Pete Mellor

Greg, once again, many thanks for your logical and detailed synopsis in this and previous threads. I'm a little confused (some may say a lot) age related, but can you clarify your thinking regarding previous posts where you propose Oswald sold his Carcano after the Ryder scope fix repair. If I recall correctly from these vast posts the rifle was sold to Crafard at Dobbs House and via Yates' hitch hiker to the TSBD on Thurs 21st. This theory is a little far out for me, but that isn't unusual in this case. I wonder how Oswald would have transported the Carcano from Irving to Beckley without it being noticed by any witnesses in & out of the rooming house etc. (Jeez, my head isn't on straight regarding Oswald owning the rifle in the first place!) However, as previously stated, your posts are certainly food for thought.

W, There are so many witnesses from the Ambassador, in the pantry, in the bar, + Serrano, many who saw the polka-dot dress girl with Sirhan that night & who witnesses her escape after the shooting with words "We shot him" or "We got him". It is some years back that I read 'The Polka Dot File' written by late L.A. based journalist Fernando Faura. In the book he names the polka dot dress girl as one Gilda or Gildeen Oppenheimer who he links with Anna Chennault a.k.a. Anna Chan. Faura's investigation for 'Life' magazine was linking Chennault to V.P. Spiro Agnew & presidential candidate Richard Nixon as well as Texan senator John Tower...until higher forces closed down Life's investigation for reasons of 'National Security'. I cannot recall if I learned from Faura's book, or another source, that Oppenheimer was married to a CIA guy, who would never allow her to wear the said dress. Apologies for the vague memory, as John Lennon said, "As you get a little bit older you get a little bit slower." I'm sure other Forum contributors can furnish further details.

Chapman's background was weird in that as a low income worker he was able to afford a whole lot of globe trotting, prior to his expensive stalking of Lennon from Hawaii to New York, via Chicago and his New York hotel bills etc. His world travels involved Russia & China and a strange stay in Lebanon, at the time a sort of war zone in Beirut. A strange stay for a supposed Christian, when he failed to visit the Holy Land. Bresler writes in his book that CIA had a base in Beirut, as well as Peter Dale Scott suspecting some programming in Hawaii. For me, the strangest theory in Lennon's killing has been that of the Dakota doorman Jose Perdomo, who is supposed CIA Bay of Pigs Operation 40 chief.....then there is 'The Catcher in the Rye'. You plug Lennon with five dum-dum bullet shots, then just take out your Salinger novel.

Pat, I'm sure the public viewing 313 with the backward head snap were seeing horrific images that didn't add up with the Warren conclusion. It is impossible to know just what happened to the original film. As for frame 313 Brugioni's recall states:- “…I remember all of us being shocked…it was straight up [gesturing high above his own head]…in the sky…There should have been more than one frame…I thought the spray was, say, three or four feet from his head…what I saw was more than that [than frame 313 in today’s film]…it wasn’t low [as in frame 313], it was high…there was more than that in the original…It was way high off of his head…and I can’t imagine that there would only be one frame. What I saw was more than you have there [in frame 313].” He also described a white spray. I sometimes wonder if the original film had images of JFK being hit from the front PRIOR to disappearing behind the Stemmons sign, and 'jumping up' as some witnesses described. & as Benjamin conjectures or as Doug Horne thinks, 'the blob on the side of JFK's head was painted in to fit actions at Bethesda. Whatever went on, it does seem we have missing images, the Elm turn and the limo stop and the obvious conclusion being dark arts were being practiced.

Rick/Larry I agree with Larry's post, I never gave the Vinson story any credence, the idea that a four engine aircraft could land in central Dallas in the dusty Trinity riverbed and in the decades since have no witnesses to comment on such a strange event, closely following the assassination of the POTUS. Never made any sense to me. Whereas Mathew Smith's work on Redbird and January was always interesting. I was at Lancer with Mathew in 2003, although at a DPUK meet back in England years later, Mathew swore blind he was not there in 2003. I think the years were catching up on him by then, but we spoke for hours in York....loved the man & I got all his books signed.

Gil, Doug Horne's 5 volume set 'Inside the A.R.R.B.' counts among the top reads on the JFKA & Vol.IV contains his work on Zapruder's film over the assassination weekend. The testimonies of Brugioni, McMahon & Hunter along with the chain of custody of the camera original & its Dallas copies are to me the 'rosetta stone' of JFKA conspiracy. Why a sophisticated conjurers trick involving CIA/Kodak 'Hawkeyeworks in Rochester, New York and NPIC in D.C. over two nights with two independent film teams, ignorant of each other, and a copy 8mm film returning to its original out-of-camera 16mm 'double 8' film, delivered by the never identified Secret Service agent 'Bill Smith'. (Unless Mr. Palamara knows different.) I doubt Hollywood could devise such a cynical, dastardly and devious plot line, yet these actions were completed within hours of the Dallas killing. All for what? A lone nut!

You're not alone Bill. The vast majority of Joe Public have no idea of the tangled web of links in these cases. Linking the RFK case back to the JFKA....Mickey Cohen was also a friend to Jack Ruby's defence attorney Melvin Belli, as well as having links to Ruby himself.

Cheers Chris, 'The Real Manchurian Candidate' vid is full of interesting info, much of it covered in 'A Lie Too Big To Fail'. As this thread looks at MK/Ultra & CIA links to Sirhan, it is also interesting the mention of "Mafia connections left & right". Dr. Brown mentions Frank Donneroumas alias Henry Ramistella who was Sirhan's handler at Santa Anita & Corona. Ramistella, a mobster from New Jersey who had been working in California under an alias because as Henry Ramistella he had been banned from most of the racetracks in the country. In addition both Ramistella & Sirhan had links to Corona ranch owner Desi Arnaz (I Love Lucy) a mob-connected entertainer who also had links to Cuban exiles & a known associate of Mickey Cohen. A Jew, Cohen who practically lived at Santa Anita may well have become aware of the Palestinian. RFK's Ambassador security guard Cesar had ties to mobster John Alessio, another friend of Mickey Cohen. We know Cesar was only called to the Ambassador at the last minute to provide 'security' on the evening of June 5th. Cohen was also friends with Kennedy enemies Carlos Marcello and Jimmy Hoffa. Even the Ambassador Hotel itself was part owned by organised crime investors. After the assassination Sirhan's defence lawyer was Grant Cooper who coincidently was also representing mobster Johnny Roselli. Sirhan's other defence lawyer Russell Parsons was a noted mob attorney who had once been investigated by RFK back in the McClennan Rackets Committee days. This same Committee in March '59 smelled a rat in the relationship between the LAPD & Mickey Cohen. Little wonder that Sirhan's original defence team never questioned LAPD's claim that Sirhan shot RFK & never used the autopsy/ballistic/eye-witness evidence in court to challenge the charges. Like the JFKA the RFK plot has strong indications of elements of intelligence and Mafia involvements. A perfect arrangement for plausible deniability.

John, Denis has this image in a photograph on the top of page 3 of this thread. Looks like him to me.

Certainly frozen peas David. Too much sugar in tinned peas.

David, I'm viewing this from the U.K. so I'm ignorant as to U.S. procedures both now & back sixty years. Yet DPD weren't interviewing just a witness, they had charged the guy with assassinating the POTUS in a confusing and highly visible case with the world media watching developments etc. Assuming Sunday morning was a surprise event to Fritz & Co., surely the fully transcribed interview sessions from taped records would have been most important in a trial...even with a Dallas D.A. like Wade. LHO was interrogated in sessions on Friday, Saturday & Sunday morning. How many hours in all? The Fritz/Bookhout/Hosty notes could only cover an hour or two, if that. What was covered in the full time periods? As I posted, this lost info has resulted in all the guessing, surmising, theorising of the 'so called evidence'.

Over recent months I have enjoyed many of the threads that Greg has launched on this Forum, this latest one being another. Not sure how this entry can be reworded and kept brief, but we know that many witnesses in the plaza prior to the motorcade's arrival witnessed more than a single shooter as well as differences in LHO's shirt colour, there were differences in hair and skin colour i.e.:- Arnold & Barbara Rowland saw a man with a rifle in the far west window of 6th floor TSBD + elderly black man with plaid shirt in eastern most window. Carolyn Walther saw two men on the 4th or 5th floor. One man wearing white shirt with blond or light brown hair with rifle + other man with brown suit coat. Richard Carr saw man on 6th floor wearing brown/tan sport coat, heavyset with horn-rimmed glasses. John Powell + many inmates on the 6th floor of the County jail, directly opposite the TSBD, saw two men, one with rifle, both wearing brownish looking clothes. I may stand corrected but I believe none of the above were considered by the Warren Commission. I also agree with Joe's post above that Ruby's snuffing out of Oswald was a tragic security failure by the DPD. However, I consider THE major failure of the DPD over that weekend to be the failure to record all the interrogations of the accused assassin. How different would be our considerations of this case, if instead of the scribbled notes of questions and answers that only appeared decades after the event, instead we could fully listen to what was spoken. The above thought struck me just the other night when U.K. tv aired 'In the heat of the night' following the recent passing of Sidney Poitier. The movie was released in 1967, set in a small dusty cotton town of Sparta, Mississippi. A murder mystery with the killing of wealthy Philip Colbert, investigated by Police Chief Gillespie (Rod Steiger) and Virgil Tibbs (Poitier). A great movie with a great sound track by Quincy Jones! But what struck me was when the killer was finally exposed by Tibbs and the cops were getting Ralph's confession in Gillespie's office, the confession was taken with a tape recorder. Yet, the big city of Dallas, Texas, handling the murder of the president did not have access to, or could not provide such a device. Even I had a small portable reel to reel Japanese tape recorder in '67.

Chris, Just to state this Frost interview also is an opposing view to my belief of the RFK assassination. Simply based on the autopsy & ballistic evidence alone. Yes, Sandra Serrano witnessed the 'polka dot' dress girl's escape accompanied by two males, "We've shot Senator Kennedy" and yes LAPD really went to work on her to get a retraction. See 'The Polka Dot File' by Fernando Faura. Recommended.

Certainly the Secret Service encounter on Stemmons is really weird....but is there more info on Sean's original post regarding "I just know things" (see below)

Maybe Gov. Newsome watched this David Frost interview.

In his own words.

Phew! Epistemology:-the theory of knowledge, the critical study of its validity, methods and scope. So, Tracy, do you support and stand by the validity, methods and scope of the above government committees, panels, DPD & FBI etc.?

Joseph, Can't comment on D.M. Thomas as I rarely read fiction, but at least his review concludes with, 'And still the case remains open'. Actually I inherited a copy of 'Oswald's Tale' from Ian Griggs' collection, signed by Mailer, I've read worse books in this canon.

Ken, The late Ian Griggs of Dealey Plaza U.K. was the specialist on the DPD & in his latter years was working on a comprehensive manuscript covering DPD personnel that sadly was unfinished at the time of Ian's passing in 2019. Ian Griggs (spartacus-educational.com) I did connect Ian's son Steve who had this manuscript with Larry Hancock of JFK Lancer back in 2020 with a view of getting Ian's incomplete work published, but at present have heard nothing of any developments. My profile photo was taken in Dallas in 2003 walking beside Ian, a picture taken by fellow D.P.U.K. member Barry Keane.

Was listening to Lucinda last night & this seemed appropriate! I was framed and sentencedTo a life in prisonFor a crime I didn't commitWasn't nobody listenedOr rose to my defenseSomebody planted the evidenceAnd he's been lying ever sinceBut that's the way we do things in West Memphis

Jeez, after fifty odd years.....does nobody in positions of authority in this case not take into judgement the autopsy findings of Noguchi. Isn't a guilty conviction of murder one of beyond reasonable doubt?

There are so many pages of poor quality print & even more pages of wasted space in this Mexican file. Apologies to Micah, but this is certainly NOT a master MC essay. However, for what it is worth, with its wonky chronology, I have taken the meat off this bone & transcribed the Spanish to English from the 'Declaration of (REDACTED)' that covers pages 17 through to 22. Declaration of (REDACTED) (P17) This person said to be 24 years old of single Catholic age, by trade driver originally from Rama city, department of Celaya, Republic of Nicaragua and have his address in the streets of Pino of this Capital. He indicated that on August 29 of the current year he entered Mexico with $200 as an employee of Migracion de Ciudad Cuauhtemoc, Chis. I add that he repudiates communism and therefore the object of his transfer to Mexico was to try to infiltrate the groups of that affiliation, mainly Cubans, in order to later pass information to Major ROGER JEREZ ALFARO, Military Attaché of the Embassy of Nicaragua in Mexico, with whom he has been collaborating for three years and who pays him $400 per month for his expenses; that the information it collects is passed to the Military to be sent directly to Gen. GUSTAVO MONTIEL, Chief of the Intelligence Service of the Nicaraguan Army residing in Managua. (REDACTED) expressed that pretending to be a communist and through Prof. (REDACTED) known Nicaraguan communist was presented with an individual of names CARLOS JOSE, Official of the Cuban Embassy, which happened on September 3rd or 4th previous, that the pretext of the presentation was that he unearth a move to Cuba and for that he told CARLOS JOSE on the 10th or 12th of the same month that this party was a 'good communist': plus an employee of the Cuban Embassy made him fill out a questionnaire and asked him for three photographs that he has not delivered to date. (P18) I also indicate that with various pretexts I continue to frequent the Cuban Embassy trying to obtain information to transmit it to Major JEREZ ALFARO or to Gen.MONTIEL and that in a session they told him in the Embassy itself that in order for him to remain in the country through a lawyer who would later be presented to him, they were going to grant him a passport, birth certificate and a military service card as a Mexican and thus travel to Cuba. I add that on September 18th around 11:00 a.m., I was in the waiting room of the Cuban Consulate and I observed an American of (REDACTED) centime? three tall of height complexion (REDACTED) rather (REDACTED) wearing gray pants black sports jacket white shirt and a Texan lace tie wearing brown shoes, that caught his attention for the complexion (REDACTED) of the individual, his appearance of sadness and eyes (REDACTED) being these of (REDACTED) and that gave him the impression of (REDACTED) that also called his attention that the hair of that subject was (REDACTED) for the most part but had (REDACTED) calculated him of about twenty-six years of age. He said that from the waiting room you can see the entry and that he saw that in front of the Consulate stopped a rental car from which two people got off a (REDACTED) of (REDACTED) approximately of height of complexion (REDACTED) of eyes (REDACTED) like the (REDACTED) the lips (REDACTED) pale (REDACTED) wearing a brown suit and a white young man in his twenties, with appearance of existentialist hair (REDACTED) wearing a brown suit and wearing dark pants and light blue jacket as of (REDACTED) of height and complexion (REDACTED) which he realised by the red passport he was carrying in the hand that he was of Canadian nationality. (P19) That when these two individuals arrived, the American stood up from his seat and greeted them with a hug to each of them and all together they entered the Consul's en suite. That approximately fifteen minutes after the above he crossed the waiting room of the consulate to go to the room of the sanitary services and when going down two steps he saw a tall dark-skinned man with white glasses who works in the Cuban Embassy, because later he has seen him deliver to the red-haired black man a package that apparently had money that after making use of the bathroom when leaving it observed that in a corridor the black Canadian and the American of reference were talking heatedly, that the first one he saw had a very visible scar on the right ring of the chin was counting money that he then delivered to the American, reaching to hear the declarant state the figure "six thousand and five hundred dollars" that when seeing the above the declarant went back to the toilet room and noticed that the American and the Canadian used holsters for pistols like those of the gangsters: that I hear the black man say to the American "I can go with you" answering this "you are not a man" and adding "I can do it, I can kill him": that after leaving the sanitary room and when returning to the waiting room, I observe that the American and the Canadian re-entered the private office of the consul moments later as they were entertained a few moments talking with an employee of the Consulate with the appearance of a prostitute and the one he later learned is called toad (REDACTED). He indicated that later he went out to buy an ice cream and when he did this he saw the American and the Canadian leave the offices and board a black car of recent model and apparently it was a Chevrolet. (P20) I express that when I assumed that a crime was being forged, I thought to bring the facts to the attention of the Embassy of the United States in Mexico and it did not occur to him to inform the Officials of his country because he believed that they were not of interest to them so on September 20th he communicated by telephone to said Embassy, but because he did not appear personally, they did not pay attention to him, although he said that what he wanted to discuss with the official of the same "was confidential." He said he would not present himself personally to the Embassy for fear of being seen by the C-2 or Cuban spies and forgot to comment on the matter. He indicated that from the newspapers he learned of the death of the President of the United States and that when he saw the photograph of the murderer I recognized him as the American subject he had seen in the Cuban Consulate. For this reason, I call the North American Embassy again and I agree to establish contact with an Official of the same who summoned him for that same day at 5:30 p.m. in the mediation of the Hotel Maria Isabel. That indeed at the time of the appointment two individuals who identified themselves with credentials of the FBI of the United States were presented, to whom he narrated the events noted down, indicating that he did so disinterestedly by those who summoned him for the following day at 9:15 a.m. at the 'Jena' Restaurant located on Av. Morelos and Paseo de la Reforma, presenting one of the previous day that he knew is called (REDACTED) with whom he moved to the Cafeteria of the Hotel 'Francis' and later he travelled some streets with them in a car and again recounted the events observed in the Cuban Consulate. (P21) So, they gave him a $100 bill almost by force and they agreed to call him on the phone number 41-07-31, which is the one from the place where he is moving away, which they did the same day at 8:45 p.m., citing him for thirty minutes later in front of the Hemicycle to Juarez, where he went to meet (REDACTED) with whom he moved in a walkway to the corner of the Hotel Maria Isabel, where another American was waiting and together they crossed the street and arrived at an apartment in a building located in Oxford and Reforma, where he again gave his story and in a photo album identifies the person who gave money to the Negro, to the consul MIRAVAL, to (REDACTED) another employee who performs ordinance functions at the Cuban Embassy and the Cuban Consul, as well as other people who he has seen in that Diplomatic Mission who later gave him $500 and told him to change to a Hotel and tell them what this was and the name he would use for it, which he did the following day or September 27 in which he delivered to (REDACTED) a card with the requested data, but to date they had not been put back in communication with him. After having made the aforementioned statements, (REDACTED) I state verbatim the following " That spontaneously and after reconsidering, he wishes to state that the North American whom he has referred to in the body of his statement and who he says he saw on September 18 of the current year at the Cuban Consulate, had a certain resemblance in 60 sixty percent to LEE HARVEY OSWALD (assassin of the President of the United States). (p22) That after the assassination of President Kennedy, the declarant took advantage of this fact in his favour to exploit it by providing versions such as those initially indicated in order to provoke an energetic reaction from the political point of view on the part of the United States of America, against the Government of FIDEL CASTRO RUZ, and that he had no other reason than the deep hatred he feels for communism and that he regrets at this time, not having achieved its objective, in the sense of causing some reaction of the North American Government against that of FIDEL CASTRO. That the telephone call to which he also referred earlier in his statement, was not made on September 20, as I indicate, but after the death of President Kennedy, and precisely on the 25th twenty-fifth day of the current month in which I mark the number 46-94-00, which corresponds to the consumer of the North American Embassy and from where they provided him the number 181 one hundred and eighty-one as an extension to speak in the terms that he has already mentioned. "

Tony, Si senor! I agree, the word detuvieron, more likely translates as 'stopped'.

Think this sums up where this thread is headin'.

Yep, not read that anywhere before Also interesting that the report only mentions the McFarlands & the two Australian girls. No mention of the supposed other traveller with Oswald listed as John Howard Bowen, but actually Albert Osborne. I have a letter written by Osborne in April '64 to his relatives in England where he denies ever travelling with Oswald. I would also like to learn how Mexican intell could know of the Oswald's activities of bullfight & museum etc., they must have been following him to know this & could be expected to photograph the man. Why complete this report in 1982? It ends with a reproduction of the backyard photo.