Joe Bauer

In his brief time in the Texas Theater it seems Oswald was constantly nervously running around in the back and/or balcony seating area including plopping down right next to others ( with many open seating areas all around ) and creeping them out to the point of their leaving their seats. Also running out into the popcorn concession area and maybe/maybe not buying a box of popcorn, making a quick bathroom visit and then darting back again in the darkened theater to continue saddling up right next to other movie goers? Curious, did any of the heebie-jeebie feeling seat holders perhaps mention Oswald holding up a torn half of a dollar bill he was carrying and asking them some odd question while doing so like "Is it safe?" Just this Oswald creepy Texas Theater seat hopping, popcorn buying story of intrigue alone deserves a book imo. "THE POPCORN MAN" "Lee Harvey Oswald And The Texas Theater Balcony incident!" "The Defining Story That Finally Exposes The 'Corn Popping Truth' About The JFKA."

Just beginning to read the very basics of the American "Matta Hari" Viola June Cobb story after reading these debate postings about her. What a life! Almost hard to believe. I'm surprised a major A list film was never considered regards her and her many mysterious, highest covert level doings. I clicked on Images for her. Hardly any came up with the exception of one particular photo. It is a full body shot. In this she looks as femininely attractive as a major Hollywood starlet. Beautiful really. Aren't there other photos of her in her prime? Sorry for the distraction from the much more important heavy weight debate discussion in this thread.

How's this for just another of the "hundreds of examples" of LBJ's corrupt actions and how deeply he was connected to the wealthiest power people in Texas who facilitated much of that corruption. It was all part of a cabal of almost unfathomable corruption running that state for decades. Very soon after a jury found LBJ protege' Mac Wallace guilty of "murder with malice" in his brutal, broad daylight, witnessed by many killing of Austin Pitch and Putt golf course manager Doug Kinser, the LBJ owned judge immediately reduces the recommended typical long term prison sentence to only a 5 year probation one ( surreally outrageous ) with immediate release from custody !? LBJ's long time close buddy wealthy Texas oilman D.H. Byrd ( the owner of the Texas School Book Depository Building ) then gives Wallace a manager salary job at his Ling-Temco-Vought corporation within weeks of his conviction for murder? Wallace, a man with no specific background training and qualifications for the job and a known history of serious alcohol addiction and abuse? And a job that required security clearance as "LTV" did contract work for our military and in secret project areas? How could a man just convicted of "murder in the 1st degree" with malice just weeks before and with a known history of severe alcohol addiction and abuse pass any background clearance checks for such a job and company? In LBJ's and Texas's hugely permeated world of corruption...no problem.

The timing of the Callaway call to the DPD using Tippit's own car radio as Bill Brown relates is one of the most solid points of credible evidence regards the actual shooting time of Tippit. Callaway hears 5 gun shots. Seconds later he sees a man ( Oswald? ) running past his sitting location. He calls out to the man...'Hey man, what the hell is going on?" As the man runs farther away from him without answering, Callaway jumps up and begins running full tilt towards the location of the gun shot sounds just a block and a half away. He thereupon comes across Tippit's car and Tippit's body laying prone next to it. Was Callaway the first person to Tippit's car and body? After examining the shocking murder scene before him, Callaway instinctively reaches in and grabs the car radio phone and probably knowing it's simple push button activation system, does so and reports what he sees to a dispatcher. What is the officially recorded time record of Callaway's car radio phone call-in? Depending on the amount of time between Callaway hearing the gun shots and his calling in using Tippit's car phone...one can most credibly deduce a very close time frame for the actual shooting of Tippit. I totally agree with BB's time estimate of Callaway's actions up until the phone call. The most time for this would be 5 minutes imo. I add another minute to BB's time estimate in part to allow for a mind freezing period of Callaway first coming upon Tippit's bloody shot up dead body and trying to take in the once in a lifetime brutally shocking scene. If the Callaway call-in was recorded at 1:19 pm, that puts the Tippit shooting time at 1:14 pm. Now, compare that time frame to the ones reported by the employees of the Texas Theater and the shoe store salesman next door. Especially the time the shoe salesman first reported seeing (Oswald?) stopping to turn his head away from the street and facing his storefront window. Any discrepancies?

Totally disbelieve the claim. If Oswald wouldn't stop and pay his theater entrance fee, either to avoid having another eyewitness who could identify him or simply because he was too cheap to do so, either reason would stand for his not buying popcorn there as well. This is one case where I think the claimant was seeking publicity. I always wondered about the fact that nowhere has it ever been stated or written that Oswald went to the bathroom between 12:PM 11,22,1963 and up until his arrest and first interrogations at the Dallas PD building. Supposedly Oswald rushed into his boarding house at North Beckley, walk straight and quickly into his rented room, stayed a few minutes and then just as quickly walked out and into the street. His landlady Roberts was there just feet away the entire time Oswald came into her area. She never saw him use the commonly shared bathroom outside of his room. Were there any people in the Texas Theater who claimed to have seen him go to the theater bathroom?

Great stuff there CV. Incredibly enlightening. The "real" power and control people in America. And based on Eisenhower's MIC warning speech...still in control in 1960.

Was watching an interview on the new Book channel just a week or so ago. The book was about JFK's Viet Nam policy and the history of exactly what went down there right up until JFK's murder. When the interview discussion reached the timeline of the Diem murder, the writer mentioned that Lucien Conein was the liaison in direct contact with the Generals who would take control once Diem was removed. That mention of Conein and in that context stopped me. I am not a student of Conein but have seen his name pop up often in the dens of debate and discussion here on the forum. He sounds like he is in the same shady stuff milieu as people like Wild Bill Harvey.

2. He was pinned by a Secret Service agent Riding two cars behind Kennedy and Connally in the fateful Dallas motorcade, seated awkwardly next to Yarborough, LBJ "got a foretaste of what might lie ahead if he remained vice president," Caro writes: "Five years of trailing behind another man, humiliated, almost ignored, and powerless." But all that changed, of course, when Kennedy was shot. After the gunshots rang out, Secret Service agent Rufus Youngblood threw Johnson to the floor of the car and covered him with his body. LJB rode that way, calmly, all the way to the hospital. 3. After the assassination, LBJ took charge Years earlier, when LBJ "traded in the power of the Senate Majority Leader, the most powerful Majority Leader in history, for the limbo of the vice presidency," his whole demeanor changed, Caro reports. His shoulders had stooped, he developed a "hangdog look," and he was restless and fidgety. But on that fateful day in November 1963, as soon as top Kennedy aide Ken O'Donnell told LBJ that the president had died, everything changed. "Right then," LBJ ally Rep. Homer Thornberry said, Johnson "took charge." And everyone knew it. 4. LBJ wouldn't leave for D.C. without the Kennedys The first big decision Johnson made was that he wasn't going to fly back to Washington without Jackie Kennedy and, by extension, JFK's body. Many worried that the assassination was part of a conspiracy, and that Johnson might be next, so the Secret Service quietly drove him back to Air Force One before the press learned that Kennedy was dead. LBJ's next big decision was getting sworn in as president on the plane, in Dallas. To legitimize the transfer of power, he wanted Jackie Kennedy and top JFK aides in the room when he took the oath. 5. His phone call to RFK fed a "great blood feud" Before taking the oath, Johnson made a phone call from Air Force One to the attorney general, JFK's brother Robert, who loathed LBJ. Johnson wanted a legal opinion on where to take the oath, and the wording, but he also wanted to mute any criticism from the president's brother. Still, right after "Robert Kennedy had been told that the brother he loved so deeply was dead... he found himself talking to a man he hated," who was asking him how he could "without delay, formally assume his brother's office," Caro writes. Indeed, that bitter call "became a crucial element in the great blood feud" between the two men — "perhaps the greatest blood feud in American politics in the 20th century."

LBJ of course wasn't in on any organizational planning of the JFKA. How stupid would that be? All that was required of him was the be okay with it. To be ready for it. And to make sure there was a controllable investigation of it. And what more obvious action could LBJ take to do that than to appoint someone like his longtime fellow JFK hating friend Allan Dulles to be an influential member of the investigative commission and his "like brothers" friend J. Edgar Hoover ( also JFK and RFK hating) to be in charge of the evidence they would use to reach their JFKA guilty party finding? I don't understand LBJ down players pretending LBJ wasn't corrupt enough to ever condone or even possibly order certain threat enemies to be murdered in his obsession with political power and personal wealth gain. And obsession Ed Tatro described as ruthless, E. Howard Hunt described as "maniacal" and Richard Nixon even ominously inferred "You know that Lyndon...he never liked to be number two!"

The above photo is "epically" disturbing. One of the most disturbing in American history. LBJ pulled the totally traumatized and blood covered Jackie Kennedy into his swearing-in ceremony? She certainly didn't ask or volunteer to be a part of this sick purpose, cramped body political photo-op scene on her own. The look of grief, shock and trauma ( even terror!) on Jackie's face is so powerful it is heart breaking and gut wrenching to even see. Just minutes earlier she saw her husband's head savagely blown apart (just inches from her face!) with his brains and blood sprayed all over her! She clearly looks like someone who is so psychologically traumatized her number one priority need should have been being tended to by mental health professionals in an extreme crisis protocol. Sat or laid down in a quiet calm place, comforted, kept away from any crowds at all. Maybe even sedated? Not thrust into a stifling body cramped space filled with LBJ sycophants more than anyone else. Jackie K. probably didn't hear a word of what was being said. To me her requested attendance in that ceremony was beyond misguided. It was stunningly thoughtless even cold-hearted cruel. A twisted self-interest promoting kind of cruel. Besides the ghastly look of grief and shock on Jackie's face, the photo's other aspects just enhances it's epic tragic, sad and thoughtless cruelty energy conveyance. Perversely so. Congressman Thomas is smilingly winking at LBJ in what looks to me like a "celebratory" gesture? Like "good going Lyndon buddy" you're THE MAN now! How f****** stupid ... even sick that looks in that photo. Imo there is not one rationally excusable reason Thomas could give to be smiling and congratulatory winking at LBJ in that social setting. Not one. And then there is Lady Bird's restrained yet still incongruously misplaced smile expression. I'm sure it wasn't intentionally unfeeling in meaning. I would imagine someone in her position not knowing exactly how to react in that unprecedented highly shocking sad and tension filled situation. Yet, Lady Bird's smile just adds to the photo's epically disturbing perverseness of a totally traumatized Jackie K's torment in not just being dragged into that stifling body cramped political photo-op den of LBJ cronies at a time of extreme psychological trauma personal need and care, but juxtaposed even more disturbingly with the odd facial expressions ( sinister meaning or not ) shown in it.

Ha. And how about "The Booze, Bets And Sex That Built America."

James Keane I agree.

Greg Burnham returns - WOW! You were one of the regularly contributing posters who many years ago kept me pulled into the forum as a non-member reading guest and eventually inspired me to taking the plunge and joining it. I really enjoyed your interviews of Gerry Patrick Hemming. That over-sized personality character of loud, boisterous and bragging bluster who was truly deep in the covert world of combat action intrigue to the degree that I believed much of what he claimed...was true! Good to see and read your insights here again.

Name me one highly researched, financed, and non-sanitized factually inclusive JFKA film ( documentary or commercial ) ever made that met the accuracy and libel standards you demand for JFKA truth legitimacy? No production group and script writer could ever attempt and create any truly honest JFKA film piece and have it meet your standards of accuracy and libel protection. You trash TMWKK ( and especially "The Guilty Men" episode ) as if they were the work of evil in violating the sacred biblical tenant of truth. Obviously you feel the other most famous JFKA films such as Oliver Stone's "JFK" or even Dalton Trumbo's "Executive Action" are of the same integrity soiling cloth? The reality is that no truly honest JFKA historical film adaption production could ever be made that doesn't include the thousands of factoids and testimonies that contradict the official WC narrative. And one that didn't question the integrity of many major players to at least an "inference" degree. LBJ's corruption was monumental. We all know this. "The Guilty Men" episode in the TMWKK series allowed for respected researchers to voice their beliefs regarding LBJ's corruption as well as a possible role in the JFKA. I believe that the History Channel and their parent company caved into a lawsuit pressure campaign that was so massive and born from some of the highest rungs of power unlike anything they ever imagined. They threw Nigel Turner and TMWKK doc. under the bus rather than face the very real prospect of expending millions of dollars in lawsuit proceedings. They had to apologize to Lady Bird Johnson? Talk of LBJ's guilt in the JFKA had already been widely discoursed nationally and even written about starting the day of Kennedy's death! Many best-selling books proposed the same accusatory charge! How about the Johnson family apologizing to America for LBJ's political and personal business corruption, lies and war policies that caused many thousands of American soldier deaths and millions of those we were ordered to kill? Nigel Turner's series exposed hugely important truths to the world regarding LBJ's true level of corruption and the much larger corruption machine that ran Texas since the 1930's and 1940's and that permeated into all areas of our government on much higher levels. Much of what Turner revealed about the JFKA and the major players involved in his TMWKK series was never known before and would have never been known except for it's creation.

The main conclusion they came to regards Oswald's JFK motive was what? I ask because it seems to me that it was simply this incredibly vague and weak - he wanted to be noticed as someone significant? Or, Oswald wanted to bring the entire systems of both world ruling governments down in one magnificent chaotic crash? As both the American and Soviet ones were abusive to the working classes? Or, it was an act of extreme personal frustration? Maybe even a suicidal one? Extreme hopelessness frustration over his failed marriage and losing the only three things he truly loved...Marina, Junie and newborn baby Rachel? Take THAT Marina. You rejected me so I am going to do something that will probably hurt you and our children the rest of their lives. You and they will be forever linked to the notorious killer of JFK. Hard to believe that one. Or, maybe he simply took on this task as a supreme act of love for Marina. For a large sum of money that would go to Marina...in some laundered way? Maybe through public sympathy funds? No, this one doesn't work for me either. Or, did he think that Castro would consider him a hero and finally allow him into his country? If it was the latter he sure could have used some help getting out of the country within minutes of the killing. Oswald's motives for everything he ever did is the ultimate enigma. His adventure in Russia. His pot shot at Walker. His New Orleans and Clinton activities. His Mexico City vacation. His backyard photos. His alleged shooting of JFK and Officer Tippit. All this unresolved motive confusion is the weakest link in any conclusion finding , especially the WC one...in my opinion anyways.

No role? In hindsight you think maybe they should have? Considering the worst-case security failure in American history? I also wonder what Hosty and his crew thought when Oswald was gunned down right inside of the Dallas police station? Gee...you see that? No professional criticism at all directed at the Dallas PD? They had our main suspect right in the palm of their hand. Ah, but it gave Hosty's boss Gordon Shanklin this great excuse to order Hosty to destroy the Oswald file. Well, he's dead now. Hosty get rid of this. But boss, isn't that destruction of evidence? Hosty...just do what I said ... okay?

Oswald did say to the world press ..."yes I worked in that building..." which pretty much convinced millions of his guilt right then and there. Speaking of Dallas FBI agent James Hosty...the highest security alert time in his career was when JFK was riding opened limo exposed through his known JFK hating ( Wanted For Treason postered and newspaper ad placement ) extreme right wing and segregationist hometown on 11,22,1963. And what are his actions in the middle of the motorcade? He watches it go bye standing on a sidewalk like 100,000 other bystanders, and when JFK is out of sight, he simply saunters into a local diner to have lunch? Really? That is highest security alert protocol and behavior?

Was this another line up where the swollen faced and disheveled and raggedy T-shirt wearing Oswald is placed among better dressed and groomed others? Mrs. Markham...did you ever speak to a man who identified himself as Mark Lane? NO! Did you ever say anything close to what he claims you said to him in his telephone conversation with you? NO! Markham told the truth? I've read Markham's testimony. Imo she just doesn't sound coherent of the questions much of the time. She rambles and contradicts herself time and again. She also comes across to me as much more deeply effected by fear than most witnesses. Fear of putting herself in any situation of negative personal reputation or even criminal incrimination.

Wasn't JFK's long time secretary Evelyn Lincoln an LBJ/main suspect believer? How could Jackie Kennedy "not" have had at least some suspicion about LBJ? She knew LBJ hated and was extremely jealous of her husband and RFK even more. She heard her husband and his brother just trash LBJ many times. I wouldn't be surprised to learn JFK had confided to her that LBJ was incredibly corrupt. LBJ knew both brothers felt that way towards him. And he hated them for it. No debate on that point. If JFK told Jackie that they were in "nut country" now ( referring to Texas ) that would just add to some suspicion on her part that their favorite son good-ole-boy Lyndon represented that kind of darkly humorous yet truly ominous threat mind set. Jackie considering LBJ as one of her guilty party choices makes much more sense than her not doing so. IMO anyways.

Whoever created the original choice list for an investigative commission and presented this to LBJ is my pick for one of the top suspects in regards to who was really "in charge" in controlling the entire situation and subsequent cover-up. Firstly keep any investigation authority away from the Congress and bully away any other contrary efforts to take control of such. Including pressuring away any serious and well financed one in Texas as well. Make sure the "Oswald nut case who just got lucky" scenario is the main foundational focus baseline throughout the investigation and any trap door testimonies suggesting otherwise be controlled and veered away from. The WC list presented to LBJ, and who then had J. Edgar Hoover rubber stamp it, was the very beginning of logically strong suspicion of a setup and coverup agenda from the get-go. Any common sense American law system respecting person would cringe if they heard a Grand Jury looking into the murder of anyone, consisted of people "the murder victim" had fired and who hated them for it ( Dulles), of people who were lifetime close to that fired person ( McCloy), of people who knew in advance they were going to compromise the independent body mandate of their investigation commission ( Gerald Ford ) who kept the FBI informed way beyond that mandate. FBI agent James Hosty once stated in a radio interview promoting his book "Assignment Oswald" ..."we had three of them." Referring to members of the Warren Commission ( Ford and two others unnamed ) who kept his agency informed of their closed-door meeting findings, again, beyond and in violation of the "independent integrity " mandate imposed upon it. It wasn't supposed to be "The FBI Commission." With JFK and RFK hating J. Edgar Hoover as it's head. Also, members of Congress from JFK hating segregation states and who LBJ knew he could control if they started to get out of line. Earl Warren himself seemed bullied and perhaps was made to believe his mission really was about preventing WW 3? Putting these JFK conflicted biased and other loyalty compromised men on that commission, especially the JFK hating Dulles, so obviously destroyed it's integrity from it's inception. And everyone knew it. You'd think that J. Edgar Hoover himself might have paused a little when LBJ mentioned Alan Dulles name from his investigation commission member choice list. Uh ... well ... Mr. President ... uh ... you really think appointing a man who JFK humiliatingly fired and who hates JFK for this slight is the right kind of person to choose for a truth finding commission regards the murder of JFK and that you are promoting as the most unbiased and highest integrity one? How about balancing things out a bit. Maybe replacing Dulles with Adlai Stevenson?

If Markham's questioners had helped Markham by sorting out and better explaining each of their questions maybe her answers wouldn't have sounded so laughably confused and self-contradictory? I actually burst out laughing the first time I read the testimony exchange between Ball and Markham because it reminded me so much of the Abbot and Costello "Who's On First" routine. Costello: That's what I want to find out. Abbott: I say Who's on first, What's on second, I Don't Know's on third. Costello: Are you the manager? Abbott: Yes. Costello: You gonna be the coach too? Abbott: Yes. Costello: And you don't know the fellows' names? Abbott: Well I should. Costello: Well then who's on first? Abbott: Yes. Costello: I mean the fellow's name. Abbott: Who. Costello: The guy on first. Abbott: Who. Costello: The first baseman. Abbott: Who. Costello: The guy playing... Abbott: Who is on first! Costello: I'm asking YOU who's on first. Abbott: That's the man's name. Costello: That's who's name? Abbott: Yes. Costello: Well go ahead and tell me. Abbott: That's it. Costello: That's who? Abbott: Yes.

Have never read of this story. What happened there? My brother was an air policeman stationed at an Air Force Base in Morocco around 1960 and forward. The same base? By the way...not to veer off the LBJ subject at all but this Morocco base is where my brother and his fellow AP's on guard duty one sight saw several circular red objects hovering over the base. With one dropping down and slowly flying over ground parked bombers. Then...shooting off into the sky at such a fast rate you had to be staring at it directly to notice it doing so versus thinking it just blinked off. My brother told me that when his security detail called in their sighting to their superior officer that there was a long pause and then this command: "We have nothing on radar. Therefore, you saw nothing. And don't write home about it."

So, the answer is yes?

I agree.