Micah Mileto

Is there any strong evidence that the Kennedy family was interfering with the autopsy BEFORE the time RFK was killed? We have an autopsy authorization with RFK's signature and nothing written under the "Restrictions" field.

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The last news article I posted claimed that Kennedy was covered in "an expendable paper shroud" at Parkland and that his head was wrapped in "several plastic bags". Dr. Clark said he didn't see the throat wound before the tracheotomy was begun. Even though I have spent years cataloging evidence for a frontal shot, I am still more interested in a theory like Pat Speer with all shots coming from behind. Who knows, maybe it could've been geometrically possible for a single shooter to cause all wounds by having both high and low velocity ammunition in the chamber of an automatic weapon.

Post Mortem is available to read and search to anybody who has an account on archive.org https://archive.org/details/postmortemjfkass0000weis

Actually, I have found that Dr. Kemp Clark was apparently reading off the same prepared statement in each of the press conferences at Parkland, word-for-word. This amazing fact has probably confused researchers, who read newspaper articles on the later conferences and just assumed it was the media who had been re-using quotes from the 11/22 conference, even though the articles directly attribute the identical quotes to dates after 11/22. Unless there's something I'm not getting, that's pretty weird. I will post proof soon here.

From a 5/30/1990 letter from Harold Weisberg to Harrison Livingstone: https://ia601304.us.archive.org/3/items/nsia-LivingstoneHarrisonEdward/nsia-LivingstoneHarrisonEdward/Livingstone Harrison Edward 075.pdf There is no doubt at all that a shipping casket was delivered. There also is no doubt about why. It was shipped by the Military District of Washington, acting normally and automatically. When Lifton's fabrications appeared or I first heard of them, I'm not taking the time to check but you are welcome to, I filed a simple FOIA request of the MDW. I asked only for copies of what it had provided Lifton. I have them as I got them and you are welcome to read or copy them. What is Weisberg talking about here? Is there something that should be in his archives that I can't find?

Currently trying to map out all of the differences between the transcript of the 11/22 conference and the media quotations of it. Also trying to map out all of the news reports of Dr. Kemp Clark at the parkland press conferences that occured in the days following 11/22.

On 11/22/2021, researcher Lamar Waldron shared some information that allegedly came from John Nolan, who had been the attorney and former administrative assistant to then-Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy (Thom Hartmann Program, 11/22/2021). Nolan, who passed away on 11/18/2017, helped negotiate Cuba’s release of prisoners from the failed Bay of Pigs invasion (Washington Post, 12/27/2017, John E. Nolan Jr., lawyer who helped negotiate Bay of Pigs prisoner release, dies at 90 by Bart Barnes). Waldron reported on an alleged “contingency plan” put in place by Robert F. Kennedy, where if a U.S. government representative were to die possibly from an assassination, the autopsy would be done by the military, in case information might need to be controlled for the purposes of national security. Waldron authored the books Ultimate Sacrifice, 2005 with co-author Thom Hartmann, Legacy of Secrecy, 2008 with Hartmann, Watergate: The Hidden History, 2012, and The Hidden History of the JFK Assassination, 2013. Waldron’s statements and theories have been criticized by other researchers, mainly because many of his sources were left unnamed (Reclaiming History by Vincent Bugliosi, 2007; Kennedysandking.com, 3/28/2009, Lamar Waldron, with Thom Hartmann, Legacy of Secrecy by James DiEugenio; Kennedysandking.com, 4/25/2009, Lamar Waldron, Ultimate Sacrifice by James DiEugenio; Kennedysandking.com, 6/16/2009, Lamar Waldron, with Thom Hartmann, Legacy of Secrecy - Update by James DiEugenio; Kennedysandking.com, 11/29/2009, Lamar Waldron, with Thom Hartmann, Legacy of Secrecy by William Davy). On 11/22/2021, Waldron appeared on a podcast hosted by his co-author Thom Hartmann, where he claimed that one of his major sources was John Nolan (Thom Hartmann Program, 11/22/2021). Besides this information given by Waldron, there is no other publicly-known evidence that Nolan said these things. This same basic information, without the name of John Nolan being mentioned, had been explained in Waldron and Hartmann’s 2008 book Legacy of Secrecy: [...Chapter Fourteen] However, Bobby also had someone—an individual whom we spoke with in 1992—assisting him in dealing with Burkley and the autopsy room. The presence of this very sensitive, confidential source at the autopsy has been confirmed by an official account, and his credibility is not only clear based on the public record, but has been vouched for by numerous associates of John and Robert Kennedy. These include Secretary of State Dean Rusk, Harry Williams, and Bobby’s trusted FBI liaison Courtney Evans. It’s significant that our source who assisted Bobby at the autopsy was fully knowledgeable not only about the JFK-Almeida coup plan, but also about the Cuba Contingency Plans designed to protect it. The bottom line is that whatever went on at the autopsy most likely happened with the full knowledge, and probably at the ultimate direction, of Bobby Kennedy. […] […] In addition to the unusual timing discrepancies, there were also easy-to-document differences between how JFK’s body looked at Parkland and how it looked (and was photographed) at the start of his autopsy in Bethesda. The most obvious example is JFK’s throat wound, where the tracheotomy incision had been made. Dallas’s Dr. Perry said that his small, neat incision was only 2–3 centimeters. However, photos of JFK’s body at the start of the autopsy show a very ragged incision, spread open in the middle, that was at least two or three times larger. JFK’s official autopsy report (now known to be at least the second completed, and possibly the third) says the incision was 6.5 centimeters when the autopsy began, while the lead autopsy physician, Dr. Humes, said under oath that it was 7–8 centimeters.13 The throat incision was not enlarged during the official autopsy, because, as assisting autopsy physician Dr. Pierre Finck later testified, the doctors had been ordered not to.14 How did the small, neat incision in JFK’s neck more than double in size to a wound so ragged that the autopsy physicians didn’t even realize there had been a bullet hole there? Some experts have suggested a solution that would also account for the timing inconsistencies regarding the start of the autopsy, as well as the missing brain and other evidence. They say there could have been a brief, hurried, unofficial “national security autopsy” before the start of the official one. They point out that on the night of November 22, the official autopsy results and evidence were expected to be used in Oswald’s trial, and would have to be turned over to his defense. If Bobby Kennedy and other top officials were worried that evidence of another shooter from the front could have generated calls to invade Cuba and a conflict with the Soviets, this line of reasoning suggests they might have wanted to learn as much as possible before the “official” autopsy began. The greatly enlarged throat wound certainly appeared as if someone had hurriedly explored it to see if a bullet was still lodged inside. While the official autopsy was jammed with officers and other personnel, such a national security autopsy might have been conducted with only a few people present. This scenario could also explain other discrepancies that have been documented. […] Lamar Waldron, in his 11/22/2021 appearance on the Thom Hartmann Program, also gave information on the throat wound which he apparently attributed to Nolan (Link): Waldron: […] So, all those questions about the autopsy, as far as I'm concerned, now they've all been answered because when- so- so John Nolan, it was really- we were going to get together for lunch in Washington, he was going to leave his, you know the biggest law firm in Washington, he was a senior partner, meet me for lunch, we were going to talk, you know, and- and the only reason he was talking to me, he made it clear, was because he was still friends with Harry Williams after all those years, they were still close. He trusted Harry, and if Harry said I was okay to talk to, he would- he would give me an hour of his time. Okay, so- so- then I get to Washington, I call him, I say so ‘we need to make some lunch plans’, ‘No no, can't. No, I can't meet you for lunch, you- you just come to the office, okay?’. So I said ‘Okay, I'll come to the office’, and then he's like ‘No no no, we can't do that, somebody might see you here’. And- and again, this is- you know, this is- because we're going to be talking about a plan that's been kept secret since 1963, this is 1992. And then he's like I- I just can't see you, I'm like ‘Look I flew all the way up here, Harry said you'd be a good guy to talk to, so- so he agrees to give me a phone interview. Okay. We start talking. Every time and I'm- I'm- I'm at- I'm not the Mayflower where we usually stay but I'm at the- I think the Grand Hyatt where we would do our communication seminars. And every time I would get- Yeah, we’d talk about general stuff, and you know he was a Korean veteran, my dad was a Korean veteran. He was about the same age when he was working for Robert Kennedy that I am- I was when I was talking to him on the phone. So yeah, I was looking for those things in common, and but whenever I would get close to talking about the coup plan, oh, the worst crackling would come on the phone and we would get cut off. I mean it didn't happen once, it didn't happen twice, it didn't happen three times, it didn't happen four times, it happened at least six times. Finally the last time I- ‘cause I'm- he's- you know, somebody doesn't want us to talk about this. So I go outside, luckily there's a bellhop, I whip out a ten or twenty dollar bill, say ‘Look, get me a phone out of one of these other rooms, plug it in, in here. Just take my phone, put it in the other room, you know. So the bellhop does that, bellman I should say and- and sure enough, no more problems. There was just something funny about that phone. And so he confirms everything Harry had told us about the coup plan, he confirms that E. Howard Hunt and James McCord were the top two CIA agents assigned to help Harry, not to give Harry orders but to help Harry. Which, by the way, E. Howard Hunt, who was a big racist, super resented. And- and then Bernard Barker was was E. Howard Hunt's assistant for the coup plan. And so he's confirming all this stuff, and- and- and then we start talking about the autopsy, and- and he says, you know, ‘Well, Bobby had me meet him in Washington, and then Bobby was up in the seventeenth fam- seventeenth floor family suite at Bethesda Naval Hospital. I was down in and just outside the autopsy room on a phone, and I was relaying Bobby Kennedy's orders to the White House physician Admiral Burkley, who was in the autopsy room the whole time, and then Admiral Burkley was giving orders to the autopsy physicians, sometimes through the commanding officer of Bethesda Naval Hospital. So sometimes it would go, you know, it would literally- Bobby is seventeenth floor with Jackie, he's on the phone with Nolan, Nolan's relaying what Bobby wants to Admiral Burkley the white house physician, Admiral Burkley is then either relaying those orders directly in some cases to the autopsy physicians or to the commanding officer- Hartmann: Now- now- Waldron: -to Bethesda, Hartmann: If I- Waldron: -who is then relaying Bobby's wishes to the autopsy physicians Hartmann: If I could just- Waldron: -pretty much said ‘Yeah, Bobby Kennedy controlled the autopsy’. Hartmann: Right, and in fact, if I can just insert real quickly here, at that point in time, Bobby Kennedy believed he knew who had killed his brother. Waldron: Oh right, right. And he was assuming- Hartmann: And he thought he- and he thought he had some role in it. Waldron: Well, Bobby Kennedy thought that yes, somebody somehow connected with the coup plan had turned part of the coup plan against JFK. Hartmann: Right. And this had to be covered up no matter what, ‘cause this was still a live plan. Waldron: And get this, Bobby Kennedy was part of the cover-up. As John Nolan confirmed, in a document you guys at the Kennedy Library in Massachusetts confirmed, and then I got twenty more pages, since September of 1963, a secret subcommittee of the national security council overseen by- on the orders of Bobby Kennedy, was making plans for what to do if an American official was assassinated and it seemed in any any way somehow related to Cuba. Because they were worried what if Castro found out about the coup plan and tried to retaliate, so since mid-September, this secret subcommittee has representatives from- from the State Department, from the CIA, from- from the department of the Army in the form of Alexander Haig and Joseph Califano, they were making these plans. So- Hartmann: Right. In fact, again if i could interrupt, just to clarify, this- this is after the after the Cuban missile crisis, and their fear was that if Castro found out that Kennedy was going to try to assassinate him on December first 1963, number one he could thwart it, but number two, if it happened or if it got publicized, it could cause Russia to intervene again and it could lead to World War Three, it could lead to the extinction of the entire world, or a large chunk of it. Waldron: Exactly. ‘Cause we had almost had World War Three the year before, and they worried about things like ‘well maybe the U.S., I mean maybe Cuba might blow up an airliner. But like i said, their biggest- one of their biggest worries was that ‘what if an American official got assassinated before the coup plan and there looked like there was some Cuban connection’, so Nolan, so so we've only got about 21, I believe it's 21 pages of what are probably close to a thousand pages of official U.S. government plans for what to do with American officials- we've got 21 pages, the rest of those are supposed to be released December 15th, of course they won't be. But John Nolan saw every one of those pages. He saw every one of them, so he's telling me, he said ‘look, that's why JFK’s body didn't have the autopsy done in Dallas’, and he- he gave me this example, and by the way you won't find Nolan's name in any of our books, he is referred to as a ‘Kennedy aide’. So he's not named, you know, because this is one of the first detailed times we're ever talking about this, his name is not in print. Hartmann: He just passed away. Waldron: Well, he- he passed away actually passed away, actually he passed away almost two years ago. Hartmann: Oh, I'm sorry. I thought- Waldron: But- but then- You know, then we had COVID, I didn't want to rush right out and do it, and I mentioned him on your show exactly one other time with no real detail. So- so what Nolan gave me this incredible example, he said ‘Look, what if- what if- what if a week before the coup plan, it looked like the U.S. ambassador to Panama had been shot on a street in Panama city in Panama, you know, was that Castro trying to send us a message? What would we need to do? Well, you sure wouldn't want the U.S. ambassador's autopsy done in a Panamanian hospital, you would want to take it to a secure military facility. You would want to, you know, you'd have where the autopsy would be done not by profit doctors but by military doctors subject to military commitment. Hartmann: Once again, Lamar, the reason why they were doing this was they were afraid that if the American public found out that a- a U.S. official had been assassinated by- by Castro, that would create so much pressure on the Kennedy administration to attack Cuba in retaliation, much like we attacked Afghanistan after 9/11. Waldron: Exactly. That- that that- that attack on Cuba would be inevitable and that would provoke World War Three and that had to be stopped at all- at all- Waldron: Exactly right, Tom. That's exactly right. So- so you know, you know, ‘cause- ‘cause Nolan said ‘Look, what if we attack Cuba then it turns out it was just a common mugging or- or the ambassador had been shot by a jealous lover’. So he said ‘We have to control the autopsy, we have to control all of the medical evidence, we have to control the release of any information about that autopsy. And there were other things too, I mean just in general, anything about that murder had to be filtered and carefully weighed in terms of national security. So I'll tell you again, one more thing about Nolan then we're going to move into somebody else secret that we've never named before. […] Waldron: […] and all of this stuff, um- I- I- I should have mentioned this. So this is this is good for just some of your listeners, okay. Um- and so, um- when I flew up to Washington, you know, still expecting to, you know, probably meet John Nolan for lunch, and if not that, you know, go to his office at his huge law firm, the most powerful law firm in Washington, which means one of the most powerful law firms in all of America. Um- I- I- I had a piece of luggage, I- I've been getting ready to like buy some really nice luggage, and you told me not to, do you remember why you told me not to buy a nice luggage? Hartmann: I don't. Waldron: So you were traveling all over the world helping your- uh- with the children's homes that you worked with. Hartmann: Yeah. Waldron: Salem. And- and you said look, you know, most airports are fine, but some aren't, and- and the fancier and more expensive looking your luggage is- because I was going to get, you know, some designer luggage at Marshall's like on a huge markdown that they had, and he said, you know, if somebody's looking- because in those days, they didn't even match the tags, you were at baggage claim, you could pick up a bag and literally walk out. This is before 9/11, right? Hartmann: Um-hum. Waldron: And- and you told me, you said ‘look, the- the fancier your bag looks, the more likely it is to get stolen’. Hartmann: Yeah. Waldron: I'm like, ‘okay, that's good’, so I had the most old, beat up, big suitcase you can imagine, I had lots of books and documents and notes in it. In fact, it was so old and beat up that the two clasps that held it, one was like a combination clasp that still worked, the other one, there was no way to open that clasp with the combination at all, but if you hit that clasp at a certain spot it would spring open. So, I- first, there's like a big delay in the flight getting off. Then, get to Washington, you know, still plenty of time for Nolan, and- um- uh- we all get to wait on our bags on that flight. We wait an hour almost for our bags. Now, you traveled more than I, an hour's a long time to wait for your bags, right? Hartmann: Um-hum. Yeah. Waldron: Yeah, then the bags start coming down the conveyor belt, they have all been opened and closed and searched. I mean, there's like underwear and lingerie and nightgowns hanging out of the bags, some are half closed, some are, you know, fully closed, but you can just see, you know, there's clothes hanging out the sides. Somebody had literally searched every bag on that flight, including mine except for the fact they couldn't open that bad clasp, okay? So- so my bag was literally the only- the bag they really wanted to search was the only bag that couldn't get searched. Hartmann: Well, you're assuming [laughs]. Waldron: Yeah, well, get- get this next story that it's just- just for the people- Hartmann: Thirty seconds. Waldron: -right now. So, so I go and check into the Grand Hyatt. I go to the private archive, the Assassination Archives and Research Center, I highly recommend, which is an online thing now, but in those days, it was old building near Ford Theater, had the old wire cage elevator. I go there and- and- and I decide I'm gonna, you know, save money, get some exercise. I'm gonna, you know, it's- it's not that cold, I'm gonna- I'm gonna walk back to the hotel. You know, do a little sightseeing on the way. I don't know Washington. The- the Assassination Archives and Research Center is not in the safest part of Washington, it's not a bad part. I take a wrong turn and I get lost, and I'm wondering around an increasingly run-down crime- uh- ridden parts of Washington. I don't- don't know where to go, someone starts following me. I get really worried I'm going to get mugged, I turn into an alley. At the opening of the alley as a well-dressed man in a trench coat in a business suit, middle age, he says ‘the Grand Hyatt, go two blocks this way and then take a right and go another block’ Hartmann: [laughs] Amazing. [...] Hartmann: […] Um, it's- So, lamar pick up the story. Waldron: So- so- so two more crucial things about Nolan. So, one of the big controversies about the autopsy is that in Dallas, the Dallas doctors- when a bullet wound is made in the body, it generally- you have a small entrance wound, and the bullet expands inside the body, and- and you have a large exit wound. So in Dallas, the doctors saw what- what you know, at least one of them said was- was a small entrance wound. It basically- just below his Adam's apple in the hollow of his throat, okay. And JFK was having trouble breathing because half of his brain had been blown out, so they did a small two to three centimeter tracheotomy incision over that- that small bullet hole. So you can still tell it was a bullet hole, but there was a small tracheostomy incision to try desperate- to try to aid JFK's breathing. When the body- when the official autopsy started at Bethesda and there- there's a photograph of JFK's body, that two to three centimeter little neat tracheotomy incision over the small bullet hole had been at least doubled in size, almost tripled in size, and now instead of being a neat little incision that a doctor had carefully done, it's this huge jagged wound, almost as if, as many people pointed out, someone had gone into that wound and enlarged it looking for the bullet that made that wound, okay. So, but- but the Dallas autopsy doctors, that wound was so big- I'm sorry, the Bethesda autopsy doctors ‘cause there were no Dallas autopsy doctors, the three main Bethesda autopsy doctors, they didn't even know there was a bullet wound there, there was just this big gaping wound they assumed was a- a crude quickly done tracheotomy thing that was- that was, you know, two or three times the size it was in Dallas, and so what was that all about? Yeah, when was that made? ‘cause they didn't make it at the autopsy, it was that way when the autopsy- the official autopsy started. So I asked John Nolan, I said ‘Look, some investigators and writers have- have theorized that there was a very brief and rushed national security autopsy before the main autopsy’, the official autopsy which, at that time, Oswald was still alive, so you know, the official autopsy would probably wind up being used at Oswald's trial. You know, that's- that's an official legal thing. But- but so I- I just asked John Nolan ‘Was there- was there like a little brief unofficial national security autopsy before the main autopsy got- doctors got there, and before, you know, the official autopsy began’, and- and- and John Nolan, being one of America's top lawyers, said- he didn't say ‘Well, what's the national security autopsy?’, he didn't say ‘No, there was no national security autopsy’, he said ‘Well, you know, there were just so many national security considerations that- that's- that's- that's- that's why things had to be done a certain way’. And he said ‘It was part of all those plans we had been making, you know, in case an American official was assassinated’. So I think to me, yeah he- he didn't deny it, and- Hartmann: And- and- Waldron: -he talked about the national- so yeah, there was a brief national security autopsy […] [...] Hartmann: […] Lamar Waldron, the- the guy that the Chicago tribune called one of the- one of the best investigative journalists in the United States. He's the author of numerous books, he and I together wrote Ultimate Sacrifice and Legacy of Secrecy about the Kennedy Assassination, Legacy of Secrecy also goes into the Bobby Kennedy and- and Martin Luther King assassinations, and his most recent book on this, which he did himself, which is like the most updated version of all this is titled Watergate: The Hidden History- excuse me, The- The Hidden History of the JFK Assassination, he also wrote Watergate: The Hidden History which is a brilliant book, maybe you're noticing a theme here. So- so just to recap very quickly, we have a coup plot against Castro that was hatched in 1963 after the Bay Of Pigs, after the Cuban missile crisis. This is with Juan Almeida, the commander of the Cuban army, who has said he will assist in taking out Castro, and he will help take over the country if the U.S. will provide him with support. He cuts this deal with Bobby Kennedy himself through the intermediary of Harry Williams, who Lamar and I interviewed extensively on- on a couple of occasions, on multiple occasions actually. The- the coup plot is- is ongoing. They were going to have a Soviet-associated patsy take the credit for the assassination of Castro in Cuba on December 1st 1963, and then I don't know, I'm- I’m sure I'm missing- Oh, and then we talked to Dean Rusk and he confirmed that this was- was going on, he was Kennedy’s Secretary of State. We talked to Harry Williams, he confirmed it. Lamar was talking about talking with John Nolan who was Bobby Kennedy's closest aide, best friend or one of his best friends, and he confirmed that there was actually essential or- or sort of confirmed that there was essentially a cover-up. Lamar, my recollection is that I found a document in the Kennedy Library after I met with Dave Powers, you know, who was in the car behind Kennedy, he was Kennedy's right-hand man. Waldron: Right that- that- that was- that was the first page- Hartmann: And it had Al Haig’s name on it. Waldron: -the Cuba contingency plan. So those are those plans Bobby had the secret subcommittee the national surety council start making in September. Later on, I got like 20 more pages from an army- Hartmann: Right, and so this plan was in place in case Castro got wind of this new attempt to assassinate him on December 1st 1963 if he heard about it in advance and- and decided to take revenge on the United States, by killing our ambassador to Panama was the example John Nolan gave you- Waldron: Exactly. Hartmann: -then we would- we would cover that up by getting that ambassador's body to Washington DC and essentially mutilating it in an autopsy if necessary- Waldron: Well- Hartmann: -and controlling all the information. Waldron: Exactly. Because the goal would be, as Nolan explained, and- and then the documents indicate but Nolan just, you know, was bluntly explained, he said ‘Look, you know, the point is you- you had to control the flow of information to keep the- the U.S. president from being forced into an invasion of Cuba’. Hartmann: Correct. Waldron: You know, and until you- Hartmann: By the American public. Waldron: -this, you know. Hartmann: Right. Right, if the word got out the Castro just killed the American ambassador to Panama, the- the pressure for another invasion of Cuba would be so great, and John Kennedy and Bobby Kennedy were both concerned that, number one, that would get in the way of their- their December 1st ‘63 effort to kill Castro, and number two, it could provoke World War Three, Russia would intervene. Waldron: Exactly. So we've got so close, so close to that- Hartmann: Right. So they- so they change the entrance wound in the front of Kennedy’s throat to an exit wound to make it look like he was shot from behind- Waldron: Well, well, they didn’t- they didn’t actually, I mean, they were ba- I mean, from- from everything I have read since, couple to what Nolan said, someone was literally- and, you know, they may have only had 15 or 20 minutes, people should know that the honor guard that's supposed to escort JFK's- the hearse with JFK's body from Air Force One to- to Bethesda lost it, so there- there are, you know, 30, 45 minutes like totally unaccounted for, there are all these different times as to when the autopsy supposedly started, so it looks like- so- so they weren't mutilating it just to hi- I mean, somebody had a very limited amount of time, and so I- I think they were literally- you know, so it was a little entrance wound, little tracheotomy incision, they wanted to see where that bullet went. Hartmann: Yeah. Waldron: You know. So- so that's what, you know, so that- that was- so the fact that it was horribly mutilated and large was kind of a byproduct, and so the autopsy doctors announced they didn't even know there was a wound in the front of the throat, you know they didn't find that out until Sunday. […]

Some exclusive quotes from Dr. William Kemp Clark appear in the rarely cited 11/31/1963 Philadelphia Bulletin article Assassination Day–Step by Step by Adrian I. Lee and Hugh E. Flaherty. The article, while describing the wound in Kennedy’s throat as an entry, still acknowledged the information indicating that the shots came from behind him. Vernon B. O’Neal of O’Neal Funeral Home was quoted as saying that Kennedy’s body had been clad in “an expendable paper shroud”, and the article continued on to read “...the agents ordered Oneal to place the President’s body in the bronze, brown velvet-lined casket. This, Oneal and his two attendants did, lining the casket first with a rubber sheet and further shrouding the President’s head in several plastic bags–all against the possibility of further bleeding”. This article is very long and contains many interesting details, details which better specialists in the case might be able to spot: http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/A%20Disk/Autopsy%20JFK%20Thorton%20Boswell/Item%2008.pdf , https://archive.org/details/nsia-AutopsyJFKBoswellJThorton/nsia-AutopsyJFKBoswellJThorton/Autopsy%20JFK%20JTB%2001/mode/2up , https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mkSXbnAaK7tjIJox_mO-nSfCSrMz-AMn/view 4 Bullets in Rifle [...] The immediate question occurring the rifleman was, of course, whether to fire during the approach of the President’s big, blue limousine, wait until it went into the long, slow turn at the corner or wait until the automobile was departing down the other street. Firing on the approach to the big, pink brick building presented an instant danger. It would be immediately apparent that a bullet full in the President’s face could only come from straight ahead. And straight ahead there was no place to look but at the school book depository. Police surmise that Secret Service agents would have located him quickly and shot him out of the window. On the turn then, as the big limousine with its presidential seals glistening inside the black doors, wheeled from Houston into the other highway. Moving Target The gunman almost would have had to lean out the window–so steep was the angle of fire. Also, the automobile at the moment would have been moving across his line of sight, which meant that he would have had to keep his rifle barrel moving across his line of sight, which meant that he would have had to keep his rifle barrel moving in a slow arc to keep the cross hairs on target. It was to be within this angle of fire–encompassed by these two streets–that the shots were to be delivered going. And they were to be delivered going away. This provided maximum safety for the gunman since a following shot would be–as indeed it was–hard to trace immediately. Also, it would be easier to keep on target since the limousine would be leaving in a fairly straight line, necessitating smaller corrections of aim. […] At 12.31, the presidential limousine had almost reached a highway directional sign–“Fort Worth Turnpike–Keep Right”–in white and green. Standing just across the highway from this sign was Charles F. Brehm, 38, with is five-year-old son, Joseph. Brehm, a carpet salesman, was a World War II rifle an in the 5th Ranger Battalion. He was wounded at Brest in the invasion of France. He has seen other men hit, too. First Shot Heard As the President passed him about 20 feet away, Brehm said, he heard the first shot. It was 12:32 PM. “He (the President) stiffened,” said Brehm. “He had been sitting forward on the seat–not sitting deep back. “He seemed to straighten out–as if digging his heels into the floor of the car.” The President's hand came up slowly to his neck, said Brehm. “He gave a cringe of pain,” he said. This was not the bullet which caused the massive head wound, said Brehm. “I saw what the next bullet to hit him did to his head,” he said. So this first bullet was the one which entered the President's body at the neckline, and, perhaps splintering, left a wound in his neck just below his Adam's apple near the knot of his necktie, and coursed down into his chest. Both Brehm and Truly, who was standing in front of the depository, thought that at this moment the limousine swerved–or “jerked” as Brehm put it–to the left as if about to speed away. Car Slows Then, however, Brehm said, it seemed to lose momentum–“almost as if the driver had taken his foot off the gas.” “Maybe I was just imagining it,” said Brehm. “Maybe I thought it was swerving because I just wanted that thing (the limousine) to leap out of there–get out fast.” And then, for a long few seconds, there seemed to be silence. There seemed to be no immediate awareness of what happened. Brehm said the President's smile was “sagging.” He had a pain-stricken look on his face,” he said. The President was still sitting straight, said Brehm. It wasn't until the President was hit again that he slumped against his wife, and she took his head in her arms. “He seemed to be conscious that something terrible had happened to him,” said Brehm. “It didn't look like it knocked him out.” Two facts of hideous portent emerge from the stories told by Brehm and others. Head Still Visible The President's head was still visible above the leather upholstered seat of the limousine to the eye on the other side of the telescopic sight. Also, the car was still moving at 15 to 18 miles an hour. The rifleman, however, shifted his aim to Texas Gov. John B. Connally. Brehm said he heard a second shot, but didn't know where it went. “I was watching the President,” he said. This shot hit Connally in the back just under the right shoulder blade. It splintered the fifth rib, coursed down through the body, and emerged from his side to break his right wrist lying in his lap and lodge in his left thigh. Brehm said he knew by the sound of the shots that they had crossed his line of vision rather than coming from over his shoulder or from the other side of the road. And still–after the second shot–the President's head was still visible above the seat; still there was no sudden burst of speed. The effect of the third bullet was murderous. It hit the back of the President's head with an ax-like or chopping effect. Another fraction of an inch–and the bullet might just have creased the President's head. Still another fraction of an inch and it might have missed him altogether. As it was, it hit at a shallow angle, ripping off a piece of skull “perhaps the diameter of a teacup,” said Dr. William Kemp Clark, a neurosurgeon. […] Fight for Life The dying President was carried into Trauma One–a gray-tiled emergency room about ten feet by 15–and laid on a rubber-tired cart. It was 1.38 P.M. Mrs. Kennedy watched from the doorway as nurses and doctors scissored away his coat, shirt and undershirt and struggled to reverse what Dr. Clark called the “irreversible process of death.” A massive blood transfusion was commenced; intravenous fluids were administered. To help sustain respiration, Dr. Malcolm Perry, surgeon, widened the hole in the President’s neck and inserted a metal breathing tube in his throat. It seemed that the bullet–perhaps a fragment–which hit the President in the neck had coursed down into his chest, striking his lung. Air from this collapsing lung was escaping into the chest cavity and rising to the hole in his neck as a red froth. A tube was inserted on either side of his chest between the ribs to draw off this air. One Bullet Lost Dr. Clark said he thought the bullet which hit the back of the President’s head and exited, leaving–if anything, only minute fragments of lead adhering to the bone. And doctors thought the other bullet was still in the President–perhaps his chest, when he was taken back to Washington. [Dallas District Attorney Henry Wade said earlier this week that a bullet removed from the President, presumably at Bethesda Naval Hospital, matched the gun abandoned by the sniper as he fled the sixth floor of the depository] Dr. Clark said “a considerable portion” of brain tissue was done when the President arrived and that “he never knew what hit him.” As the President’s pulse ebbed, then disappeared, Dr. Clark commenced heart massage, placing the heel of his palm on the President’s chest, his other hand on top of that, then pushing rhythmically 60 to 70 times a minute, “close to normal heart rate.” Pulse Stops Dr. M. T. Jenkins, anesthesiologist, said he could feel a pulse. But it stopped after “only three or four beats,” indicating that not only had the President’s heart failed but that it had nothing to pump. “Under pressure of heart message,” said Dr. Clark, “some kind of pulse is felt as long as there is blood to pump; for the pressure literally forces the blood from the heart into the arteries with a consequent pulse.” The President’s loss of blood was “massive,” he said. “Half of the more than five quarts a man the size of the President would have had been exhausted” in Trauma One alone. And continued Dr. Clark, he had bled profusely before arrival. Veins Nearly Empty The President’s veins were almost empty, he said. Since it was awkward for Dr. Clark to reach through the tangle of tubes in the President’s neck and chest, a steel stool was brought and Dr. Perry stood on it to continue the heart massage. A cardiotachioscope was brought to determine if any electrical impulses still were reaching his heart from the damaged brain. This is a tube-shaped instrument, 18 inches lone, three inches wide. Protruding from one end are three wires. Set in the other is a glass screen. A bead of yellow light traves across the glass to register impulses– or the lack of them: a wavy line for the former, a straight line for the latter. The wires were inserted in the President’s arms and one leg. The line–with its faint yellow afterglow–was straight. All communication between brain and heart had ceased. Wife Told of Death Since the brain damage had been the apparent cause of death, it was up to Dr. Clark to say so. And he said: “I guess this is it.” He went to where Mrs. Kennedy was standing in the doorway and told her the President was dead. “I’m all right.” she said. “I understand; may I go to him.” Nurses and doctors commenced plucking out the tubes and wires in his body. It was 1 P.M. […] Paper Shroud Oneal said that by the time he arrived, the President’s head had been wound around and around with gauze until his eyes, nose, mouth and chin–his whole face–were covered. He had been clad in “an expendable paper shroud,” said Oneal. […] Casket Moved Meanwhile, the agents ordered Oneal to place the President’s body in the bronze, brown velvet-lined casket. This, Oneal and his two attendants did, lining the casket first with a rubber sheet and further shrouding the President’s head in several plastic bags–all against the possibility of further bleeding.

New York Times, 11/24/1963, Late City Edition, Doctors Uncertain Of Number Of Shots, datelined 11/23/1963 [link] [link 2]: The neurosurgeon who pronounced President Kennedy dead said today that physicians did not know whether he was shot once or twice. Dr. Kemp Clark, 38-year-old chief of neurosurgery at Parkland Hospital, said that the President definitely died of a “gunshot wound in the brain.” He said that there were to wounds, a traumatic wound in the back of the head and a small entrance wound below the Adam’s apple. He said that no bullet was found. The head wound could have been caused by an emerging bullet, Dr. Clark said, or it could have been a tangential wound. He said that the wound was “large, with a considerable loss of tissue.” Dr. Clark said that he had pronounced pronounced Mr. Kennedy dead at 1 P.M. central standard time yesterday.

Bingo. The quotes are totally real.

The article I'm looking for is called "Doctors uncertain of Number of Shots". You can see part of the headline on the lower right of this image: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/e64AAOSwCp5i4Y8A/s-l1600.jpg

The uniqueness of the quote is why I'm looking for it. Dr. Clark spoke about Kennedy's wounds at multiple press conferences at Parkland in the days after 11/22/1963, and there are no transcripts available for those appearences, so any unique quotes from news sources could help reconstruct what was said during those conferences.

Searching newspapers.com, I can't find any other newspaper from 11/23/1963 - 11/25/1963 that used the exact phrasing "large with a considerable loss of tissue" attributed to Kemp Clark - I can only find the quote/paraphrase "a large gaping wound with considerable loss of tissue". Maybe it was a paraphrase, or maybe it's somehow a fabricated quote.

For the life of me, I can't find any photographs of page 2 of either 11/24/1963 edition of the New York Times where it shows those quotes - “Dr. Kemp Clark . . . chief of neurology at Parkland Hospital . . . said that there were two wounds, a traumatic wound in the back of the head and a small entrance wound below the Adam’s apple. . . . The head wound could have been caused by an emerging bullet, Dr. Clark said, or it could have been a tangential wound. He said that the wound was ‘large with a considerable loss of tissue.’” https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/DCUAAOSwMYth--8z/s-l1600.jpg https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/e64AAOSwCp5i4Y8A/s-l1600.jpg https://i.imgur.com/8cNzBKf.png https://i.imgur.com/sj5h1xw.png

Searching through ebay, I can only find 2 editions of the New York Times on 11/24/1963. The regular edition, and the Late City edition. Late City Edition photos: https://www.ebay.com/itm/274326083000?hash=item3fdf1bd5b8:g:Q3wAAOSwWc1ehnF4&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAABADYpoWE0V16SKnvrVcmNTm92VOpX%2F9D4SLeAAtEJSuj2pDEg06juMOQ8%2B1uhsIW%2BaeXiqzgSHWPj0HrtJfsEdxj9BiPz61boSvlWjEoQ4vF5oFuoQ9OmDQMfmS0%2FZ%2Fqot%2BM3F2X83SxZBVdBJejdzUxkqtmjZi0LMiFVkk5B2x%2BXfoThwL0e89olSMvrQg7%2F2jEtKRogOgRVqUGedicY7F3Pf6PlwoMzJCvKHduUrCHInOA21xePbJDNDb5bUq4HmpmosniW4FPSuuDYV7fDAAqyqsNBlZXIbJ7YsTmGUC81MqLZdbziQQoD5taJeZnr8fYV6SvWuiHfZDD9Oen81wY%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR7C98Oq6Yg https://www.ebay.com/itm/153665586635?hash=item23c72ec5cb:g:WA4AAOSwrD9dkjwD&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4IMHMXAV%2BxcGB2%2BXfc0y2oOhAOOZ5hWC2SqregWN5GZxjbisMhqb6bm9jmIPstm3Fghb0UiigJqag%2BP0MuxrvxGywkFYoHdFUVNQdiI3Z28poRNaB2RjuakvKop1jjhe%2B%2BSgD6Wh6GQRk2%2BbqdzqYq%2BP2puW7QlV9kWcm%2BytKCeDDyVS6UJ2arSwYSm1yKcQCNvBaPwkPPWYHx%2BX%2BFPnp%2FhEgUMutkDcc%2FNfye2uWp6%2BHPIKUjGq1UgTlCHFmGmqqRRSlmHzRSNLiFFUx%2FUQT7MEVVSQkQWHfOPetIpdRYhT|tkp%3ABk9SR7K98Oq6Yg https://www.ebay.com/itm/363552277187?hash=item54a56782c3:g:K9YAAOSwutFZgL9Z&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAABAGpNF5bVLel9Ll5IDxi9rD2HfbV7MjfYcFNo0%2B4iBZVDirBp4U%2B0gAIUYmhAEw3J43%2Fdpp50FczXARO50pO%2FZpsWR4gyWVD9boEYV4VNklYR%2Bz%2BucnUK7MYcj0l6t3HtmSkqI9WfqJSix9dUrSqfQSylhtnAotFBqkMRZ7e8gPWAoe3lb%2FOLk3Q6Vi%2F4%2FLji%2Fa06r1faBaTN6NZf87jDETg8OC%2F1HE17Zx2E0jazeYs32FRU5h6%2B%2F2KQKgvWi2ULuuBqTOysZ1z0UN9kicWOL9GBw%2BmWnnpQdhjpRsyXULXZRQE8fsG5tltx9DLFepgnFajP%2BKUZxokqBU%2FCp5tfFJ8%3D|tkp%3ABFBMsr3w6rpi https://www.ebay.com/itm/204296856965?hash=item2f910aa585:g:tAcAAOSwxtFkLsiw&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA0G2UAjiH1Sz8YLTIXN5XlNmRLoB3dmdZtchJYT6SbgaPccmfhZIAgomP9dZbj0RyOeiQZ5vrdEl%2Bfa7o%2F%2Fl2MKH6aZ4KTWCnh4ZN%2Byrl7sIBb5xidjfzUf%2FGxzdz6a4tOt%2BpFQgf8yc5Eeezr21iAbY55Jdev5Lskx%2FrfZAHCRg%2B9u5gd2OzDYV41zv%2FST%2FbSecE%2F%2BCaMeHLhwUGyKqjS7OIJ4yFHljA23VtzGDI6Ka%2B3NYLVTr0D7ilqmp88PVxEgzSp6DUFWs3qxeiLPRh%2BA0%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR7iE1Oq6Yg https://www.ebay.com/itm/314028010120?hash=item491d872a88:g:lJAAAOSw-w5hACnB&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4KifI4rnczJjyR%2BgeO2QizZNeaXOdk1mSW2pgQ9poAqsq4ArUAmu1buzH5n50OBytIfUC3gQhpISSapKMbbR5VEC9gb8YIwgYKG%2BLH3kaBVKWtbGDbaEezIBHpZKEgat5yLSdNCU3g8BAgNB%2BbKNq1%2BjTheMOUcYbG%2FYryf5do9c%2Bf67UD4uxsxXOBRArp3ZnRd6Ah2Ewojwyga0dpHuR%2BYIGz1CwzZIbFKiH6uiB22eFFFFWNKwOxlIZHnOz0JPi9F8hjfpCVGzeo%2BN8rII7ytaOHGFgbdWGJ98r%2BEAnYLD|tkp%3ABk9SR7C98Oq6Yg https://www.ebay.com/itm/354479604902?hash=item5288a184a6:g:f9gAAOSw7oBjqhNH&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA8OspRQhZvytvnCwcJ7b8fdVIm94KiDYQJOhcpwXtuaHtBrESH5pjQCQoMqluH6obFB23Q9kYfTXoyTxlitH0jqqlRtEFv5c0TjFPqkFdGaqs5RIFhnlKCSOO%2BqZLiAmGAjyLHyLIhoL2ItNi8jvAxbvVhEG%2FVFHhLVqmstU3b2zdD7CaqDk%2Bj%2F3ifswCkpSpWgbeDnI2ZI1Ex1Oy4xjcnsS8nkJNYlGigbz7UnawRwgNY8CQhcjgz0GAtMI%2BKZ9IrZibeSInxsCfuPN3HNdvH3QQa%2BYnuSZ59gLwwA4%2F0ijd651zeCbAOd58VSXE70bGHg%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR7iE1Oq6Yg https://www.ebay.com/itm/145224709025?hash=item21d01133a1:g:mv0AAOSwNg1g22kw&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4JCrdA3rwSwx0UDzieyAV9IGnKPT1gT4JoPyacIidBXuIlS%2BQM0T%2BKhHzTqhHjbJ69xCGyOjISeaxqs4bJr7ntkNdQruQR%2BvgEvkvxalAVCd2%2B742IwPoI5mIVPxrVWchI8fREWWJ6DDvpVjXSIEXG%2BV1rCQd1X0Yq6EFOZOlhylfpBgYIDeJ6ZiqFPDWj%2FhotevigPLp4NMbVLOg8GpDPEeqtHp82kc7w8oF4QLHcJmftvU5XkDl3Y8JZQiNEeYjPs9Lt5HBgVWwvy9Y%2FRKW2HEt4vlZHk6yBVE77JD2YcP|tkp%3ABk9SR7K98Oq6Yg https://www.ebay.com/itm/144021980524?hash=item218861056c:g:xlIAAOSwOkxgiC8~&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA0DSDpJ1uN%2BLc94bcwlsqgBCJ%2F2QIpMnnnEOJlQiaN3nfnxDCc2GGvW8GzpuO%2Fla6djeW9qmjZRH3USKQJAjoMZBJQBpX1L2ChCOZX1J6h2NH7LmL5kjwHgWgyg5WooDOwuY4Z9r0Crf5c23Sb8OvApbn9iAZTCjstC%2B5v2JedJ5XAtGxpZ6KQNmwO1HfEoWsfx4CvRdOD86iW4IwGHpG8PoPlCW8geWCB9FMeIVryZCJCuIMxJeYTohhO6eHPGD%2F0bEUr5N6eUu1vIioAulOf%2Fc%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR7iE1Oq6Yg There was also a New York Times magazine published 11/24/1963, but that doesn't have what I'm looking for: https://www.ebay.com/itm/402943231437?hash=item5dd149c5cd:g:ly0AAOSwma5g0~1b&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAABAE2mbBseZundZnWXy0P2Xwdx%2FR0HDHOvg0BXZDpW1hKCYSTaVexQJENoI7zsgElngi4UC7AJKdjxDCwlElWOHc01eqO%2BV80XYREDEgGwz0vx25VxgT0HgFcpsgr6AWNV5AVS0iX9D3E6y8n4v299ol7ERTfnNCSb5ypMlEraVaW8oU0XXgVkOlKGsUlyQAtwuWiQHl6rwVe63Zp%2Bk01jqXfL4mq74kGWRJ0tTwCDmmtQ7tjBk5vB1dSomYoX%2BxtpnIGTLNg1ypq5B7GWKX0xwZzrUcG4Knrh8vX8%2BPMEKii%2FySRnKKcEbxH5GDARYwNZ6iCwz5Ggl%2B1%2BB7EN4JmddR8%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR7K98Oq6Yg

https://www.ebay.com/itm/153665586635?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110013%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIMRXI%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20201210111452%26meid%3De0be2e0e86c04d32b78819c730f2a6d7%26pid%3D101196%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D7%26sd%3D224549621259%26itm%3D153665586635%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DPromotedRVI&_trksid=p2047675.c101196.m2219&amdata=cksum%3A153665586635e0be2e0e86c04d32b78819c730f2a6d7|enc%3AAQAHAAAA4Iq9Pd1eiueKRlho1pRz6mLGIWYoVBB9hGlULBiL%2B72LZ7K56%2FDAYH1VLtOU1JIxfTkrd3CcugYiuMVKgz4COsJBDocKkhongqY0furuqr9t%2F0zLI70WErP5pkd5rRm9C%2FNYbQsGvCa0bnG5tz%2FFlRpvdT3PuqkLt8yV%2F0QqntjgZO9HvgBZ0s%2F9UT5jY4Lwk9%2FW7McefMyvSA%2FpuTVFnI4ZSOxWapY6250XWHJDHuf2agrVRFpcf1Ubxcvq4bgMKQSsOTI1NSNl4OUFoSTrq7vJwMS%2BqCAGvadQ4%2BXucA2I|ampid%3APL_CLK|clp%3A2047675 So there can be multiple editions per day of the New York Times, which you wouldn't know by going through their online archive. Anybody got any idea on how one can find a copy of page 2 of all editions of the 11/24/1963 New York Times?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iyrPb5T-5E

So, the theory goes that photographs were altered to hide the fact that the wooden fence was originally structured in a way that would provide better cover for a shooter?

https://youtu.be/GbUft5yvmrg Never heard anything about some of the stuff Vince is raising here.

It would be in character for David Ferrie to speak in a deeper voice as soon as he knew a recorder was turned on.

Did you ever speak on KennedysAndKing about this? Any known source on the "original" version of the story?