Joe Bauer

Joseph McBride?

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19 false convictions and incarcerations is a mind-boggling number on it's own...and it's certain that there were more. Wade looked and sounded like the poster boy for corrupt segregationist mentality justice departments back in those times. Good Ole Boy drawl, connected to nefarious characters and groups socially. KKK liked. Wade himself popped into Ruby's Carousel Club at least enough times that one former employee ( bar manager ) Nancy Hamilton recounted his presence there! Yet, he feigned ignorance of his knowing Jack Ruby during the national media coverage press conference held in the Dallas Police department building the night of Jack Ruby's arrest for the murder of Lee Oswald. Wade quote " His name ( referring to Ruby ) is a Jack Rubenstein...I believe..." Come on Mr. Wade...you knew Jack Ruby well enough. He operated in your city for decades. Over half the 1,000 member Dallas police department knew or knew of Jack Ruby. I've posted many times on the forum regards my feelings that the murder of Lee Oswald right inside the Dallas PD building with 70 armed police or other agency personnel present was the greatest most negligent failure of police custody physical security of the most important criminal suspect...in American History! Oswald's murder ( witnessed live or seconds later on tape by over 100 million American citizens ) created the greatest loss of trust in our government than any other singular event in our history. One group and it's managing leadership was solely responsible for this unprecedented society damaging and traumatizing event...the Dallas Police Department. Chief Curry, Captain Will Fritz and any other DPD head who ignored warnings from "even members of their own department" that Oswald's life and death danger threat was so massive and real that any movement of him should have been carried out the opposite way of publicly announcing a broad daylight and even general time frame and location of it ( and without the risky circus of allowing a crushing pushing crowd of press corps within feet of Oswald and just as he was being put into any transportation vehicle ) puts the entire onus of blame on top of their shoulders. Oswald's life was in the hands of the DPD. It was "solely" their responsibility. Oswald's personal security should have had a national security priority equal to that of the most highest level threats our entire society had ever been confronted with. Oswald should have been secured in a military base type environment. Not the Jack Ruby coming and going frantic press over run Dallas Police department one. Our President had been slaughtered in broad daylight public in front of hundreds of witnesses just two days before...and Oswald was the "only lead" America had in learning who was responsible for the crime of the century. The repercussions of Oswald's murder were so negatively massive then and even today to our national collective sense of governmental trust it was the defining event in that realm, perhaps ever! How Curry and Fritz and others in their circle weren't fired for the 2nd greatest security failure in American history is a travesty imo. Also, if any other high Dallas city officials such as Mayor Cabell and DA Wade didn't say a word to Curry and Fritz regards their publicly announced Oswald transfer security plan (which even a high school kid would have considered crazily illogical considering the massive Oswald threat reports by the thousands ) then they too share blame for the Oswald security failure. I know a lawsuit against the DPD for their epic negligence in the worst case security failure of an innocent until proven guilty by court of law untried criminal suspect in their custody would have never been allowed by any judge in Texas...still, there should have been some real liability consequences put upon those directly responsible for Oswald's very preventable death. Marina Oswald, Oswald's children and brother and even mother technically and probably legally should have been redressed for the death of the " innocent until proven guilty " Lee Oswald in the extremely negligent security hands of the Dallas PD.

Oh, I see.

Excuse my naivete but ... what are we supposed to see in the above video regards this Duncan MacRae fellow? I've been viewing it for 5 minutes now, studying every person besides Nickleson and Nick Cage like a "Where's Waldo" challenge and so far I just don't get it. Is the big guy behind JN and NC somebody of interest? Or the super short guy next to JN? JN is only 5 ft. 10 in. ... so that guy must be just 4 ft. ! And why does Jack Nickleson so often wear dark sunglasses in a semi-darkened theater? Why was this MacRae fellow booted from our forum?

I implore our members ( and our usual 75 guests ) to give this podcast a look/hear. It is incredibly compelling. The guest speaker is so well spoken which makes his presentation even more interesting. Reposting here an entry of mine just two days ago on the Curtis LeMay thread. Fetter goes deep into the LeMay and Lyman Lemnitzer/JFK relationship in his new book which I am acquiring in the next week. I think it's fair to say that General Lyman Lemnitzer was also not a fan of JFK. To what degree is the question. Did Lemnitzer respect his fellow General Curtis Le May more than JFK? Also wonder what Lemnitzer thought of General Edwin Walker. Lemnitzer was appointed chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in September 1960 allowing to remain on active duty despite having reached the mandatory retirement age of 60. As chairman, Lemnitzer was involved in the Bay of Pigs crisis and the early years of United States involvement in the Vietnam War. He was also required to testify before the United States Senate Foreign Affairs Committee about his knowledge of the activities of Major General Edwin Walker, who had been dismissed from the Army over alleged attempts to promote his political beliefs in the military. As chairman, Lemnitzer approved the plans known as Operation Northwoods in 1962, a proposed plan to discredit the Castro regime and create support for military action against Cuba by staging false flag acts of terrorism and developing "a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington". Lemnitzer presented the plans to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on March 13, 1962. It is unclear how McNamara reacted, but three days later President John F. Kennedy told the general that there was no chance that the US would take military action against Cuba. Within a few months, after the refusal to endorse Operation Northwoods, Lemnitzer was denied another term as chairman.[4 ]In 1975, President Gerald Ford appointed Lemnitzer to the Commission on CIA Activities within the United States, also known as the Rockefeller Commission, to investigate whether the CIA had committed acts that violated US laws, and allegations that E. Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis (of Watergate fame) were involved in the assassination of John F. Kennedy.

Of course it makes no sense.

What an inspiring leader JFK was. Not just for his fellow Americans...but for all the peoples of the world.

True. Good point.

I think it's fair to say that General Lyman Lemnitzer was also not a fan of JFK. To what degree is the question. Did Lemnitzer respect his fellow General Curtis Le May more than JFK? Also wonder what Lemnitzer thought of General Edwin Walker. Lemnitzer was appointed chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in September 1960 allowing to remain on active duty despite having reached the mandatory retirement age of 60. As chairman, Lemnitzer was involved in the Bay of Pigs crisis and the early years of United States involvement in the Vietnam War. He was also required to testify before the United States Senate Foreign Affairs Committee about his knowledge of the activities of Major General Edwin Walker, who had been dismissed from the Army over alleged attempts to promote his political beliefs in the military. As chairman, Lemnitzer approved the plans known as Operation Northwoods in 1962, a proposed plan to discredit the Castro regime and create support for military action against Cuba by staging false flag acts of terrorism and developing "a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington". Lemnitzer presented the plans to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on March 13, 1962. It is unclear how McNamara reacted, but three days later President John F. Kennedy told the general that there was no chance that the US would take military action against Cuba. Within a few months, after the refusal to endorse Operation Northwoods, Lemnitzer was denied another term as chairman.[4 ]In 1975, President Gerald Ford appointed Lemnitzer to the Commission on CIA Activities within the United States, also known as the Rockefeller Commission, to investigate whether the CIA had committed acts that violated US laws, and allegations that E. Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis (of Watergate fame) were involved in the assassination of John F. Kennedy.

There it is. PROOF...HA was lying.

HA said ... "I went out 'a couple hours later' and examined that car and there was a crack on the 'inside' " of the windshield. Within minutes ( even if it was 20 minutes later ) after arriving at the Parkland hospital ER entrance the police shooed away anyone getting close to the limo. Medical student Evalea Gangles was one of the last crowd members to get close enough to the windshield to examine it that closely. She said they soon after drove the limo away. And I believe they ( Secret Service ) put the top back on before they drove it away? So, HA drives out to Parkland 2 hours after the JFK shooting and is allowed by someone to get that close to the limo...and even to get his upper body inside to examine the inside of the windshield? A reporter? Think about the facts of the limo movement and guarding time frame here. Exactly when was the limo driven to the airport and flown back to DC?

HA! Loudly munching on a large cardboard cup of buttered popcorn and shouting at Van Heflin on the screen..."Go Get Em Baby!"

Oswald did like the ladies more than reported. I do believe that if a woman other than Marina that Oswald found attractive showed him a little interest ( flirting?) he was capable of returning that interest. In this regards the part of Judyth Vary Baker's story of their first post office googly-eyed contact spark encounter doesn't seem totally incredible imo. And Lee really got his mojo turned on once by a cute ( and intriguing background ) little Japanese girl who was present at a Dallas White Russian gathering Christmas/New Years Eve party he and Marina attended with the De Mohrenschildts in 1962. ( mistakenly reported as 1963 below. ) Jeanne De Mohrenschildt Warren Commission Testimony: "Mr. JENNER. Did you bring Lee and Marina to the party? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. I don't believe so. I think somebody else got them, because I think we had people, out of town guests, and in fact we came in very late, I think. We arrived quite late that day. Mr. JENNER. You arrived at the party late? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; once we were late. I forgot which showing it was. We had a couple of people out of town. We invited them for dinner, and then we brought them over. Mr. JENNER. That was the only purpose of the meeting that you have indicated? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. The only purpose of? Mr. JENNER. The meeting, the only purpose was the one you have indicated? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Oh, yes. Mr. JENNER. Did you attend a combination Christmas and New Year's party in December of 1963 at the Fords? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. I don't know the date. Mr. JENNER. 1963. Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. I don't know the date, but there was a party, and we attended it. Mr. JENNER. Please, when you say you don't know the dates, was it in December? Was it in the holiday period? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. It was in the holiday period, but was it December or was it early January, I don't remember. Mr. JENNER. And who was at that party? >>> Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. There were quite a lot of people from this Russian colony and among them there was a little Japanese girl. Do you know about Yaeko? <<< Mr. JENNER. Y-a-e-k-o? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. That is right. Mr. JENNER. Did you know Yaeko before? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; we knew Yaeko before. Mr. JENNER. What was her last name? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. I don't remember her last name because we always called her Yaeko. Mr. JENNER. Where was she working? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. I don't know whether she was working at the time or not, but she was imported by some American family. She came with the family. She is supposed to be from a very fine Japanese family. She was wealthy. It was strange she worked almost as a servant in some family. I know she had only one day off, because I remember when we wanted to invite her it was only one day, Thursday, that we could invite her. Then she did some work with Neiman Marcus. Mr. JENNER. Neiman Marcus? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Then she was a musician. She played the Japanese special long, long instrument, and she was playing with the Dallas Symphony, and she was also playing at exhibits, Neiman Marcus gives exhibits, you know, oriental exhibits, whatever it was, that fall, and she was participating in it. That is what we know about Yaeko. But then we heard that she was in New York. >>> To tell you frankly I never trusted Yaeko. I thought there was something fishy, maybe because I was brought up with Japanese, you know, and I knew what treachery it is, you know. I just somehow--she was very pleasant, but was very strange to me the way she was floating around, you know, and everything. There is another strange thing happened, too, with that Yaeko. <<< >>> Mr. JENNER. Involving the Oswalds? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. Mr. JENNER. Tell us. <<< Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. That was very funny because they practically spent all evening together at that party, and Marina was furious, of course, about it. And the party that brought Yaeko to the party was furious about it, too, and I don't blame him for it. >>> And from what I understand, Marina told me THAT OSWALD SAW YAEKO AFTER ( !!! ) , which was very unusual, because I don't think Oswald wanted to see anyone, let's put it that way. <<< He would rather just sit by himself and--locked, in a house, not to see anyone. And, in fact, Marina was jealous of it, from Yaeko. She was the only person we know that Oswald really liked. Mr. JENNER. Can you recall the names of the family with whom Yaeko---by whom Yaeko was employed? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. No; but I can find out very easily. Mr. JENNER. How? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Through Dallas. They know the people that actually introduced Yaeko. It will be Henry Rogatz who knows Yaeko very well. Mr. JENNER. Spell that, please. Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Two people who can give you everything about Yoico because they have been carrying on helping her all the time. Henry Rogatz, also in---- Mr. JENNER. Henry Rogatz, R-o-g-a-t-z, and Lev Aronson, A-r-o-n-s-o-n? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; and I believe I have Lev's address in my phone book, if I need it. I can phone you. I don't know if we have Henry's address now. They are both very nice people, charming people. Mr. JENNER. Would you do this. Call my hotel, The Madison? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Call later on? Mr. JENNER. And leave a message at my hotel as to Mr. Aronson's address and telephone number, if you have it? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; and maybe we have Henry's address. Maybe somebody sent it to us because we asked. We didn't have it with us when we left. We just moved. Voshinin liked Yaeko. Mr. JENNER. Voshinin? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; but I think Henry can tell you much more than anybody. Mr. JENNER. How, otherwise, did Oswald act at this Christmas party. He paid a great deal of attention, apparently, to---- Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; they talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. Mr. JENNER. To the Japanese girl? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; what did they talk about, I don't have slightest idea. But everybody remarked and we were laughing about it. We were teasing Marina how he had a little Japanese girl now, you now. That was just as fun, of course, you know. >>> But evidently they not only talked because she ( Marina ) said HE ( LEE ) SAW HER LATER .. and he liked her. That is what she told me. He really liked Yaeko." <<< Does anyone think single, ladies loving Oswald remained celibate during all his time stationed in Japan? That he didn't ever visit the off-base girl clubs from time to time to have some real fun? His experience in that way, may explain why he instantly felt flashback turn on feelings upon seeing the apparently quite beautiful Japanese girl ( unattended ) at this party? And their instantaneous flirty connection conversation went on to the point that Marina was apparently so fuming with jealousy she was ready to do a high flying Cossack dance kick into Lee's groin to end it. Fascinating true story which proved Lee was capable of expressing interests in other women besides Marina...imo anyways.

>>> but also to have examined the windshield of JFK's limo the afternoon of the assassination, claiming to have felt the inside where a "fragment" hit. ??? <<< You've got to kidding me!

In all my years engaging on the forum, I have never been absolutely convinced that LHO wasn't involved in some way with the murders of JFK and Tippit. Ruby whacking Oswald ( the most important and threatened criminal suspect in American history ) with impossible access into the police packed DPD building basement and getting within just a few feet from Oswald unnoticed tells me Oswald had to die. Why? Because he knew things that would have rocked our society to it's core. If Oswald was an innocent nobody, he wouldn't have been close up whacked under impossibly breached security measures circumstances within hours of JFK. The appointment of JFK hater Allan Dulles, his long time buddy John McCloy and the FBI plant Gerald Ford to the Warren Commission is the first most obvious fact that proves in my mind it was a corrupt sham.

It's logical to wonder what motivated Oswald to do the extraordinarily violent acts he committed. If he didn't do them, then yes the thread context is not a worthy one.

HA says he also interviewed Earlene Roberts on 11,22,1963? So, he's in Dealey Plaza right when JFK is hit, minutes later he races out to the Tippit murder scene, minutes later he then races to the Texas Theater and is a witness to Oswald being grabbed there...and he also makes it to Oswald's rooming house to interview Roberts...all in the same afternoon? Really? Truly a magnificent journalistic feat. Wonder why he didn't fly over to Parkland hospital during the time JFK was there?

But is LHO's devastatingly neglected and heart breaking childhood the main psychological reason he could become such a hate filled cold blooded murderer just 20 years later. How does LHO's childhood trauma figure into a hatred of JFK to a brutal murder degree? And/or a sadistic over-kill shot execution of DPD officer JD Tippit? Sometimes a "Manchurian Candidate" Oswald scenario fits into the mystery motivation story as much as any other, imo.

Is this true? It always seemed to me that Yoko had much more mental control over John than most even contemplated. To a degree it all seemed kind of creepy.

What a massive Machiavellian world that all was. Woodward has always been connected it seems. Access way beyond any other major news print media journalist. Even in today's times. He gets Trump ( while Trump is President ) to talk to him dozens of times in personal chats? Which he then uses as a sensationalized hook in his book? I remember watching a segment of the Bill O'Reilly TV show where he interviewed Frank Fiorini ( AKA Frank Sturgis ) regards Watergate mostly, but also the JFK assassination. O'Reilly asked Sturgis who was CIA in the White House during the Watergate scandal. Sturgis stated Alexander Haig...and Alexander Butterfield. Butterfield was the White House taped conversations man. Of course. Control those tapes and you control Nixon when you need to. Bennett, Howard Hughes, William Gay...all Mormons? "Steady, straight-living, efficient breed?" Mormons? Strange religious order imo. A guy named Joe Smith finds some gold tablets in the desert sand and declares them to be sent from God?

Wow! Very interesting.

Or Ruby's strippers, Sylvia Odio, Josefa Johnson, Marilyn Monroe, Dorothy Kilgallen and maybe even Judyth Vary Baker?

Oswald's mind set and actions in the last year of his life are confusing. Yes, he showed big brother type caring and feeling when he scolded the two brothers for fighting. And he was definitely very loving to his baby daughter Junie. His shooting at Walker was an extremely violent action...and one not done out of self-defense like you say he may have felt in the Tippit shooting, if he did it at all. Okay, so you say the Tippit killing was not a rage killing? You do acknowledge however that 3 shots that clearly had Tippit down and out was not enough for Tippit's shooter. He had to walk up close to Tippit's prone body, aim directly to his head and administer a last "coup de gras" head shot ... for what? So, even if it was not a rage execution, you at least call it a "cold blooded" one. Was Oswald that cold blooded? That unfeeling? The point of my original post is the conundrum of Oswald committing these cold blooded murders and trying to understand how Oswald became so cold blooded. To inflict such brutality on JFK would require some deep motivation for doing so. I don't see where that motivation came from. It seemed Oswald harbored no deep hatred for JFK. He didn't hate JFK for the reasons all those others hated JFK for. Revenge for the Bay Of Pigs. JFK's stance on segregation. JFK and RFK's broken deals with the American Mafia. Intelligence agency power competition. Military too. Big Oil interests threatening. Yet, Oswald was found to have gone after JFK more violently than all those other powerful JFK hating groups? I don't even see Oswald's incredibly neglectful childhood trauma as being a logical motivation explanation reason for him to blow JFK's head off. What was Lee Oswald's motive for committing the ultimate violent act of brutality against JFK? If it was simple hate ... what did JFK do to inspire that in Oswald?

So much has been written about Oswald and his childhood to young adulthood anger and hatred issues. Obviously Oswald's childhood from infancy was devastating to him emotionally. Total disruption in parental care and nurturing as a child. Shipped out to foster care for a time? No father. A crushingly domineering mother. Unstable living situations with many moves. Dirt poor. Some bullying and beating of him in elementary and junior high school. Hardly any close friends. He acted out at what 13? Pulling a knife on a relative in a shared cramped apartment in NYC. Truancy so frequent he was evaluated by a school psychologist. Dying to get away from his sad life with his mother, he joins the Marines at the earliest age possible. In the Marines he has more than the normal confrontations with fellow Marines and in one physical fight incident gets demoted in rank. A number of his fellow soldiers describe him as offish and unfriendly. Upon Oswald's release from the Marines he leaves to go to Russia. Lives there three years? Has anyone ever read of Oswald having any confrontational anger issue episodes with anyone there? Did Marina ever state that she saw Lee exhibit anger or rage in anyway there? Throwing things, threatening words? I'm trying to establish a historical pattern of anger and even rageful violence on Lee Oswald's part showing itself from childhood on through his final young adult life years. By late 1962 and into early 1963 Lee Oswald was reportedly expressing extreme violence thoughts and actually exhibiting alleged acts of extreme violence. His attempt to shoot and kill General Edwin Walker. He talked of violently hijacking a plane to Cuba with Marina's help? Lee gets into a violent confrontation with Cuban expatriates on a busy downtown NO street in broad daylight? Lee is accused of being physically abusive toward Marina. They fight often. Had Lee begun to lose it emotionally in his two years of financial and marriage stress and struggling back here in the states? So then we come to 11/22/1963. The official finding of the Warren Commission is that Oswald alone shot JFK from the 6th floor of the Texas School Book depository building. Less than one hour later, he is charged with shooting to death Dallas PD officer J.D. Tippit. Both the JFK killing and Tippit killings were what many would categorize as "rage" killings. Oswald allegedly shot at JFK not once, but three times. He misses the first shot, but nails JFK in the back with a second shot. Oswald or whoever could see JFK was seriously injured with the second shot. But the shooter isn't satisfied just wounding JFK... he must blow JFK's head off to be sure he will die. And knowingly taking that last head exploding kill shot with Jackie's horrified face just inches away reflects a person who is driven with something deeper than most killers. A rage. Jealousy can drive a man into that kind of rage. Abuse as a child can also. And the Tippit killer also killed with rage. It wasn't enough to hit Tippit 3 times and bring him down on the ground, obviously dying. The shooter also had to then walk up close and finish Tippit with a coup de grace head shot. That last head shot was unnecessary except to satisfy a rage impulse. Oswald pulled his revolver and tried to shoot Officer MacDonald in the Texas theater. He fought with a ferocity when it misfired. There was a hand knife found near the seats the fighting took place. It has been speculated that it was Oswald's knife and he would have used it if it hadn't dropped down during the fight. Oswald was acting out in the most extreme violence way. Again, in a rage? There were millions of JFK ( and RFK ) haters in America by 1963 who hated them both "with a rage." Segregationist - KKK types. Cuban expatriates. American covert ops intelligence types. The Bay Of Pigs revenge types. The Mafia. Probably big oil and corrupt Texans and even LBJ and J. Edgar Hoover themselves. Maybe even some of our top military people? But Oswald wasn't connected to the JFK raging hate mind set of those other groups. Yet, if Oswald did JFK and Tippit, he did so with a brutal rage. It is a perplexing conundrum imo, to come up with how he could have harbored such rage toward JFK. Can anyone offer a different Oswald JFK rage explanation? LBJ protege Mac Wallace was in a drunken rage when he over-kill shot Austin, TX pitch and putt manager Doug Kinser in broad daylight in front of witnesses. He was jealous because Kinser was sleeping with his ex-wife and reportedly LBJ's sister Josepha who Wallace was also intimate with. Now there's a rage we can understand. However, I can't understand Oswald's rage toward JFK and even J.D. Tippit. Your thoughts?