Denny Zartman

Also, White joined the Dallas police two months before the assassination of JFK, and White's wife Geneva had worked for Jack Ruby.

Look at all those protesters with all those open umbrellas! Gosh!

Interesting that this informal poll turned out poorly for Posner. Funnily enough, "Case Closed" was the first JFK book I ever read, and it managed to convince me of a conspiracy all on its own. A lot of folks knew something was rotten in Denmark the minute Ruby killed Oswald. For anyone else born after that event, all it takes is a child's level understanding of physics. In the Zapruder film JFK's head is driven back and to the left. That's not going to happen from a shot coming from the above right. Finally, the current official position of the United States government is that JFK was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. It's those folks who think Oswald acted alone who are outside official opinion.

Absolutely this 100%. Anyone interested in the truth about the JFKA owes Mark Lane a huge debt of gratitude. He had tremendous courage and tenacity.

Thanks for the information, very informative. It seems clear that if these test results were in fact any way incriminating, they wouldn't have been misrepresented and suppressed.

Thank you for this. It's a very important observation.

I think the four part version is also my preferred version. There's just so much to absorb, and with more detail and time it's easier to follow. And you're right that the four hour version goes into great detail about JFK's other international policies that other documentaries rarely (if ever) explore. That alone should make it of interest to anyone who is into history and geopolitics, not just the JFKA in particular.

Exactly. According to Mark Lane, the negative gunpowder residue tests done on his skin would have been court admissible evidence that Oswald had not fired a rifle that day. But some people repeatedly reject this and other exculpatory evidence in favor of their own set theories.

Congratulations on the continued success, that's excellent news. The more people see it, the better. It's a very well made documentary worthy of the attention.

The fact that Oswald was seen on the second floor five minutes before the assassination and then seen again on the second floor two minutes after the assassination not sweaty or breathing hard is what exonerates him.

@Michael Griffith is right: the back wound was shallow. The single bullet theory ends there.

And I always ask: when in history has any accused assassin denied any and all involvement only to dramatically reveal their guilt in a trial? And the concept is ridiculous. All the massive pre-trial publicity that would surely have gone on before the trial of Lee Harvey Oswald for killing Kennedy sure would have prepared everyone for the shocking news - that Oswald killed Kennedy! Let's not forget that not only was the Abraham Lincoln assassination a conspiracy, it featured an assassin that literally broke his leg in his rush to take credit for the crime.

Very nice, I sure hope the screenings go well, Max

It's so ridiculous. @Joe Bauer got it right on. Ruth is everso distressed and offended at the sight of Oswald using her typewriter without permission you can hear it in her voice years later. Of course, she wasn't so distressed at the time to actually do anything about it, but oh yes, she was greatly, greatly offended. And this letter, so very secretive that Oswald didn't write it when he was alone but wrote it while someone was walking around him, and a letter so secretive that he tried to shield the contents by blocking the view with his body as Ruth walked past. So what does Oswald do with this super duper top secret letter? He leaves it out when he's not in the house for anyone to read (and copy.) At this point I want to ask the Ruth Paine defenders: how dumb do you think we are?

It seems clear that someone believed Oswald had to be silenced, so it appears reasonable to infer that he had some information that couldn't get out or that he could incriminate others. According to the official record of his alleged movements after the assassination, he was headed in the direction of Jack Ruby's apartment when he allegedly crossed paths with Tippit. Coincidence?

I have two questions. 1. If it was such common knowledge that JFK was bugged by the sight of an umbrella that even a random Dallas office worker knew it, why wasn't this type of umbrella protest more common during JFK's other public appearances? 2. Wasn't Chamberlain's umbrella usually closed and the iconic images of him show him using a closed umbrella as sort of a walking stick or cane?

The ol' "far right homicidal jewelry making nudist" trick. Works every time.

As I see it, it wasn't about winning, it was about feeding the MIC. Winning isn't really the goal, is it? How long did the Afghanistan war go on? Maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, @Anthony Thorne makes a compelling argument, imho.

This is fascinating. You sure know your stuff, Gene.

In my view, if one believes (as I do) that Oswald was the designated patsy in an organized and sophisticated conspiracy, it seems to me only logical to examine the circumstances that put him on the motorcade route. The conspirators needed to place him in that building. Either they waited until they got lucky and he just happened to get a job there, or they engineered it to happen. I don't think they waited for it to happen and I don't think he was selected to be the patsy after he began work at the TSBD, which just happened to be a month and a week before the assassination. It's well known that Oswald's history had so-called "fingerprints of intelligence" all over it. So how did LHO get to the TSBD? Ruth Paine cold-called Roy Truly. I know many people here are working overtime to pin all of this on Linnie Mae Randle, but the plain fact of the matter is that when you look at the evidence it is clear that the last name of the person who was the most instrumental in getting LHO a job at the TSBD was not Randle or Oswald; it was Paine. - Mr. BELIN. Mr. Truly, when did you first hear of the name of Lee Harvey Oswald? Mr. TRULY. I heard the name on or about October 15th. Mr. BELIN. Of what year? Mr. TRULY. Of 1963. Mr. BELIN. And from whom did you hear the name? Could you just relate to the Commission the circumstances, if you would, please? Mr. TRULY. I received a phone call from a lady in Irving who said her name was Mrs. Paine. Mr. BELIN. All right. What did Mrs. Paine say, and what did you say? Mr. TRULY. She said, "Mr. Truly,"---words to this effect---you understand---" Mr. Truly, you don't know who I am but I have a neighbor whose brother works for you. I don't know what his name is. But he tells his sister that you are very busy. And I am just wondering if you can use another man," or words to that effect. And I told Mrs.---she said, "I have a fine young man living here with his wife and baby, and his wife is expecting a baby--another baby, in a few days, and he needs work desperately." Now, this is not absolutely--this is as near as I can remember the conversation over the telephone. And I told Mrs. Paine that--to send him down, and I would talk to him--that I didn't have anything in mind for him of a permanent nature, but if he was suited, we could possibly use him for a brief time. Mr. BELIN. Was there anything else from that conversation that you remember at all, or not? Mr. TRULY. No. I believe that was the first and the last time that I talked to Mrs. Paine. In fact, I could not remember her name afterwards until I saw her name in print, and then it popped into my mind that this was the lady who called me. Mr. BELIN. All right. Anything else on--what was this--October 15th--about Lee Harvey Oswald? Mr. TRULY. Yes, sir; I am sure it was on October 15th. Mr. BELIN. Anything else you can remember about Lee Harvey Oswald on that day? Mr. TRULY. She told me she would tell him to come down and see me. - https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/truly1.htm J. Walton Moore was a CIA officer in Dallas, who knew George de Mohrenschildt. Moore asked de Mohrenschildt to make friends with Oswald. de Mohrenschildt, an aristocratic globe trotting oil baron who reportedly had connections with German and French intelligence as well as American, convinced LHO to move to Dallas and introduced Oswald to Ruth Paine. Paine, as has been pointed out repeatedly, not only had a husband and brother in law that held high-level security clearances at their places of employment, Ruth had a sister that worked for the CIA. Paine gives Oswald's family a place to live, gives Oswald a place to store his (alleged) murder weapon, and gets him a job at the TSBD, placing Oswald on the motorcade route. At what time is it reasonable to think that all of this did not happen by chance?

I don't know. Did the elevators open up directly to the outside? To my knowledge they didn't, but I could be wrong on that. If the elevators didn't open up directly to the outside, then it appears there was still some building escaping to be done regardless of whether or not they rappelled down the elevator shaft. Perhaps they hid somewhere and waited it out for an hour or two. Once it was quickly settled on Oswald as the sole suspect, I doubt there was much interest in keeping the building locked down or searching for any more suspects. All I'm saying is that if the elevators were, as Givens seemed to indicate, the type of design where the passengers of a moving elevator car were visible to occupants standing outside the elevator and vice versa, it seems to stand to reason that the empty elevator shaft would also be visible. A descent down the shaft is still possible, it just seems to me that it wouldn't be very covert.

From what I understand reading a statement by Charles Givens, people traveling in the elevator were visible to the people on the building floors and vice versa. I do not know if this was true of both elevators, but if so it would seem that it would be impossible for anyone to covertly rappel down the shaft.

I'm a quarter of the way through this book and honestly quite ready to give up. My apologies to any fans of the book or those hoping for a better review. I'm sure those who have enjoyed Dr. Mantik's work in the past may find it useful to have all these pieces collected together in one place, but in my opinion there's far too much repetition. Funny enough, one of the book reviews here takes another writer to task for excessive repetition. I'm the equivalent of 125 pages or so into a 500+ page book, and once I'm reading the same thing and even seeing the same illustration for a third time, I'm just not much inclined to continue. There's no real organization to the material, as if it hadn't been edited or updated at all before publishing. I feel like I'm reading a collection that was just tossed together for historical purposes, and there wasn't ever a clear concept of how to present all the information within to a reader as a single read. Just my two cents.

I can't seem to find the recent thread where there was a discussion about the elevator shaft being used as an escape route. It seems in one of Charles Givens' statements, Givens' says he was descending in an elevator and saw Oswald on the fifth floor. I guess I had never pictured the elevator (or both elevators?) in the TSBD to be the type where floor occupants and elevator occupants were visible to each other during descent. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10406#relPageId=335 Anyway, wouldn't this fact make using the elevator shaft as a covert escape route basically pointless?

Seriously? I enjoy a book if I feel I'm getting something useful out of it, if it's enhancing my knowledge of the subject, and if I don't feel as if the purchase was a waste of time or money. The subject itself doesn't have to be enjoyable.