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49 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said:@Vince Palamara
can you comment on James Robenalt's recent twitter: "The most amazing photo from Nov. 22, 1963 shows Paul Landis still on the side running board of Halfback (sunglasses), speeding to Parkland Hospital. Texas School Book Depository looms in the background, with the window Oswald just shot from visible. Oswald was still in building."Oh, yes- I am much aware of this photo. You can see Shift Leader (ATSAIC) Emory Roberts in the front passenger seat on the radio microphone. Interestingly, he was ALSO on the radio microphone during the shooting, as one can plainly see in the famous Altgens photo facing the front of the limo.
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6 hours ago, Leslie Sharp said:
I'm dismayed that in their enthusiasm — and regardless of how significant a smoking bullet might be to the investigation — David Talbot and Jefferson Morley seem to have failed (thus far) to publicly acknowledge the fundamental issues with Landis's personal story, so I'm relieved to read your concerns, @Larry Hancock.
I'm even more dismayed that NYT, The Guardian, The Independent, Vanity Fair have inexplicably leapt over basic precepts of investigative journalism to publish sensational headlines, eureka! witness breaks his silence and raises new questions which leads me to consider concerns expressed by others that this might be a limited hangout or a more complex "revelation of the method."
- If SS agents weren't trained in the fundamentals of crime scene preservation, evidence gathering and reporting, weren't they at least vetted for common sense?
- Why then did Landis remove evidence from a crime scene (limo) and relocate it to a stretcher instead of handing it off to his superior or at the very least local authorities?
- Why didn't he mark the bullet?
- Why didn't he record his finding in a report?
- Did PTSD impede him from fulfilling his oath to support and defend democracy in the ensuing years?
- How could he avoid the WCR and Specter's "magic bullet" theory for decades?
- Did he state as late as 2013 that he believed a lone gunman was responsible for Kennedy's assassination?
- Did the trauma overwhelm him for six decades?
In his own words published by alt-right Gateway Pundit which headlines Robert Kennedy Jr's reaction, Landis states:
"There was nobody there to secure the scene, and that was a big, big bother to me. All the agents that were there were focused on the president."
So, Landis was concerned that the scene hadn't been secured yet he himself lifted a bullet (or fragment??) from the limo, took it inside the building, placed it on a stretcher, and never reported it or spoke of it publicly again — until the 60th anniversary ... not the 55th, or 57th, or 59th, but The 60th.
If leading spokespersons for "the community" fail to address the most basic questions, how long before conspiracy skeptics and cynics add this episode to the list? -
1 minute ago, Denny Zartman said:
I'm trying to take my time and be careful in analyzing this story before commenting.
I've read the first New York Times article. I saw in another thread someone say there was apparently another article published today, but I haven't found it yet on Google news or the NYT website.
I've also read the Vanity Fair article by James Robenalt, and watched the NBC interview with Landis and Robenalt. It's too bad the book doesn't come out for another month.
Especially for you, Danny-
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Just now, Pat Speer said:
No surprise there. Most of the witnesses recall its being on the top back of the head ABOVE the ear. What sucked me down the rabbit hole was that so many took their stating it was on the far back of the head as "proof" it was really on the back of the head AT THE LEVEL of the ear. Hubba-wha? I don't know what that is but it most certainly isn't rational, IMO.
This is THE first and only time Landis is on record about the head wound!
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20 minutes ago, K K Lane said:
Crazy question, but did Clint Hill carry any loose bullets in his pockets or on his person that day? I mean, if Clint dropped his lighter he might have also dropped a loose bullet? He did, after all, climb in the area the bullet was found.
VERY interesting and entirely plausible scenario! He was there and spread eagle over that very same area.
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13 hours ago, Michael Griffith said:
Landis has come forward with his disclosure about finding a bullet lodged in the back seat because he knows he is nearing the end of his life and wants this information to be revealed before he dies. It is close to being tantamount to a death-bed confession.
Given the situation that existed in the hours and days after the assassination, it is perfectly understandable why Landis decided not to reveal his finding of the bullet.
Look at Kenny O'Donnell's very belated disclosure to Tip O'Neill that he was certain some shots had come from the grassy knoll. That's not what O'Donnell said in his WC testimony. He told O'Neill that he did tell the FBI about hearing shots from the knoll, but that they told him he "must have been imagining things," and so O'Donnell chose to testify "the way they wanted me to." Yet, years later, he finally revealed the truth to his good friend Tip O'Neill, and Dave Powers, who rode in the follow-up car with O'Donnell, confirmed O'Donnell's account.
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On 9/11/2023 at 2:10 PM, K K Lane said:
Discussion of Landis' claim on this forum have been predominantly analytical and respectful. Posner's substack was essentially a hit-piece and Clint Hill's reaction is, of course, tendentious.
My questions for Landis include:
- Please distinguish the bullet you are now referring to compared to the bullet fragment that since 1983 you've claimed you found in the limo. Are these "bullets" the same? Is the new bullet in addition to the bullet fragments? Does the whole bullet you now recall finding in the limo physically resemble CE399?
- Please explain your thinking in November 1963 for not reporting this found bullet in your written reports. Was there explicity or implicit pressure to express or not express certain viewpoints? What form did that pressure come in? Are there additional unspoken revelations that you're aware of from your SS peers?
- When did you first tell another person about the whole bullet you now report having found in the limo? What is the oldest written document or letter that references this 2023 found bullet?
- Please share your thoughts on the propriety of a SS agent not including a found bullet in your post-assassination report. Was evidence chain of custody part of your SS training? Do you have a sense of the historic importance of what you are now revealing?
Personally, I'd like Vince to get "the interview"
I tried several times to interview Landis and he refused every time. He is much aware of me:
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On 9/11/2023 at 2:25 PM, James DiEugenio said:
A follower of K and K left me this quote from long ago which VInce P should recall.
It took me a while to find it again but I knew I had written the quote in the comments section.
Entitled "First Annual Midwest Symposium on JFK part 3 6/26 - 6/28/92 Chicago, Illinois " from Vince Palamara YouTube channel."During the last days of the public hearings of the House Select Committee, Congressman, now Senator Dodd, gave the most important revelation. He stood up or sat up and asked Professor Blakely to answer him one question. And he said, Mr. Blakely, will you please explain to me about the bullet that was found in the President's limousine that cannot be ballistically matched to the Oswald weapon? Congressman Dodd never received an answer....to this day."Yes, indeed! Excellent!
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On 9/11/2023 at 11:35 AM, David Josephs said:
Seems pretty simple, straightforward book marketing at its finest.
Doesn't matter what he's said all along - you think anyone but us even has a clue? - by questioning the SBT he almost guarantees a best-seller.
Worse yet, despite scientific impossibility, Landis' words will be taken seriously and confuse those looking into the case for years to come. {sigh}. The man blew off his primary responsibilities, got plowed until 5am and NOW wants to come clean with a best selling book and more confusion about the facts of the case. Red card!
@Vince Palamara Hope you don't mind but found this in my stuff... not sure if all this remains the same today for you yet this was a great recap... thanks!
The Secret Service and CE 399
by Vincent Michael Palamara
The following is a compendium of all the anomolies
pertaining to what I like to refer to as the "legitimacy" of
CE399, including the Secret Service's handling of it:[in no particular order]
1) CE2011-O.P. Wright, Darrel Tomlinson, Chief James J. Rowley,
and SA Richard Johnsen could NOT identify CE399 as the bullet
they all allegedly handled on 11/22/63 ("over-the-counter"
references: "JFK-Conspiracy of Silence", p. 133; "Crossfire", p.
365; "Reasonable Doubt", p. 70);2) 24H412-Although two FBI agents (Todd and Frazier) initialed the
bullet they received from the Secret Service, Johnsen and Rowley
did NOT, breaking the legal chain of custody;3) CD7-Although the bullet was "officially" found on a stretcher
in a corridor of Parkland Hospital, the FBI(Sibert and O'Neil)
reported that it was found in the emergency room!;4) a)Sibert and O'Neil interview of SAIC Jerry Behn,
11/27/63-the same FBI agents bypassed Johnsen and spoke instead
to Behn(not even IN Dallas) about "the location of a bullet which
had been found on a stretcher at Parkland";
4) b) RIF#180-10104-10481:HSCA interview of SAIC Behn-
Incredibly, Behn "stated that he was in the chain of custody of
CE 399-Behn received the bullet from Johnsen, then turned it over
to the FBI" [DJ: Johnsen gives it to ROWLEY who gives it to TODD who gives it to FRAZIER, no BEHN];
5) Price Exhibits, Warren Commission Volume XXI - O.P. Wright,
the man who allegedly gave the bullet to Johnsen at Parkland,
does not even MENTION this very important find at all in his
report(?!);6) Darrel Tomlinson, O.P. Wright, Nathan Pool-all described a
DIFFERENT bullet than CE399(pointed, hunting-type)["Six Seconds
in Dallas"; "High Treason", p. 102; HSCA document-interview with
Nathan Pool, 1/10/77; etc.]. According to research done by Josiah
Thompson, the bullet was found on a stretcher used by a young boy
named Ronny Fuller!;7) LBJ Library document-Memorandum to File-According to Chief
James J. Rowley, CE399 "was found amongst the clothes on one of
the stretchers." If that wasn't enough, Governor Connally
stated in his autobiography called "In History's Shadow"," But
the most curious discovery of all took place when they rolled me
off the stretcher, and onto the examining table. A metal object
fell onto the floor, with a click no louder than a wedding band.
The nurse picked it up and slipped it into her pocket. It was
the BULLET FROM MY BODY, the one that passed through my back,
chest, and wrist, and worked itself loose from my thigh"
(emphasis added-p.18; "The Investigator" Feb-May 1994).
Corroborating Connally's memory, from the 11/21/93 Dallas Morning
News interview with Henry Wade:" I also went out to see
Connally, but he was in the operating room(note the time frame).
Some nurse had a bullet in her hand, and said this was on the
gurney that Connally was on...I told her to give it to the police,
which she said she would. I assume that's the pristine bullet"
("The Investigator" Feb-May 1994). Finally, Gary Shaw (in the
11/22/93 "Dateline: Dallas" issue) came across this passage from
the Warren Commission testimony of Parkland nurse Jeanette
Standridge:
Specter: "Did you notice any object in Governor Connally's
clothing?"
Standridge:"Not unusual"
Specter:" Did you notice a bullet, specifically?"
Standridge:"No"
Specter:" Did you hear the sound of anything fall?"
Standridge:"I didn't"
Is THIS "CE399"? What's going on here?😎 Bill Greer-Although it is an "official" fact that Agent
Richard Johnsen gained possession of CE399 (a.k.a. "the magic
bullet," linked to Oswald's gun) via O.P. Wright (who obtained
it thru Darrel Tomlinson AND Nathan Pool, who obtained it in the
PRESENCE of Secret Service agent[s]) at Parkland Hospital, what
has never been widely reported is the fact that Agent Greer
maintained VERY close proximity to Johnsen and the bullet in
question (18H799-800):a) BOTH agents guarded the emergency room(Trauma Room
1)-Greer inside, Johnsen outside(2H126; 18H798);b) IF the FBI's report is accurate(see # 3[CD7] above),
Greer was the ONLY agent stationed inside the emergency room with
JFK;
c)Johnsen rode with Greer in a car on the way to Air Force
One (along with fellow agents David Grant, Samuel Sulliman,
Ernest Olsson, and Paul Landis)-and we're supposed to believe
that ALL these agents remained silent about the bullet!(18H799;
18H723);d)Greer rode with Johnsen near the casket in the REAR of
Air Force One(from the point of time starting with the swearing
in of LBJ, when the MAJORITY of agents/people were up
front[18H799; 2H126))...When we consider that both Greer AND Kellerman remained
silent about this bullet until it was announced by Chief Rowley
that night during the autopsy (via a phone call TO Kellerman!),
we have to wonder about the implications of this "silence"-- in
a recently uncovered HSCA document, Roy Kellerman stated that
SA Johnsen told him about the bullet while they were still at
PARKLAND(HSCA document, interviews with Kellerman, outside
contact report, 8/24-8/25/77)!!!! This early knowledge is
troubling because of the following:
Once the autopsy at Bethesda Naval Hospital was underway,
Greer "said that a bullet had been found on a stretcher-or rather
as it fell from a stretcher- in Parkland Hospital...could this be
the bullet that went INTO THE NECK and, in the jostling of the
President on the stretcher, FELL OUT?" As author Jim Bishop
reported (thru his interview with Greer [and Kellerman])," GREER's
THESIS had a supporter. Roy Kellerman ... said he remembered a
Parkland doctor astride the chest of the dead President, applying
artificial respiration. Kellerman...thought the bullet in the
BACK...might have been squeezed out by manual pressure..."("The
Day Kennedy was Shot", page 498,530; see also Tomlinson-2H412;
Greer-2H127; Kellerman-2H93)!Why would they even need Rowley's call to "alert" them to
the bullet found at Parkland and given to the FBI (two agents --
Sibert and O'Neil -- were in attendance with Greer and
Kellerman at the autopsy)? Why would Rowley "order" Kellerman to
tell the autopsy doctors about something he already knew about?
It gets better (or worse, depending on which way you see it)...
9) During an interview conducted on 9/29/92, the author learned
that Agent Richard Johnsen DID NOT REMEMBER having possession of
CE399!?!? ("The Third Alternative-Survivor's Guilt:the Secret
Service and the JFK Murder", p. 43-see also pages 30,31,52,53,
and 65;"The Investigator" Dec '93/Jan '94-article by author).
Furthermore, Johnsen mentions in his first report that the
bullet, quote, "may" have originated from Governor Connally's
stretcher -- obviously, one of the components of the "single
bullet theory" is having the bullet on Connally's stretcher; if
the bullet was found on JFK's stretcher (or Ronny Fuller's, or
elsewhere), the theory is in big trouble. Interestingly, Johnsen
retired in 1979, having never been questioned by the FBI, the
Warren Commission, or the HSCA, and when I tried, I received very
cantankerous responses(it was the day after contacting Johnsen
that I received the infamous call from the Executive Secretary
of the Former Agents of the Secret Service, "Percy" Hamilton
Brown, telling me very angrily to "cease and desist from
contacting any more of my associates...I gave you no authority to
do so." As former agent Bob Lilly told me, "Who died and made him
boss?!" Sam Kinney told me, "Hey, it's a free country!"). As for
Johnsen's "second" report, a sort of mini-report enclosed with
his first report having to do with the acquisition of CE399, it
is UNSIGNED. (18H799-800;this report actually exists seperately,
as new documents uncovered from the LBJ Library reveal, although
the same report as reproduced in the Warren Commission Volumes
gives the impression it is part of the same[first] report, due to
its juxtoposition on TOP of the first report). There may be more
to Johnsen's present "amnesia" over this evidence than meets the
eye...10) CBS' Eddie Barker [whose son is a Secret Service
agent!] interview of O.P. Wright ("Postmortem", p. 46)-"...I got
hold of a Secret Service man and THEY[sic?] didn't seem to be
interested in coming and looking at the bullet in the position it
was in then. So I went back to the area where Mr. Tomlinson was
and picked up the bullet and put it in my pocket, and I carried
it some 30 or 40 minutes. And I gave it to a Secret Service man
that was guarding the main door into the emergency room..."Who
was the first agent Wright spoke to? And was his use of the word
"they" a mistake? NO...
HSCA attorney Belford V. Lawson*, in charge of the Secret
Service area of the "investigation," is the author of a recently
uncovered memo in regard to an interview with Nathan Pool
conducted on 1/10/77 and headlined "POOL's CO-DISCOVERY OF THE
'TOMLINSON' BULLET." In the memo, Pool mentions the fact that TWO
Secret Service agents were by the elevator, one of which "
remained there throughout most or all of Pool's stay". Before we
can catch our breath, a THIRD Secret Service agent enters the
picture; although all these men were in the immediate vicinity of
the discovery of the bullet, one particular agent "was within 10
feet when Pool recognized the bullet". According to Pool, the
bullet was pointed, and he added that it "didn't look like it had
hit anything and didn't look like it had been in anything".Lawson felt that further development of Pool's testimony may
reveal the following:QUOTE: "A SECRET SERVICE AGENT WAS FOR A SIGNIFICANT PERIOD OF
TIME CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE ELEVATOR TO PLANT A BULLET; MAY LEAD TO
AN IDENTIFICATION OF THAT AGENT..."
And you thought only "assassination buffs" came up with
compelling assertions...*a former adviser to JFK on civil rights; a D.C. political
figure; any relation to WINSTON G. LAWSON, in charge of the
advance security in Dallas?
My pleasure!
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16 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:
Can i ask a question here about consistency?
How about Givens?
How about Brennan?
How about Tatum?
See, that is OK for the Commission zealots right? Why is that OK?
Pretty obvious right?
I am surprised Vince did not point this out. He knows that Brennan absolutely refused to testify for the HSCA under any circumstances.
Let me add, in addition to using that pile of crapola from VIncent Guinn about CE 399 in his article, Posner uses all three of these BSers in his book.
Good points, Jim. Point well taken.
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I can't help it [you all probably think I will just run with what Landis is saying]- I am skeptical.
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I am just going to say it: did Landis see/hear this and...you know...
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As DVP previously wrote: "So, in 1983, Mr. Landis was saying it was merely a "bullet fragment" that he picked up in the limo, which he "gave to somebody". But now, forty years later in 2023, it's a whole bullet (not just a fragment) which he didn't give to anyone but which he himself carried into the hospital and placed on JFK's stretcher."
Right under our noses- from Gerald Blaine's best-selling book THE KENNEDY DETAIL (Landis was interviewed for the book and participated in the television documentary in on screen interviews and in the scrapped Hollywood movie) [page 225]:
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(this is in regard to the long-since scrapped Hollywood movie based on Gerald Blaine's book The Kennedy Detail that was going to be directed by Stephen Gyllenhaal)
A screen writer friend and colleague of Gyllenhaal's, Cantara Christoph, sent me this back in early 2013:
"Vince, I swear this is genuine. Paul Landis, one of the Secret Service agents on the Kennedy protection detail in Dallas who failed to protect the president from an assassin’s bullet back on that fateful November 22, 1963, has his own idea of how to start a picture. Got this personally from the director of the upcoming feature film The Kennedy Detail:
[Paul Landis writes:]
"Stephen, I don’t know how you intend to open your movie, but I have an idea that I would like to run by you, not intending to intrude into your creative space. Just a thought. Please forgive any miss spelled words. I’m just going with the flow.”
Paul (not Paulie)
Opening Scene: Taking place while titles, actors ,credits, etc. burn thru in white.
Start – Surround sound – Motorcycle engine starts – Loud – …Varoom. Then a second – same sounds – Varoom…Varoom. Followed by other sounds, cars starting, “Let’s roll”, voices, commands, close ups of car wheels starting to move, cycles shifting into gear, Presidention flag on fender, feet walking & starting to jog, all close ups & tight shots…lots of quick shots & cuts…people waving…shouting…fenders…cycle exhause pipes…flashers blinking…Clint/Paul exchanging glances…”Jackie, Jackie”…”Mr. President”…”Over here, over here Mr. President” etc., etc. More pix of buildings, people in windows…waving. Someone running towards presidents limo, arm extended…Agent looks at hand, quick flash close up…gun?…Knife?…finally a camera. Another Agent pushes person back towards crowd. the person tumbles…motorcade continues.
All sorts of scenes taking place and building in intensity as motorcade reaches & continues down Main Street in Dallas. Finally, as motorcade slows & turns right onto Houston…sounds start to fade…crown thinning out…..camera scanning buildings, Plaza, overpass, etc. As other sounds fade out, an erie background sound starts to fade in. We are now going into slow motion as cars start turning left onto Elm St…Silence….Sound (Click, click…lock & load)…theatre audiance in suspense, silent, intence, waiting in anticipation. Everyone knows what is about to happen…silence……BAM…Screen goes White. Blank!
Next Scene: Version of scene 12 – Paul getting shot, etc…Paul wakes up with a start…covered in cold sweat. (His idea of how it should have been).
CUT
Page 2, Scene 20 – WRHS (either 2010, age 75, or 2011, age 76).
To be continued……………………………."
Director Stephen Gyllenhaal and the gang: Blaine attempted to make a Hollywood movie about his book, but it was scrapped. I contacted the director, so perhaps I had something to do with this.
Blaine and Landis with the then-current Secret Service Director Joe Clancy in 2016.
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All this publicity is massively helping out Landis book sales--! Keep in mind this is exactly a month before its release-
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52 minutes ago, Pat Speer said:
I think the implication is that someone put it there, and not that it landed there on its own.
Well said. I believe you are correct.
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Paul Landis - fast shots that sounded different but fails to mention frontal shots from HIS reports
in JFK Assassination Debate
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OMG you can frame that LOL! RIGHT when I was heading toward (semi) retirement with the case, it came roaring back and people's insatiable appetite for it. All the questions, comments, "liked" etc. I am doing a chapter in an author's book, maybe another one, AND a via-remote conference appearance. I may even attend my alma mater Duquesne University to bug Paul Landis in person. I will let him know who I am LOL!