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In another era, they would have just shot The President.

Former White House Chief of Staff John Kelly and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson tried to subvert President Trump’s wishes and justified their actions as trying to “save the country,” former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley says.

In a her new book, “With All Due Respect,” Haley recalls a closed-door meeting with Tillerson and Kelly where they ask her to join their effort to counter Trump.

“Kelly and Tillerson confided in me that when they resisted the president, they weren’t being insubordinate, they were trying to save the country,” Haley wrote, according to CBS News, which got an advance copy of the new tome.

https://nypost.com/2019/11/10/nikki-haley-says-john-kelly-and-rex-tillerson-tried-to-recruit-her/

 

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Time to stick a fork in the Trump/GOP "Deep State Conspiracy Theory" alibi for Trump's Ukraine-gate extortion scam.  

We now have the testimony of multiple witnesses confirming that Trump withheld designated military aid from the Ukraine in an attempt to extort a Ukrainian black propaganda campaign against Joe Biden.

Meanwhile, the Gaslighter-in-Chief and his GOP Goon Squad have continued their disinformation campaign and illegal retaliatory attacks on Trump's Ukraine-gate scandal whistleblowers.

Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman was fired by Donald "Bone Spurs" today from his position as the National Security Council Advisor on European affairs.

 

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2 hours ago, Robert Wheeler said:

Nobody is asking.

Nobody is guessing.

Nobody cares.

Now where is Doug Caddy and his aliens?

Dark Journalist replayed clips last night of the episode where Doug says E. Howard Hunt told him that JFK was killed because of the Alien Presence.

Not only was the attempted "throw" so obvious that he damaged his credibility, he damaged the credibility of any number of Deep State deniers here on this forum.

Maybe even you Bob.

 

I thought I was on double-secret probation with you.

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2 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

I hate to tell you this Bob, but the same complaint about foreign money was filed with the FEC over the Obama campaign.

You don't even want to get into the Bill Clinton campaign on that one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy

Yes. And it was adjudicated wasn't it? It was also investigated by the DOJ. And Obama's campaign reached an agreement and paid an administrative fine.

Now, how is Barr doing on that investigation of his? You know, the investigation wherein the President of the Untied States held up money for the Ukraine in exchange for the Ukraininan President to announce an investigation on his primary democratic rival? He isn't investigating that is he? Nor will the FEC because Trump refuses to nominate commissioners. The reasons seem obvious to me.

Unfortunately he's quite possibly in a MDA with Firtash (this is speculation at this point but wouldn't be surprising). To me that would seem like an awfully odd arrangement. I've also heard Barr is running around shaking down civilians to make claims about Biden's son since he hasn't been getting official cooperation or there's nothing there. I have to look more into that little gem. It may not be true, dunno.

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26 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:

Time to stick a fork in the Trump/GOP "Deep State Conspiracy Theory" alibi for Trump's Ukraine-gate extortion scam.  

We now have the testimony of multiple witnesses confirming that Trump withheld designated military aid from the Ukraine in an attempt to extort a Ukrainian black propaganda campaign against Joe Biden.

Meanwhile, the Gaslighter-in-Chief and his GOP Goon Squad have continued their disinformation campaign and illegal retaliatory attacks on Trump's Ukraine-gate scandal whistleblowers.

Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman was fired by Donald "Bone Spurs" today from his position as the National Security Council Advisor on European affairs.

 

Alas, methinks Vindman may have a civil claim because the whistle blower laws I believe apply to him also. If he was reassigned maybe not.

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The President’s Joint Defense Agreement with the Russian Mob Source: https://www.emptywheel.net/2019/10/12/the-presidents-joint-defense-agreement-with-the-russian-mob/#top

If we survive Trump and there are still things called museums around that display artifacts that present things called facts about historic events, I suspect John Dowd’s October 3 letter to the House Intelligence Committee will be displayed there, in all its Comic Sans glory.

In it, Dowd memorializes a conversation he had with HPSCI Investigation Counsel Nicholas Mitchell on September 30, before he was officially the lawyer for Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, now placed in writing because he had since officially become their lawyer. He describes that there is no way he and his clients can comply with an October 7 document request and even if he could — this is the key part — much of it would be covered by some kind of privilege.

    Be advised  that Messrs. Parnas and Fruman assisted Mr. Giuliani in connection with his representation of President Trump. Mr. Parnas and Mr. Fruman have also been represented by Mr. Giuliani in connection with their personal and business affairs. They also assisted Joseph DiGenova and Victoria Toensing in their law practice. Thus, certain information you seek in your September 30, 2019, letter is protected by the attorney-client, attorney work product and other privileges.

Once that letter was sent, under penalty of prosecution for false statements to Congress, it became fact: Parnas and Fruman do work for Rudy Giuliani in the service of the President of the United States covered by privilege, Rudy does work for them covered by privilege, and they also do work for Joseph Di Genova and Victoria Toensing about this matter that is covered by privilege.

Dowd might be forgiven if he immediately adopted the strategy that worked so well in guiding Trump through the Mueller investigation: just engage in a 37-person conspiracy to obstruct justice and name it a Joint Defense Agreement. Indeed, there are even similarities with current events. Then, John Dowd, Jay Sekulow, and Rudy Giuliani offered things of value to the others in the JDA — pardons — in exchange for their silence or even lies. Conspicuously, Toensing represented two people that — the Mueller Report seems to suggest — weren’t entirely candid in their testimony, Erik Prince (who managed to lose texts that explained why he was taking back channel meetings with Russians) and Sam Clovis (who sustained his lack of memory of being told that Russians were offering emails long enough for George Papadopoulos to change his mind on that front). Papadopoulos even managed to call Marc Kasowitz, when he still represented the President, to ask if he also wanted to represent a coffee boy with an inclination to lie to the FBI. The strategy all built to its successful crescendo when, instead of cooperating with prosecutors as he signed up to do, Paul Manafort instead figured out what they did and didn’t know, lied to keep them confused, and reported it all back through his own attorney, Kevin Downing, and Rudy to the President.

It was never really clear who was paying the lawyers (aside from the RNC paying Hope Hicks’ lawyers and some other key staffers). And as details of Manafort’s lies came out, it became clear there was some kind of kick-back system to keep the lawyers paid.

Still, Mueller never tied Manafort’s trading of campaign strategy for considerations on Ukraine and payment by Ukrainian and Russian oligarchs to the President. And so it may have seemed sensible for Dowd, in a bit of a pinch, to adopt the same strategy, with Rudy representing everyone, Dowd representing the Ukrainian grifters, and Kevin Downing even filling in in a pinch.

It all might have worked, too, if Parnas and Fruman hadn’t gotten arrested before they managed to flee the country, headed for what seems to have been a planned meeting a day later with their sometime attorney Rudy Giuliani in Vienna, just one day after a lunch meeting with him at Trump Hotel across the street from the Department of Justice that was busy inking an indictment against the Ukrainians even as they paid money to Trump Organization for their meal.

I mean, it still could work. Trump is still the President and DOJ, at least, will give some consideration to the attorney-client claims, so long as Rudy and Trump can maintain the illusion that Rudy is and was really doing legal work for the President.

But something that Dowd may not have considered, before he sent a letter to Congress laying out an incestuous nest of ethical atrocities, is that by the time he sent the letter, DiGenova and Toensing were on the record as representing Dmitry Firtash, a Ukrainian oligarch who was named in some of the early search warrants targeting Paul Manafort. And in March, Rudy Giuliani went on the record to explain that Firtash was, “one of the close associates of [Semion] Mogilevich, who is the head of Russian organized crime, who is Putin’s best friend.” Yesterday, Reuters closed the circle, making it clear that Parnas and Fruman work for Firtash, the former as a translator for DiGenova and Toensing’s representation of Firtash.

Firtash, by the way, is in Vienna, where Parnas and Fruman attempted to flee and where the President’s lawyer was planning to meet them a day later.

Thus, when Dowd wrote Congress, explaining that Rudy worked for both Trump and the Ukrainian grifters, and the Ukrainian grifters worked for DiGenova and Toensing, he was asserting that the President is a participant in an ethical thicket of legal representation with a mob-linked Ukrainian oligarch fighting extradition (for bribery) to the United States. And all of that, Dowd helpfully made clear, related to this Ukraine scandal (otherwise he could not have invoked privilege for it).

In other words, the President’s former lawyer asserted to Congress that the President and his current lawyer are in some kind of JDA from hell with the Russian mob, almost certainly along with the President’s former campaign manager, who apparently gets consulted (via Kevin Downing) on these matters in prison.

If that weren’t all overwhelming enough, there’s one more twist.

The reason Rudy was emphasizing the mob ties of his current partner in crime lawyering, Dmitry Firtash, back in March is because the President’s former former lawyer, Michael Cohen, shared a lawyer at the time with Firtash, Lanny Davis. Davis, the Democratic version of Paul Manafort, is every bit as sleazy as him (which should have been a huge red flag when Davis was parading Cohen around as a big hero). Curiously, at a time when Davis was also representing Firtash and Cohen was furiously trying to come up with some incriminating evidence he could tell prosecutors that might keep him out of jail, Cohen apparently didn’t mention Ukraine at all. Now, the lawyer that Cohen used to but no longer shares with Firtash claims he has some insight onto these Ukrainian dealings. That’s likely just a desperate effort to stay relevant. But who knows?

Until then, John Dowd’s desperate attempt to make this scandal go away the same way he made the Russia scandal go away (if you pretend they’re not actually all the same scandal and thus even the past JDA strategy may end up failing) at the same time involved admitting, in a letter to Congress, that his former client and his then current not-yet-but-soon-to-be-indicted clients are in a Joint Defense Agreement with the Russian mob.

Don’t take my word for it. Take John Dowd’s legal representation to Congress

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Kirk Galloway said: Yes it's true  there was a big divide between new money and old money 50 years ago. But that doesn't really exist so much anymore.

It may be more accurate to say that the divide 'doesn't really exist' only to those who are on the outside.

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Pam, I think you're just living 50 years ago. People are becoming billionaires in 5 years now. I've heard those 3 people I cited  make as much as the bottom 50%, but I'm never sure of those stats.

Ok, whatever inside track you have to their resentments. Do you have any evidence or specifics of the upper crust who are going to oust Trump from office because he's vulgar? Or not one of them?

We'll completely leave out evidence of being the most corrupt president in U.S. history, that a significant portion of the populace may be concerned about.

If Trump gets kicked out of office, or doesn't get re elected,  it will be because of broad based support among the populace. Just like the advocacy of people on this very forum. Perhaps you heard it here first.

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On 11/9/2019 at 8:53 AM, James DiEugenio said:

Yes. Very interesting and about what I think is going on. Cigar chomping bureaucrats "protecting "us. For the first time in my life I agree with them. Hopefully the electorate forecloses on the need. I personally believe the Republican party is at fault, mostly. Their candidates keep wandering off the road and presenting us with deeply flawed candidates. I realize many would say the same about HRC but at least she has guard rails. Trump is off the ledge IMO.

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5 hours ago, Robert Wheeler said:

In another era, they would have just shot The President.

Former White House Chief of Staff John Kelly and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson tried to subvert President Trump’s wishes and justified their actions as trying to “save the country,” former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley says.

In a her new book, “With All Due Respect,” Haley recalls a closed-door meeting with Tillerson and Kelly where they ask her to join their effort to counter Trump.

“Kelly and Tillerson confided in me that when they resisted the president, they weren’t being insubordinate, they were trying to save the country,” Haley wrote, according to CBS News, which got an advance copy of the new tome.

https://nypost.com/2019/11/10/nikki-haley-says-john-kelly-and-rex-tillerson-tried-to-recruit-her/

 

Interesting story Robert.

Thanks.  I wonder why she left though?  Did Trump offer he the State job?

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5 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

I wonder why she left though? 

Probably to write the book. Now we know Tillerson & Kelly were not working for the President. There is probably hundreds of other useful points in the book. Some thought definitely went into the timing of the books release.

Yesterday at 6:02 Eastern Trump Tweets  -   @NikkiHaley is out with a new book, “With All Due Respect” this week. Make sure you order your copy today, or stop by one of her book tour stops to get a copy and say hello. Good luck Nikki! https://t.co/uHKAAlVuLt [Twitter for iPhone]

It is likely that since Trump tweeted about the book, it is "Trump Approved", which means she will probably show up in his second Admin. (Secy. of State, maybe even VP.)

V.P. because Pence was probably in on the subversion. (Indiana has a deep Republican swamp. Pence is likely part of the Lugar, Coates and Quayle contingent. Quayle was picked to be VP because he was also deeply involved in Iran/Contra. Some information here. Also this Forum post from 2006.)

Separately, here is a great searchable site that collects indexes, archives all of Trumps Tweets. (Also about 50 other Trump era related  people. HRC, Pence, Trump Jr.)     http://trumptwitterarchive.com/archive

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8 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Interesting story Robert.

Thanks.  I wonder why she left though?  Did Trump offer he the State job?

Let's not forget that Nikki Haley is the ultimate Neocon shill. *  She's a spawn of PNAC and the phony GOP "war on Terror."

Her conduct as UN Ambassador was the diametric opposite of JFK's approach to a fair and balanced mediation of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

In addition to promoting Trump's sabotage of the Iranian nuclear disarmament treaty, Haley directly promoted the disinformazia about the false flag chemical weapons attacks in Syria, and Trump's "retaliatory" cruise missile attacks on Syrian government positions.

*  Don’t Call Nikki Haley a Moderate. She’s an Extremist on Israel, Iran, and Human Rights

https://theintercept.com/2018/10/11/nikki-haley-resigns-un-ambassador/

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