David Josephs

Hey Ron... With all the discussion about 201 files and my stumbling across this doc... I thought I'd post it and see if it helps anyone... I am not too well versed with 201 files... I know though we have resources in Simpich, Jim D, John Newman and others who may be able to answer those questions... PAZ seemed to be interested so I posted it... plus it gives the real names of so many informants... ======================== Sadly there remains those who think every utterance is for their ears, for their benefit.... and it must their solemn duty to keep posting non-sequitur and/or non-sense at every opportunity. As more and more of the members realize how much better the place is when ignoring these never ending uninformed utterings, maybe those too thick to realize it's them ... will go play their childish games in a different sandbox.

Just a bunch of coincidences...

{Sigh} Thought experiment... Marina claims that the BYP was the first and only time she ever worked a camera... Mr. RANKIN. Do you recall the day that you took the picture of him with the rifle and the pistol?Mrs. OSWALD. I think that that was towards the end of February, possibly the beginning of March. I can't say exactly. Because I didn't attach any significance to it at the time. That was the only time I took any pictures.I don't know how to take pictures. He gave me a camera and asked me someone should ask me how to photograph, I don't know.Mr. RANKIN. Was it on a day off that you took the picture?Mrs. OSWALD. It was on a Sunday.Mr. RANKIN. How did it occur? Did he come to you and ask you to take the picture?Mrs. OSWALD. I was hanging up diapers, and he came up to me with the rifle and l was even a little scared, and he gave me the camera and asked me to press a certain button.Mr. RANKIN. And he was dressed up with a pistol at the same time, was he?Mrs. OSWALD. Yes. "only time she ever took photos" - and she can't remember how many she took, and can't remember one of the strangest processes she had to employ to take not 1 of these, but 3 or even 4? This is close to what the camera would have shown at the time... Hold camera at chest height, look down into an upside-down image, keep it perfectly steady so as to remove any blur, take the photo, had the camera back to wind, and do this again, and again, ... and maybe again ??? HSCA: Mr. McDONALD. Please tell us what happened? This was at the Neely Street address. What happened on this occasion when Lee asked you to take those photographs? Mrs. PORTER. Well, first of all, I refused to take picture because I did not know how to operate camera, and he told me, he insist that I will take it, and he said he will show me how, if I just push the button. So I took one picture, I think, and maybe he changed the pose, I don't recall. Maybe I took two pictures, but I was very annoyed by all the incidents. Mr. McDONALD. Did you use a tripod at all? Mrs. PORTER. Did I use what? Mr. McDONALD. A tripod. In other words, was the camera attached to a stand? Mrs. PORTER. No. Mr. McDONALD. OK. You held it in your hands. Mrs. PORTER. Yes. DEPOSITIONS OF MARINA OSWALD PORTER Staff Report of the Select Committee on Assassinations U.S. House of Representatives Ninety-fifth Congress Second Session March 1979 TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 20, 1977 HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, SELECT COMMITTEE ON ASSASSINATIONS, Washington, D.C. Q. This camera, do you recall whether to take pictures with this camera, you would look down into the viewfinder or whether you would hold the camera up to your eye and look straight ahead? A. I just recall I think it is straight. Q. You would put the camera up by your eye? A. Yes. Q. Do you remember what color the camera was? A. I think it was black. Q. Do you remember anything else about it? A. Not the name; no. But again, since I am not expert with the camera, that is what I remember, I think?

Agree 100% Andrej... A trained ER doctor will not just try and stick a tube into a hole... (see Trach process images at bottom) The process, as Lifton should know from his arguments against the brain falling out given what the brain is connected to... too much work to disconnect a brain from a body... Same with the Trach... I'm not doubting something was said that made it sound as if a formal trach was not performed... but does it make any real world sense that a doctor would not take the steps necessary to perform an actual tracheotomy? If PERRY pushed a trach tube into the wound, how is that "INVIOLATE"? Whereas Fetzer's take was "still readily visible" which I have yet to find in any dictionary resource... inviolate : not violated or profaned; that must be) not harmed or damaged; free from violation, injury, disturbance, etc free or safe from injury or violation. "an international memorial which must remain inviolate" synonyms: untouchable, inviolable, safe from harm; More untouched, undamaged, unhurt, unharmed, unscathed; unspoiled, unflawed, unsullied, unstained, undefiled, unprofaned, perfect, pristine, pure; intact, unbroken, whole, entire, complete "the insignia of the Red Cross was regarded as virtually inviolate"

Paul... your "interpretation" makes a variety of HUGE assumptions... The Odio sisters are lying The TRUE and CORRECT records do not show a car entering Mexico with 3 men... aliases or not. As I posted in another thread... the man on the 27th MUST be Oswald for all this to work yet not only are the ID's suspect, but TERESA PROENZA says she met OSWALD when he walked in "blind" yet could not talk to him since he only spoke English... She speaks Spanish... we are to remember that the calls on the 27th from the MO (Man Outside) were in fluent SPANISH. If the man she met was Oswald AND made these calls in perfect Spanish, why couldn't he speak to TERESA William GAUDET's story about the Visa office conflicts with those who also got Visas there that day... I could go on and on Paul... the real problem here is you take 1 thing to mean ALL things... "Henry" had nothing to do AT ALL with Mexican Immigration. The impetus for HENRY is the reply from CIA HQ on the 10th, in a DIFFERENT version of the same memo sent to STATE, ONI & FBI Here's your "TRUE AND CORR#ECT" Mexican documentation... Paul, please try to stay within your comfort zone... when you make assumptions and statements that are supposedly FACT, they need to check out... yet they don't. An FBI asset at GOBERNACION "created" the evidence... This Oswald was in Dallas... That you can throw in that junk about Hall and Howard is just shameless...

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32114512.pdf States that it was TERESA PROENZA, the cultural attache for the Cuban Embassy, who first greeted this man who walked in "cold"... The point here is that TERESA does not speak English so she turned him over to the nearest person, higher in rank, who spoke English... Except the calls on Sept 27th were in SPANISH - adding more strength to the notion it wasx not Oswald on the 27th... and we know about the 28th... DJ https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32185802.pdf Mora makes the comment that they can only link OSWALD to Mexico is by his activities BEFORE he went to Russia.

Harry Holmes is the source for the information that a notice is placed in a PO Box when a box too large is received. Would we not then have this signed form for that PO BOX? Or at least the unsigned form showing the delivery... Steve, I am fairly confident that my work on the subject shows that none of the 100 rifles existed in the real world... They may have been in that box at Harborside, but I believe I've proven that those 100 rifles and their evidence only self-corroborate... outside of the JFK case, there is no record of there ever being any of these rifles at Klein's... You can see the serial numbers written over an older form... Don't you find it odd that not one rifle from that 100 rifle shipment has EVER been found?

Found this as I was wadding thru the docs... https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10054-10039.pdf "entered on duty from OSS"....

Seems to me that only 1 tooth fits there... As for the blackness and bleed... depends on how many generations we're talking about... But this is consistent with the loss of a tooth... DJ

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32396642.pdf 300 NAMES RELATED TO THE TIMES AND ASSASSINATION WITH MOST 201- FILES #'S OFFERED. {PAZ} DJ

https://statick2k-5f2f.kxcdn.com/images/pdf/JosephsRiflePart1.pdf IS THE BEST i COULD DO AT THE TIME... PAGE 57-58 AMONG OTHERS TALKS OF J HAROLD MARKS, ROBERT JACKSON AND THE PROCESS OF SECURING YET ANOTHER ORIGINAL OF THE PMO. https://statick2k-5f2f.kxcdn.com/images/pdf/JosephsMOTimeline.pdf IS A TIMELINE THAT SHOWS THE CONFLICTS THAT DAY... THIS REMINDS ME OF THE QUESTION - HOW GOOD A MARKSMAN WAS OSWALD... COULD HE MAKE THE SHOTS? THIS PRESUPPOSES HE PLANNED AN ASSASSINATION FOR WHICH NO EVIDENCE EXISTS... ATTRIBUTING THE RIFLE PURCHASE TO MARINA MAKES ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT THE RIFLE WITH WHICH I FIRMLY DISAGREE BUT ALWAYS A PLEASE DISCUSSING WITH YOU STEVE... I'LL LEAVE 2% OPEN FOR THE POSSIBILITY...

Ergo, we do not get a film speed between 16 and 18 feet per second... but an impossible 18.3 feet per second... what a coincidence... well done

Doesn't look like him at the back... and the hairlines are wrong for the other two... ????

Even if Arnold was where he claimed... the size proves him wrong. While the ground is higher, the size of the man does not fit. There's only one shooter in Moorman at the far left in red.... peering over the fence. This is a big image... with the sky in place, there is no Badgeman or hatman and Arnold disappears as well... As I see it at least... DJ

IT MEANS THEY WERE TRYING TO TURN HIM INTO A DOUBLE AGENT... THE SINGLULAR MOST IMPORTANT PURPOSE OF THESE OPERATIONS ACCORDING TO HIS TRAVEL LOG... HE WAS IN MEXICO SEPT 63

Docs on DeMohrenschildt and his wife(?) https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32159212.pdf

Paz, there's a bit more... Maybe I'm wrong about Philip Agee... But he says there is usually more than one per person https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-DAzR701tP2dL_DNu/inside-the-company-cia-diary-philip-agee_djvu.txt Files are maintained on all agents and they always begin with the number 201 — followed by a number of five to eight digits. The 201 file contains all the documents that pertain to a given agent and usually start with the PRQ and the request for POA. But the 201 file is divided into two parts which are stored separately for maximum security. One part contains true name documents while the other part contains cryptonym documents and operational information. Compromise of one part will not reveal both the true name and the operational use of the agent.

Oh Tommy... your inferiority complex is showing signs of expansion... e.g. you bump the thread yet you had zero to add or offer.... as usual.

You're welcome... Hopefully now it's worth the read... I'll let you know

WITH HER Oswald BEING ABOUT 5'3" and Leonov at 5'7" I guess your little theory is done... With her Oswald at 199 lbs according to your crack interpretations, your LEONOV theory now sounds quite foolish. Unless you somehow understand that the man described was not 199 lbs... but proportionate to his height, yet on the skinny side, compared to Lopez. It's also very possible the entire episode was made up. The visa application is a plant, as are the photos... she can't say where se sent the man for photos, something she does as part of her job on a weekly basis... Yes, lies. more than I think you are even willing to see and accept... And really tommy, I lost respect for you years ago... I check what you post now, as every once in a while you post something pithy and worth a chuckle... but for the most part, your command of the info and the implications is... love and kisses...

Do they have HUNT's fingerprints to which they can compare the casings?

No Tommy I didn't cause you don't post links or evidence very often... I searched for it like everything else I find... get over yourself already as you're transitioning from cute and witty to desperate and annoying...