James DiEugenio Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 7 hours ago, Stu Wexler said: Was it Truly or Shelly who had outside payment? It was Truly according to Horne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Bacon Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 On 3/5/2022 at 12:34 PM, James DiEugenio said: Those kinds of financial records were supposed to be held in camera by the Board. Only for internal use, not for the public at large. Got it. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 This should actually be in the JFK Revisited thread but since Micah started a separate thread, I will place it here. To me, what Horne's info indicates is that either Oswald was being paid by the CIA, or that he was paid by a specialized section of military intelligence. (I should also add, there is a book coming out soon that will say Oswald was at Nag's Head.) To me, if the deduction that Oswald was an intel assignment before he left for Russia is accurate then it explains a few things. 1. The sensational work by Betsy Wolf about the rigging of Oswald's file at CIA in advance: that is why his papers did not go where they should have, and why no 201 file was opened until 13 months later. 2. The almost unbelievable oddities surrounding his hardship early leave. Which was not ever credible on its own terms. 3. How he knew to go to Helsinki for the easy and fast entrance into the USSR. 4. His staying at two of the swankiest hotels in that city, one of them an absolute 5 star, and the other about a. 4.5 star. When, in fact, he should have been at a Motel 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah Mileto Posted March 8, 2022 Author Share Posted March 8, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, James DiEugenio said: This should actually be in the JFK Revisited thread but since Micah started a separate thread, I will place it here. To me, what Horne's info indicates is that either Oswald was being paid by the CIA, or that he was paid by a specialized section of military intelligence. (I should also add, there is a book coming out soon that will say Oswald was at Nag's Head.) To me, if the deduction that Oswald was an intel assignment before he left for Russia is accurate then it explains a few things. 1. The sensational work by Betsy Wolf about the rigging of Oswald's file at CIA in advance: that is why his papers did not go where they should have, and why no 201 file was opened until 13 months later. 2. The almost unbelievable oddities surrounding his hardship early leave. Which was not ever credible on its own terms. 3. How he knew to go to Helsinki for the easy and fast entrance into the USSR. 4. His staying at two of the swankiest hotels in that city, one of them an absolute 5 star, and the other about a. 4.5 star. When, in fact, he should have been at a Motel 6. Is there any chance that this is simply a case of a record being lost, or does the record specifically say that Oswald and Shelly weren't paid? This is strange information because it sounds groundbreaking at first, but then again it might just depend on the public's limited knowledge on the very niche subject of 50's-60's-era payment records? Or no? Edited March 8, 2022 by Micah Mileto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 According to Horne that was not the case, he asked his contact to double check it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah Mileto Posted March 8, 2022 Author Share Posted March 8, 2022 (edited) On 3/8/2022 at 12:22 AM, James DiEugenio said: According to Horne that was not the case, he asked his contact to double check it. It couldn't just be "they lost the record"? There exist records that specifically prove the negative that Oswald and Truly were not paid? Edited March 26, 2022 by Micah Mileto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Roe Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 On 3/8/2022 at 12:14 AM, Micah Mileto said: It couldn't just be "they lost the record"? There exist records that specifically prove the negative that Oswald and Shelly were not paid? Micah, this is nothing new on Oswald. Allow a little time, as we just got this god-awful series here in the U.S. And you are closer to the truth that it was indeed record keeping issues. Oswald did not get paid by the CIA, ONI, or any other intelligence agency. Horne as usual, is so way off base. As most people know he believes in nutty windshield holes, fake Z-Film, body alteration, etc. There was no fact-checking in this film series. Stone's staff took them at their word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah Mileto Posted March 26, 2022 Author Share Posted March 26, 2022 (edited) Doug Horne Replies: On Oswald’s Earnings Now if we could only see more information on Roy Truly's income.... Edited March 26, 2022 by Micah Mileto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 (edited) On 3/11/2022 at 2:19 PM, Steve Roe said: Micah, this is nothing new on Oswald. Allow a little time, as we just got this god-awful series here in the U.S. And you are closer to the truth that it was indeed record keeping issues. Oswald did not get paid by the CIA, ONI, or any other intelligence agency. Horne as usual, is so way off base. As most people know he believes in nutty windshield holes, fake Z-Film, body alteration, etc. There was no fact-checking in this film series. Stone's staff took them at their word. No fact-checking in this film series? Your nutty as a fruitcake, are you from Corsicana? Many of the people in the film are researchers who have dedicated their time and own money digging for the facts, the Truth. Others are material witnesses. Have you watched the series, bothered to check the credentials of those you criticize? Many of them are respected experts in their field. Put your own credentials up against Dr. Wecht, those who have examined evidence in the National Archives scientifically, or who have interviewed witnesses, like Doug Horne. Edited March 26, 2022 by Ron Bulman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 Great stuff. Query for Marine vets out there: In 1959, normal practice, did Marines receive weekly, biweekly, or monthly paper checks for wages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Ron Bulman said: No fact-checking in this film series? Your nutty as a fruitcake, are you from Corsicana? Many of the people in the film are researchers who have dedicated their time and own money digging for the facts, the Truth. Others are material witnesses. Have you watched the series, bothered to check the credentials of those you criticize? Many of them are respected experts in their field. Put your own credentials up against Dr. Wecht, those who have examined evidence in the National Archives scientifically, or who have interviewed witnesses, like Doug Horne. bump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah Mileto Posted March 26, 2022 Author Share Posted March 26, 2022 On 3/6/2022 at 3:47 PM, James DiEugenio said: It was Truly according to Horne. It was Truly? Wow, that's even crazier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 (edited) Possible source of income for Roy Truly. The Dallas Trust Corp: Roy Truly - Fred Korth connection posted by Greg Wagner in the ROKC Forum 12/23/17 Roy Truly: "Born August 9 1907. ·Began work for the Texas Book Depository in 1934 as head of the Miscellaneous Dept. – the same job Bill Shelley was filling in 1963·Became superintendent in 1944 and at some stage was made a co-director of the company" “Corsicana Daily Sun” from Corsicana, Texas March 31, 1970 Page 10 https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/41268447/ “The building (the Texas School Book Depository) is owned by the Dallas Trust Corp. The majority stockholder of the firm, Col. D. Harold Byrd, 69, has decided to liquidate some of his holdings.” 1961 Dallas City Directory page 387 https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth806907/m1/723/?q=Byrd D.H. Byrd_Dallas Trust_Utah_1958 Clipped from The Salt Lake Tribune Salt Lake City, Utah 14 Jul 1958, Mon Page 16 https://www.newspapers.com/clip/20603777/dh_byrddallas_trustutah1958/ Steve Thomas Edited March 26, 2022 by Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Pickering Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 Perhaps the answer got flambeed in 1973 along with 13 million other military personnel files. Isn't that where the expression 'cooking the truth' originated? Perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 6 hours ago, Jon Pickering said: Perhaps the answer got flambeed in 1973 along with 13 million other military personnel files. Isn't that where the expression 'cooking the truth' originated? Perhaps? "Cook it? Son, we damn near fricasseed the thing!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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