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They were having major relationship problems from the get go. Just months after arriving here to the states. Their marriage was doomed from the start. Their incompatibility was so obvious. From Jeanne De M's testimony you can tell Marina felt comfortable and relaxed enough around J De M she revealed who she really was. Her true feelings about Lee and her life with him. No other testimony in the WC showed us the real Marina like J De M's. And to top off Marina's growing loss of feeling, attraction and even aversion to Lee was her worry about his extreme political activities and plans for more. Talking of hijacking a plane to Cuba ( with her help?) Going to see Nixon in downtown Dallas and wanting to take his handgun with him ( prompting a worried Marina to lock him in the bathroom to cut that off.) His attempt to blow General Walker away. His trip to Mexico City ( not free ) ? Oswald's public fight agitating, local news reported political activity in downtown New Orleans? Spending time doing this ( for no pay?) when his family needed help with just the basics? Oswald kept Marina in the dark about so many things he did. I don't know if Judyth Vary Baker was who she said she was...but Lee Oswald's several secretive actions starting in New Orleans clearly prove that he "could have" had a secret female friendship outside his marriage imo. And based on what we know about Marina's long term deep unsatisfied cravings for physical intimacy ( to the point of making her sick according to Jeanne De Mohrenschildt ) I could see why she was writing longing love letters to a former boyfriend back in Russia ( Lee found out when one was returned to their home due to insufficient postage. ) I could see Marina jumping into an outside romantic relationship if it presented itself and she wasn't so dependent upon others including Ruth Paine for basic food, shelter etc. Just a really sad and crumbling relationship situation for Lee and Marina, crushed even more by their poverty and total dependance on others.

Hmmm. Didn't know that. And Marina loved and craved sex as much as Lee liked to be alone reading his books. Now there's a mismatch.

Her testimony was easily one of the most interesting and even fun ones to read. The woman was a fascinating person and led a quite fascinating life. Born in China in 1914, her father was the head of the Eastern Chinese ( later Trans-Siberian ) railroad. The Russian Revolution was just beginning to take place. Her father's contrary feelings about that event and his actually distancing himself and his family from it to protect their wealth and his wife and children from it's violent repercussions was uniquely interesting in and of itself. The father and mother were later murdered in China by unknown assailants. Eugenia Fomenko struck out on her own at quite a young age. Married at 18. Danced professionally in China with her husband? Her eventual emigration to the US and how she made instant progress in lifting herself into the retail world of high finance fashion and design was remarkable. Her life here in the states besides her fashion career is just one interesting adventure after another. She was obviously a supremely confident and highly motivated person who was going to succeed no matter what. Her later life with George De Mohrenschildt was just as remarkable and adventurous. They traveled the world. Got into situations that were sometimes life and death? They were shot at in Yugoslavia as potential spies when someone noticed George sketching the coastline of a top secret island on the coast. They struggled in the rough waters in a rickety canoe and had to swim to shore and hitched a ride back to the hotel on the mainland? Another mind boggling adventure was a machete chopping, mule accompanied "walking" trip through the wilds of Mexico and the lower Central America countries. Walking almost the entire time! At one point on that "George In The Jungle" rugged wilds of Mexico trek, they just happened to find themselves in modern Mexico City just when a high ranking Russian government official ("Miyokan?" ) flew in for important doings with Mexican officials. Jeanne stated she was actually able to meet this official at his plane upon departure and how he almost "fainted" upon seeing not just her upper-class "fashion plate" elegance but also hearing her speak not just English, but flawless Russian! And by the way. Jeanne De Mohrenschildt was a very physically attractive woman. She got a job as a top model in New York at a young age. Jeanne's recollections about her interactions with Marina Oswald are more revealing than any other persons. Marina liked Jeanne more than any other in the White Russian Community of Dallas/Fort Worth...by far. Jeanne De M was truly like a mother figure to Marina. Marina could be her true relaxed self around Jeanne De M. Jeanne spoke Russian. She was world traveled and of a liberal morals and political mind set. Jeanne De M's WC testimony gave us "the real" Marina Oswald. Ruth Paine's observations and takes on Marina were nothing close to Jeanne De M's. Jeanne De M had a very intelligent and yet practical mindedness to her. I was attracted to her sharings on life. I even found her to be physically attractive. And she was funny as well! Her takes on her husband George's eccentricities were a hoot. The following is an edited version of just some of the WC testimony Of Jeanne De M. Her testimony about Marina really brought the "real' Marina to life imo. Mr. JENNER. Now, Mrs. De Mohrenschildt, you had discussions with both Marina and Lee about their difficulties? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; we had them at the same time, in the same room. Mr. JENNER. Now, what were the reasons that she advanced as to any--as dissatisfaction? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. What was the reasons what? Mr. JENNER. What were the reasons she said why she was dissatisfied with him? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Oh, there was quite a few reasons. And I tell you---it was strange for me to hear from a young girl like that to speak so, how you say it--so boldy, about sex, for instance. I was shocked by it, you know--because in my times, even I was twice as old as she. Mr. JENNER. Will you please tell me what she said? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Well, she said her husband doesn't satisfy her. She just--and he is just too busy with his things, he doesn't pay enough attention to her. Mr. JENNER. That was one reason? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. That is one of the main reasons, yes. And the second reason, he was cruel with her--for instance, she likes to smoke, and he would forbid her to smoke. Any little argument or something--like once something--she didn't fill his bathtub, he beat her for it. And, also, he didn't like for her to have a drink of wine. She liked wine very much. She wasn't a drunk or anything, but she likes to drink wine. And he would object to that, too. And that was their main disagreements. Mr. JENNER. What were Marina's personal habits? Was she clean and neat? Did she keep her home clean and neat? Or did her laziness spill over into those areas? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Well, it was halfway, because it seems to be neat, and still not very--she was not a woman to arrange the home or make a home. I don't think so. And I don't know enough about it, because they had so few things, and they were so poor. So what can you make a home out of, nothing. You cannot really judge. You cannot. I am sure if she has things to do it with, I am sure she will. At that particular time, she could not. She didn't have enough things to make a home. The apartments they were living in in Dallas were miserable, very, very poor. Mr. JENNER. Tell me of her personality. Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. I think I told you as much as I can. At the same time, in spite she is lazy--well, it is her upbringing, that is the way she was brought up. But she was a very, very pleasant girl. And she loved life, and she loved the United States, absolutely. We would drive on the streets, she would just--oh, that is the United States. That is maybe why I like her, because she give me the impression she felt like I felt when I came in. She said she was always dreaming to come to the United States. She looked at those pictures with big, big houses and everything. Did I tell you how she met Oswald, according to her? Mr. JENNER. What did she say? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. It was in the town of Minsk. There was some kind of apartment houses, supposed to be very, very good. And she saw that house and thought, "How wonderful if I just go there to visit in that apartment house." And Lee happened to be living there. And I think Lee was sick. And she sort of nursed him out, or something like that. That is how they met. And I don't know--but it is very possible that she was very much influential in making them come back. Mr. JENNER. Come to the United States? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Come to the United States. Mr. JENNER. That was the impression you obtained from her? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes, yes. On the other hand, he was also disappointed. He wasn't as excited as he was when he went over there, from the impressions we get from him. Mr. JENNER. From your contacts with him, you had the impression he had been disappointed in Russia? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. I asked him, "Why did you come back, if you were such a brave big hero and you threw the passport?" And as she told me, "In the American Ambassador's face in Moscow." He said, "Here is your passport, now I am going to be a Soviet citizen." And I said, "How come you are back?" He said, "I didn't find what I was looking for." Mr. JENNER. Oswald said that? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. That was Oswald's answer. "I didn't find what I was looking for." So, to me, the answer was the stupid kid decided to be obnoxious, and thinking he was a big hero went over there, and learned the hard way, burned himself, and decided to come back, and our Government was wonderful to help him at the time. And he was very conscientious about paying the debt, very conscientious. He paid it back, I think, the first thing, out of the first salary, in spite how hard it was for them to live. Those are the things. And I don't know of anybody saying anything good about him. And that made me a little mad. Nobody said anything good about him. He had a lot of good qualities. He had a lot of terrible qualities, but certainly to compare him with that horrible Ruby--Oswald had a lot of good qualities. And if people would be kinder to him, maybe, you know--maybe he wouldn't be driven to be so, and wouldn't do anything like that. I don't know whether he did or not, anyway. But he would not be involved in it. But I have the impression that he was just pushed, pushed, pushed, and she was probably nagging, nagging, nagging. Mr. JENNER. You found her to be a nagger? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; oh, yes; she ribbed him even in front of us. Mr. JENNER. She did? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. She did. She ribbed him so, that if I would ever speak to my husband that way we would not last long. I would not do it. Because I could see---- Mr. JENNER. What did she say? You see---- Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Oh, big hero, or look at that big shot, something like that. Mr. JENNER. When you say she ribbed him in front of us, that doesn't mean anything to us. That is a conclusion. What did she say to him? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Let me try to remember exactly. Don't forget, I am telling right now impressions. It is very difficult to remember exact words. But certain things led to leave that impression in my mind. Mr. JENNER. Mrs. De Mohrenschildt, it happens that you and George, having the time, having the inclination, being the kind of people you are, you saw more of the Oswalds than anybody else. And what I am trying to do is to obtain from you, not only your impressions, but how you came by them. Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. But what I want to tell you--I don't think it is correct. We didn't see them more than anybody else. In fact, we saw them maybe less, because she never lived with us--she stayed once overnight. And they have been very, very seldom at our house, very, very seldom. I cannot exactly tell how many times. But you can count it on your fingers how many times. And usually it was when finally I find the time and I said come over and I will make dinner for you, or something like that, because I knew they were not eating very well. He didn't care for it at all, but she did. She liked to eat well, and good things. So that was the only occasion we saw them. So I think other people saw them even more. For instance, the people that she lived with, absolutely, because he used to come and visit her. Mr. JENNER. Well, you were more direct with her and with him, you and your husband, because primarily his disposition is to speak his mind, and Oswald respected your husband. Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. He did. He respected him, and he respected me. And maybe that is what makes the difference with the rest of the crowd. He never was respectful. Once, as I said, he was a little--showed a little violence, and he said he will break all the baby's toys and tear her dresses if we take her away from him. I said, "Lee, where will that get you? If you really love Marina that is the last thing you should do, then you lose her forever." And he sort of boiled and boiled. He sat quietly, you know. And he said, all right, he would not do it. Mr. JENNER. Now, I asked you as to the sources of difficulty, and you related them. Did she twit him about his inability to make enough money so that she could live better? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. "Yes. That was one complaint. Another complaint, sexwise." "he wasn't satisfactory for her. In fact, she was almost sick that she wasn't getting enough sex, which I never heard of before." Mr. JENNER. Now, you were going to tell me the basis on which you formed your opinion as to her, you say, nagging. You used the term "ribbing." This was not jocular, was it--not joking? It was irritating? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. It was irritating. That he was a big shot, reading, reading, reading. Mr. JENNER. Would say that in your presence? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. Mr. JENNER. She would ridicule him, in other words? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes, in a way, yes. She said things that will hurt men's pride. That definitely was.

Simply too much large hole in the right back part of the skull eye-witness corroboration to keep trying to frame that reality as false. I appreciated Bethesda naval corpsman's James Jenkin's later life interviews and sharing his recollections of what he personally saw during the autopsy regards JFK's body and the procedures used in performing that task. Yet, I felt there were enough contradictions in his account that I just didn't give it a full vote of confidence. Most of it I did feel was accurate. His fellow autopsy attendant corpsman Paul O'Conner had a quite different take on what he observed regards JFK's skull wounds, missing brain tissue, and even the brain removal procedure used that evening. A procedure which was a specialty of O'Conner, not Jenkins. Jenkins did state he felt LBJ had something to do with the JFKA.

ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

This aspect of held back witness testimony has never been adequately quantified imo. I always believed that for every person who came forward with knowledge of any aspect or main player involvement in the JFKA there were 5 or even 10 that didn't. I think the average person would probably NOT want to place themselves in a position of danger through perceived fear of doing so by coming forward. I would imagine such held back testimony could be so hugely revealing it might have shaken the official JFKA story to it's core.

IMO those two pictures of McClelland placing his right hand on the back right side of his head are a depiction of a circumference circle. With his thumb touching the low point of the circle. The man was inches away from the back of JFK's head for 10 minutes or more. Directly in back of it. Is there any other doctor that was in Trauma Room one that had a better view of the back of head wound? I have to give him credibility based on that fact. And like so many other JFK witnesses, those that disagree with McClelland have to search for some subjectively questionable and biased reason to debunk him. The man was extremely attention seeking? What? How about he was so moved by the JFKA he felt a duty to get the record straight in regards to the hugely important head wound findings. He felt a sense of patriotic duty to speak up. Other doctors did not. You don't go on to a stellar long time career in a highly skilled area of medicine like McClelland and at the same time be some type of off base conspiracy kook. Bugliosi must have labeled 100 people in the JFKA story loons, kooks, crackpots to the point of his overdoing it to the point that he himself was kind of a crackpot in that extreme charge excess.

I've read that Tippit's girlfriend Johnny Maxie Witherspoon at one time lived near the Tippit murder scene.

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The Warren Commision concluded that established journalist Seth Kantor was overwhelmed with the excitement of the day and only "thought" he ran into Jack Ruby in Parkland Hospital just an hour after JFK was declared dead there. Even though Kantor's Ruby encounter story was corroborated by Wilma Tice.

Inconvenient Truths. In total...a truck load of altered and/or coerced testimony that would create reasonable doubt. Julia Ann Mercer's story of altered testimony including false signatures is one of the most compelling imo. Mercer's credibility was well established. Her Clay Shaw trial testimony was powerful and believable. "There was no notary present when I was questioned." "And that's not my signature on that affidavit."

One hope I harbor is that someone is able to run certain suspect character photo's through a modern "facial recognition" system of analysis to reveal some bombshell truth of conspiracy. Like the New Orleans Oswald flyer photo in front of the Trademart. Which I believe shows Oswald's future TXSBD supervisor Bill Shelley in the photo.. And maybe Rapheal Cruz Sr. ( Senator Ted Cruz's father ) as well? Same with the Dealey Plaza bystander photo which looks to me to be Rip Robertson? MSNBC political talk show host Chris Hayes just days ago interviewed the writer of the new book...Sedition Hunters: How January 6th Broke... Ryan J. Rielly. Hayes remarked about the remarkable success of facial recognition technology in identifying many of the persons filmed in the Capital Building during the insurrection. Even doing so with suspects who wore partial face covering masks and caps. Author Reilly further promoted Hayes's assessment and said facial recognition technology has advanced greatly and is now "very, very good" in it's abilities to provide high percentage accuracy results. If we could find just "one" high level covert character as present in Dealey Plaza at 12:30 PM on 11,22,1963 through facial recognition technology, folks it would be JFKA truth paradigm shifting. Even perhaps other important characters around leaflet passing Lee H. Oswald in New Orleans the summer of 1963? Look, we already have a photo of young Lee Oswald in a Youth Civil Air Patrol outing group photo with David Ferrie.

I sure hope so. Will Tucker Carlson finally reveal his JFKA truth source? Will some time traveling ability remote viewer of impeccable credentials see who was really in the 6th floor window and/or nefarious others in Dealey Plaza at the moment of murder? Will another former SS, FBI or even CIA agent come forward as Paul Landis did this past year? Perhaps offering a death bed confession of some bomb shell significance? Will RFK Jr. be given some credible secret evidence regards who did his father and uncle that will rock the nation and propel his 2024 candidacy into serious contention? Will Judyth Vary Baker come up with rock solid physical evidence that proves much more of her Oswald love affair story as being true? Will someone leak the psychiatric records of LBJ in his last days of Texas ranch home confinement due to his end-of-life mental breakdown? Maybe someone related to someone on the inside of the 1963 Dallas PD will reveal that Jack Ruby was helped in getting inside the DPD basement area just before Oswald was paraded through it? Maybe some new Roscoe White revelation? Will Sylvia Odio and her sister Anna's Oswald sighting be unequivocally proven to be true? What say you my fellow JFKA forum soothsayers?

Amazing. And this was 56 YEARS AGO! Imagine what we have now after almost 6 decades of more advanced technology!

I think most curious persons think Lennon's death "could have been" initiated by highest level nefarious political forces who saw Lennon and his music as a threat to their interests. Why not? After JFK, RFK, MLK and Malcom X were taken out like they were... no one totally trusted the government after that alternate social change policy promoting leadership slaughter. And Lennon's music was truly effecting the mind sets of tens of millions of young Americans. And not in the traditional power accumulation framework way Eisenhower described in his MIC warning speech. "Give Peace A Chance." "Imagine." "Imagine all the people Living for today Ah, ah, ah-ah Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion, too Imagine all the people Living life in peace Yoo-hoo, ooh-ooh You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will be as one Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world Yoo-hoo, ooh-ooh You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will live as one." JFK talked of peace too. And in defense of our long time intrepid JFK limo expert forum icon Pamela Brown. She's doing what the forum encourages imo. Respectful debate and questioning of others research propositions.

Why haven't the same mass of critics who savaged Oliver Stone's film "JFK" for it's supposed inaccuracies and Hollywood creative license liberties blasted King's story for the same reasons? Stone spent years and millions of dollars researching and consulting many of the deepest JFKA research persons leading up to his production being released to at least give his script a factual foundation that held up his over-all film story despite admitted liberties he took to enhance his film's popular appeal. I watched King's 11,22,1963 film. It was lightly entertaining. Reminded me of the old TV show "The Time Tunnel." But you could immediately see that it had about the same research basis weight as that cheap production TV show. A nationally released big budget film financed by major players must also make money. "JFK's" 17th century Jesuit priests order of film critics thought Stone's creative license use was devil inspired blasphemy. Off with his head! Burn him at the stake! Put him on "the rack" until his bones crack! They went that nuts on Oliver stone.

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Ah Ha! So, she and Styles DID run off toward the stairs in just seconds. Bolsters her story imo. That would not have been enough time for Oswald to stand up, run to the far end of the 6th floor, stash his rifle...then start his run to and down the stairs and beat Adams and Styles to those stairs below them imo.

I once read that 2,000,000 Vietnamese died and/or suffered horrific injuries. Lots of Laotians too I presume. Pol Pot took out how many of his own people? Another 2 million?

Haven't listened to the full interview. Just had time to hear the first 1/4th. Did Adams really state in the interview that she and Styles waited a full minute ( 60 seconds) after the shots to begin running out to the stairs? That potentially does screw up her timeline protest to Belin who refused a stopwatch test with her re-enacting her first actions after the shots. A full minute before she hit the stairs might have been enough time for a super fast walking Oswald to get down 4 flights to the lunch room. I thought Adams and Styles started their stair run within just a few seconds after the shots. Also, did she see the three colored fellows just one floor beneath the shooters perch actually descending the stairs themselves? I recall Junior Jarmon stating under oath in the "Trial Of Lee Harvey Oswald", that he and his two companions froze in their spot for quite awhile before deciding to go down the stairs. I sensed they didn't want to be considered suspects by a police department they knew were rough on colored folks.

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My God! It's all right there in the above posted memo! Aynesworth was a completely compromised disinformation agent provocateur for our government's intel agencies! This memo SHOUTS out this truth!

Was HA capable of going all the way with Marina? And of encouraging it to happen? I believe he was. He said in one of the taped interviews above he was quite the bachelor until he settled down with his wife. Claimed he visited Eva Grant and Jack Ruby's Vegas Club while single. He obviously liked the ladies. He knew of all the strip joints in town. My guess he was in the beer slurring shouting, runway pounding, ankle grabbing crowd more than once ogling the likes of Jada, Joy Dale, Kathy Kay, etc. Marina was simply gorgeous. Beautiful face. Radiant blue eyes. Wonderful feminine figure. Only 22 years old. We know from many testimonies Marina was a very sexually inclined young woman herself. For years frustrated with Lee's lack of interest. Starving for more affection. I sense Aynesworth was as energetic, aggressive and opportunistic in his dating life as he was in his professional life. I wouldn't be surprised at all to hear the HA/Marina hook-up story were true. The occasional mention of a more than platonic relationship between Marina and Ruth Paine is a story that I also can't easily dismiss. Ruth Paine's social life after Michael appears to be one of very little to no interest in men at all. For 60 years? However, her affection for Marina was quite strong. In my opinion even more than just a concerned Quaker do-gooder. I recently read where in one letter to Marina, Ruth flat out said to her "I love you Marina." Those are powerful words to say to someone you are just friends with. When a woman says those three words "directly" to another woman ( I love you ) it doesn't sound out-of-place if the woman saying this is a mother, sister, other relative such as grandmother, loving aunt etc. However, they're just too emotionally intimate for a friend to say them imo. Ruth was enamored with Marina...for sure. I don't think Marina was of the same mind set toward Ruth however. At the same time Ruth hated Lee Oswald. I believe to a point of not feeling bad about Lee's permanent removal from Marina's life.