

Then there was the local police officer who interrupted Crooks.

The officer who climbed the ladder should have had his weapon drawn, the safety off and ready to fire. Instead, when Crooks aimed his rifle at him, he got scared and jumped off the ladder.

Then they proclaim his cowardice was really heroic.

https://nypost.com/2024/07/17/us-news/local-cop-who-interrupted-thomas-crooks-but-failed-to-stop-him-is-a-hero-who-saved-trumps-life-sheriff-says/

 

So much misinformation in this post by @Gil Jesus

For example, the officer didn't have his weapon drawn because he was hoisted up by a fellow officer and was using both hands to steady himself as he peeked up onto the roof, i.e. he was not on a ladder free to draw his weapon.

 

"The officer who climbed the ladder should have had his weapon drawn, the safety off and ready to fire. Instead, when Crooks aimed his rifle at him, he got scared and jumped off the ladder.  Then they proclaim his cowardice was really heroic." -- Gil Jesus

 

[Cliff Varnell]

On 7/20/2024 at 10:31 AM, Pete Mellor said:

😆 Keep pushing this Cliff.  The truth will out!

Thank you, Pete.  It's fun to make the LNers STFU.  Gaeton Fonzi showed how it was done back in '66 when he confronted Arlen Specter with the clothing evidence, inducing a nervous breakdown. 

[Steve Roe]

On 7/18/2024 at 7:21 PM, Cliff Varnell said:

Of course one bullet passed through both -- at the level of the 3rd thoracic vertebra.  Too low to associate with the throat wound.

I'm a clueless LNer, so I defer to your "expertise". So were there two different shots, one from the back and one from the front????

You said it was too low to associate with the throat wound, right?

If so, where did those bullets go? 

Help me understand this Mr. Varnell, I'm just a stupid LNer trying to make sense of this. Surely you can explain this, right?

[Gerry Down]

15 minutes ago, Steve Roe said:

I'm a clueless LNer, so I defer to your "expertise". So were there two different shots, one from the back and one from the front????

You said it was too low to associate with the throat wound, right?

If so, where did those bullets go? 

Help me understand this Mr. Varnell, I'm just a stupid LNer trying to make sense of this. Surely you can explain this, right?

I'll help you out Steve as you don't seem to understand.

The bullet that entered the front of the throat and the bullet that entered the back were fired at the same time. Two different assassins. The bullet that entered the front of the throat struck the bullet that entered the back, mid-way inside JFKs neck. The bullets bounced off each other. The bullet that entered the front of the throat richoched back out the same hole it went in. The same with the bullet that entered from the back.

The bullet that exited out the back hole landed on the top part of JFKs seat where Landis found it but then forgot about it for 50 years until he remembered it recently.

The bullet that exited back out the front of the throat wound went on to hit Connolly.

[David Von Pein]

3 hours ago, Gerry Down said:

The bullet that exited out the back hole landed on the top part of JFK's seat where Landis found it but then forgot about it for 50 years [sic; it was actually 60 years of dead silence by Mr. Landis concerning his incredible bullet discovery] until he remembered it recently.

Finally! An explanation that makes sense! 😉

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com / Paul E. Landis' Odd Bullet Tale

 

Edited Wednesday at 02:49 AM by David Von Pein

[Bill Brown]

1 hour ago, Gerry Down said:

I'll help you out Steve as you don't seem to understand.

The bullet that entered the front of the throat and the bullet that entered the back were fired at the same time. Two different assassins. The bullet that entered the front of the throat struck the bullet that entered the back, mid-way inside JFKs neck. The bullets bounced off each other. The bullet that entered the front of the throat richoched back out the same hole it went in. The same with the bullet that entered from the back.

The bullet that exited out the back hole landed on the top part of JFKs seat where Landis found it but then forgot about it for 50 years until he remembered it recently.

The bullet that exited back out the front of the throat wound went on to hit Connolly.

 

Sounds pretty plausible to me.

 

[Ron Bulman]

 

This has devolved from mod's moving threads to much else.  As that's the case maybe it itself belongs in the Moderator complaints section. 

[Ron Bulman]

On 7/17/2024 at 3:56 PM, Joseph McBride said:

I think other assassinations or assassination attempts help

us understand the JFK assassination by putting it in a wider

ideological and practical context. Those threads ought to

remain here.

Darn it Joseph.  I was reviewing the tread with the thought of moving it to the Moderator Complaints section given some of the latter posts.  It does get hard to walk the tightrope of transparency, fairness, balance amid some of the comments especially by some here for apparently nefarious purposes.  Not directed at but for Robert Morrow.

 

[Ron Bulman]

3 hours ago, Bill Brown said:

 

Sounds pretty plausible to me.

 

Wait.  A momentous occasion.  So, neither you nor Gerry believe in the Single Bullett Fantasy!