Bob Ness Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 1 minute ago, James DiEugenio said: LOL A dash of Wheeler? Can I get that at Ralph's? Or do I have to go to Pavilions? (Forgot, can't go anywhere right now.) Haha! Maybe just a pinch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Robert Wheeler said: Can someone explain to Ron? My new profile pick is going to be me smacking my forehead. Then I’ll just type, “see profile pick.” You don't have to explain. Smack your head, hard. Believe the prez, keep going to his rallies, sniff the rarefied air. See ya in November, maybe? Edited March 12, 2020 by Ron Bulman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted March 12, 2020 Author Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) From Jodie Evans on FB: A warning from Italy: I am writing to you from Bergamo, Italy, at the heart of the coronavirus crisis. The news media in the US has not captured the severity of what is happening here. I am writing this post because each of you, today, not the government, not the school district, not the mayor, each individual citizen has the chance, today to take actions that will deter the Italian situation from becoming your own country’s reality. The only way to stop this virus is to limit contagion. And the only way to limit contagion is for millions of people to change their behavior today. If you are in Europe or the US you are weeks away from where we are today in Italy. I can hear you now. “It’s just a flu. It only affects old people with preconditions” There are 2 reasons why Coronavirus has brought Italy to it’s knees. First it is a flu is devastating when people get really sick they need weeks of ICU – and, second, because of how fast and effectively it spreads. There is 2 week incubation period and many who have it never show symptoms. When Prime Minister Conte announced last night that the entire country, 60 million people, would go on lock down, the line that struck me most was “there is no more time.” Because to be clear, this national lock down, is a hail mary. What he means is that if the numbers of contagion do not start to go down, the system, Italy, will collapse. Why? Today the ICUs in Lombardy are at capacity – more than capacity. They have begun to put ICU units in the hallways. If the numbers do not go down, the growth rate of contagion tells us that there will be thousands of people who in a matter of a week? two weeks? who will need care. What will happen when there are 100, or a 1000 people who need the hospital and only a few ICU places left? On Monday a doctor wrote in the paper that they have begun to have to decide who lives and who dies when the patients show up in the emergency room, like what is done in war. This will only get worse. There are a finite number of drs, nurses, medical staff and they are getting the virus. They have also been working non-stop, non-stop for days and days. What happens when the drs, nurses and medical staff are simply not able to care for the patients, when they are not there? And finally for those who say that this is just something that happens to old people, starting yesterday the hospitals are reporting that younger and younger patients – 40, 45, 18, are coming in for treatment. You have a chance to make a difference and stop the spread in your country. Push for the entire office to work at home today, cancel birthday parties, and other gatherings, stay home as much as you can. If you have a fever, any fever, stay home. Push for school closures, now. Anything you can do to stop the spread, because it is spreading in your communities – there is a two week incubation period – and if you do these things now you can buy your medical system time. And for those who say it is not possible to close the schools, and do all these other things, locking down Italy was beyond anyone’s imagination a week ago. Soon you will not have a choice, so do what you can now. This is from a friend of a friend, not me. I think she is correct on this: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/live-blog/coronavirus-updates-live-u-s-cases-top-1-000-spread-n1155241/ncrd1155806#liveBlogHeader Edited March 12, 2020 by James DiEugenio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ness Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 54 minutes ago, Robert Wheeler said: Think of me as the icing on the cake that says it all. Like this thread, everything is just filler. Hahaha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Now the Chinese blame us. Us! https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/12/conspiracy-theory-that-coronavirus-originated-in-us-gaining-traction-in-china Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ecker Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 I don't understand why there has been no comment in the MSM (at least I haven't seen it or heard it) about the clear possibility that this "Wuhan virus" leaked from a bio research lab in Wuhan, which as I recall is the only such lab in all of China. I've seen this theory expressed once on a non-MSM website. Shouldn't be considered as the first logical possibility, instead of first blaming a Wuhan seafood market? (A pretty fishy explanation.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) "It caused a mass panic": travellers in Europe rush to get back to US after Trump order" From the article:Trump's announcement has disrupted the travel plans of tens of thousands of people and hit airlines already reeling from the coronavirus outbreak, which has now been branded a pandemic and has killed more than 4,600 people worldwide. https://news.trust.org/item/20200312095943-wmvg5 Edited March 12, 2020 by Douglas Caddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ecker Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, Douglas Caddy said: "It caused a mass panic": travellers in Europe rush to get back to US after Trump order" From the article:Trump's announcement has disrupted the travel plans of tens of thousands of people and hit airlines already reeling from the coronavirus outbreak, which has now been branded a pandemic and has killed more than 4,600 people worldwide. https://news.trust.org/item/20200312095943-wmvg5 "The 30-day travel order will apply to citizens of 26 European countries but exclude Britain and Ireland as well as American citizens." That stands to reason, of course, because Trump owns financially troubled golf courses in Britain and Ireland. Gotta stay in business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Robert Wheeler said: Think of me as the icing on the cake that says it all. Like this thread, everything else is just filler. That cake under the icing is the 99% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Everything becomes much clearer after reading this important article, especially the decisions by Obama in the wake of the 2008 meltdown that led to today's gross inequality in America. http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176674/tomgram%3A_nomi_prins%2C_the_global_economy_catches_the_coronavirus/#more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted March 12, 2020 Author Share Posted March 12, 2020 Jared Kushner took all those days and weeks to set up a European travel ban, which excluded the UK? You really have to wonder about Trump. What I think someone like JFK would have done is to gather the most qualified people--physicians in the field, epidemiologists, hospital presidents etc.--and worked on a comprehensive solution, based upon things like SARS. He then would have put someone in charge who was a good executive e.g. McNamara, and attacked the virus with a frontal assault in order to restore confidence. All the while trying to find a cure. What Trump has done, I think, has created more doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Chelsea Manning, jailed in Assange prosecution, attempts suicide: https://www.salon.com/2020/03/11/chelsea-manning-hospitalized-after-attempting-suicide-in-jail-report_partner/ Time to leave some people the F alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted March 12, 2020 Author Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) Prins is pretty good. What that article says is that what happened with Obama and Biden was a huge effort to pump cheap money into the major arteries of what was left of the banking system. And what it did was, in classic trickle up manner, to make the rich even richer. I have always felt that what Obama and Biden did was a mistake and a betrayal of Democratic party ideals. What Kennedy tried to do, through James Saxon, was to open more state banks in order to loosen the flow of cash through community lending. The approach these guys took was simply made to order for the likes of Dimon. Don't go after anyone in a criminal proceeding, parcel out all kinds of cheap and free money to save the top investment houses--thus rewarding the bad guys--and not reinstating Glass Stegall. This is what convinced me that Obama's Hope and Change was a mirage. Edited March 12, 2020 by James DiEugenio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ness Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 16 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said: Prins is pretty good. What that article says is that what happened with Obama and Biden was a huge effort to pump cheap money into the major arteries of what was left of the banking system. And what it did was, in classic trickle up manner, to make the rich even richer. I have always felt that what Obama and Biden did was a mistake and a betrayal of Democratic party ideals. What Kennedy tried to do, through James Saxon, was to open more state banks in order to loosen the flow of cash through community lending. The approach these guys took was simply made to order for the likes of Dimon. Don't go after anyone in a criminal proceeding, parcel out all kinds of cheap and free money to save the top investment houses--thus rewarding the bad guys--and not reinstating Glass Stegall. This is what convinced me that Obama's Hope and Change was a mirage. I always wondered why they didn't provide banks with a federal social worker type person to work with people to rewrite and relieve their mortgages. I think they assumed the only institutions capable of handling it would be the banks who had staff in place qualified to work through the details. Of course they protected their employers instead. The big problem was that they and everyone else were so heavily covered by unregulated derivatives that were something like 20 times the value of the underlying mortgages.Nobody really knows bc it wasn't regulated. The feds could have written a check for the $800b to Fanny and Freddie, to cover their debt, only a portion of which were bad. The Republicans went after the group that was advocating for you and I with the House, Accorn, and sidelined them. Little known fact. The Bushies and the Larry Summers types pretty much made it impossible to do anything else by exposing the economy to the unregulated trading. The people who could have done something sooner, the rating companies, raked in money for favorable bogus ratings. They should all be in prisonntoday. I for one took the two biggest banks to the woodshed helping a few people out and like bragging about hahaha! It wasn't a bunch of money but you could retire on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) Bernie Madoff. He was allowed to keep doing what he did even after the feds were tipped off years earlier? Wall Street owns the Repubs ...and many Dems as well. Like Mike Bloomberg told his Goldman Sachs friends at Yankee Stadium...."you are my peeples." And when Hillary was asked why she took $675,000 from Goldman Sachs for three one hour talks at a time when they were laying off 1,700 workers all she could mutter was "Well, that was what they were willing to pay." ! Goldman Sachs Paid Hillary $675,000 For This? | Investor's ... Oct 17, 2016 - Goldman Sachs paid Hillary Clinton $675,000 for three one-hour Q&A ... "I lot of people I meet with and talk to are excited about the future." Edited March 12, 2020 by Joe Bauer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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