Oswald and the Shot at Walker: Redressing the Balance

[Allen Lowe]

On 3/28/2023 at 11:19 AM, Steve Roe said:

Mr. Lowe nice trying to make this into another LN vs. CT polarization game. 

Benjamin Cole wrote an article on DiEugenio's K&K stating he believed Oswald did fire at Walker.

 https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/walker-oswald-and-the-dog-that-didn-t-bark

DiEugenio said this about Ben's article:

Benjamin Cole reexamines the “Walker Incident” and offers a better explanation than the one provided in the Warren Report by accounting for all of the anomalies in the evidence and witness accounts.

DiEugenio said this in his book:

For they were now saying that it was a 6.5 caliber, copper-jacketed bullet. One compatible with the alleged rifle in evidence. Yet, this was not the bullet the police retrieved from Walker’s house that night and Walker had held in his hand. That bullet was a 30.06, steel jacketed bullet.129 As the reader can see, the combination of Ruth Paine with the FBI allowed the Warren Commission to manufacture a case that likely did not exist. As we will see, this will recur.

DiEugenio, James. Destiny Betrayed: JFK, Cuba, and the Garrison Case (p. 202). Skyhorse. Kindle Edition. 

Problem here with Mr. DiEugenio's research is he misleads his readers. He cites (129) the DPD case report on the Walker shooting. Yes, the DPD case report did state the steel jacketed bullet, but nowhere in the case report did it describe the bullet as a 30.06. It clearly states the bullet was of unknown caliber. 

Lockstep with DiEugenio, Ben Cole states this in his article: 

But after the Kennedy murder, the DPD sent the steel-jacketed bullet—stated in police reports to be a 30.06 calibre—to the FBI. 

Again, there is no 30.06 caliber mentioned in the DPD case report from the investigating detectives. 

This is not the tired old LN vs. CT game: it's about getting the facts straight. 

Who is holding the baloney sandwich now? 

Steve - just because someone talks doesn't mean they are saying something.  NOTHING you quote puts LHO there with a rifle, nothing has him firing the rifle, nothing has him hiding the rifle. A million bullets would fit that rifle - ever hear of a firing range? You disappoint me, you are usually more clever than this in concealing your lack of knowledge. The LN case has sunk down so low that it has gone (as you have) where the sun don't shine. There were men there, a car with a license plate that was later cut out; and besides, think about it - if Oswald couldn't hit THAT target, how would he hit any other, especially one that was moving (and a feat which no sharp shooter has ever replicated; and don't start with your examples, I am talking about HITTING a moving target, not just getting shots off; even someone like you could probably do that)?

So, Steve....your time is up. As a matter of fact it has long since passed. Please slink off into the LN sunset.

Edited April 4, 2023 by Allen Lowe

[Chuck Schwartz]

In 1984, this is what Mae Brussell wrote about Edwin Walker, " 

General Edwin Walker and the Hitler National Socialists

 

    The Eagle's Nest, now a mountain restaurant, was given to Adolf Hitler by National Socialist aide Martin Bormann for the fuhrer's 50th birthday. It is not far from Hitler's former summer home in Berchtesgaden.
    Nearby is the Platterhof Hotel, built for guests when they came to pay their respects. The Platterhof has changed its name to the General Walker Hotel.
    November 23, 1963, one day after Kennedy's death, Gen. Edwin Walker called Munich, Germany, from Shreveport, La.
    Walker's important story, via transatlantic telephone, was to the National Socialist newspaper Deutsche National Zeitung un Soldaten-Zeitung. Walker couldn't wait to tell them in Munich that Lee Harvey Oswald, the lone suspect in the Dallas murders, was the same person who shot through his window in April, 1963.
    There was never one shred of evidence, or a reliable witness, that could make this connection Dallas police and FBI were taken by surprise.
    In order to cover this over-exuberance of trying to link a Marxist assassin to this altercation, it became necessary to have Ruth Paine deliver that ridiculous letter to Marina Oswald on December 3, 1964. The delayed letter was to have been written the night Lee was out shooting in Walker's home.
    The only piece of bullet that remained in custody was never positively identified as coming from the 6.5 Mannlicher Carcano, and there is no proof Oswald even handled this rifle.
    Why was General Walker in such a hurry to get his information printed in Germany before anybody in Dallas ever heard about it?
    Kurt-George Kiesinger had just been installed as Chancellor of West Germany and Franz-Josef Straus as finance minister.
    Kissinger entered the radio propaganda division of National Socialist Foreign Minister von Ribbentrop at age 36. He was then directing a world-wide radio propaganda apparatus with 195 specialists under his supervision during the war. He was the liaison officer, coordinating his department's work with that of Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels.
    Richard Nixon and Kurt-George Kiesinger were soon, or maybe before, to become pals. Nixon tried to hide his National Socialist past.
    But General Walker, now home from military service in Munich, knew the importance of such propaganda. He was calling the same people who, under Hitler, published and controlled the newspapers.
    There were two motives for this call.
    First, it gave international attention to the fact that Oswald, the Marxist gunman, was shooting at Walker as well as the President.
    General Walker knew too many people in the Defense Department and in the Dallas-Fort Worth area that could be part of this assassination. He made himself appear as a victim instead of a suspect.
    The other reason, along with the expertise of Robert Morris's counter-intelligence and psychological warfare training, was to create a profile for Lee Harvey Oswald.
    No possible motive could explain why Oswald would really want to kill President Kennedy. By having Oswald appear to shoot the right-wing General Walker with his John Birch connections, his militant anti-communist stance, then shoot John Kennedy, the same Commie-symp Walker was accusing of treason, it would appear that Oswald was just nuts. He didn't know right from left.
    The Munich newspaper Walker called was linked to the World Movement for a Second Anti-Komintern, part of the Gehlen and U.S. right.
    Some of Hitler's ex-National Socialists and SS-men were on the Staff.
    The editor, Gerhard Frey, was a close friend with various National Socialist members of the Witiko League. The Witiko League and the Sudetendeutch Landsmannscraft were organizations for displaced refugees. By the summer of 1948 they formed large organizations and by 1955 Dr. Walter Becher was elected to the executive board of the Witiko League. Becher was one of the kingpins of National Socialist front organizations.
    Sen. Joe McCarthy, Charles Willoughby, Gen. Edwin Walker, and Robert Morris' links to the German National Socialists converged when Dr. Walter Becher set up offices in Washington, D.C. in 1950.
    By July 16, 1957, Becher, praised by American Opinion and other extreme right publications, started his policy of liberation. General Douglas MacArthur, Senator Joe McCarthy, General Willoughby, members of the U.S. Congress or public officials then started openly to meet with and cooperate with the National Socialist resurgence.
    Dan Smooth, former Dallas FBI agent is the type of person who kept strong National Socialist ties with Dr. Becher in Munich, to Western Goals today. His printed sheets were identical to the Goebbels propaganda years ago, or to Walker's disinformation one day after Kennedy was killed.
    Volkmar Schmidt came from Munich, Germany, to work full time for General Walker. How long did he work, and where was he on November 23, 1963, when Walker made the call to the same city the CUSA imports came from?
    The YAF crowd in Dallas was an interesting gang: Col. Charles Willoughby, intelligence Chief for S. Pacific, Robert Morris, U.S. counter-intelligence and psychological warfare, Gen Edwin Walker, brought home from Munich by JFK, William Buckley, CIA in Japan, Mexico, and elsewhere, Sen. John Tower, who gave the okay for Marina Oswald."

[Steve Roe]

7 minutes ago, Chuck Schwartz said:

Volkmar Schmidt came from Munich, Germany, to work full time for General Walker. How long did he work, and where was he on November 23, 1963, when Walker made the call to the same city the CUSA imports came from?

Lots of problems and mistakes with your post. Here's one of the most glaring. Volkmar Schmidt never worked full time for General Walker. Schmidt worked as a Petrologist for the Magnolia Oil (Socony Mobil). Schmidt despised General Walker. 

[Joe Bauer]

4 hours ago, Chuck Schwartz said:

In 1984, this is what Mae Brussell wrote about Edwin Walker, " 

General Edwin Walker and the Hitler National Socialists

 

    The Eagle's Nest, now a mountain restaurant, was given to Adolf Hitler by National Socialist aide Martin Bormann for the fuhrer's 50th birthday. It is not far from Hitler's former summer home in Berchtesgaden.
    Nearby is the Platterhof Hotel, built for guests when they came to pay their respects. The Platterhof has changed its name to the General Walker Hotel.
    November 23, 1963, one day after Kennedy's death, Gen. Edwin Walker called Munich, Germany, from Shreveport, La.
    Walker's important story, via transatlantic telephone, was to the National Socialist newspaper Deutsche National Zeitung un Soldaten-Zeitung. Walker couldn't wait to tell them in Munich that Lee Harvey Oswald, the lone suspect in the Dallas murders, was the same person who shot through his window in April, 1963.
    There was never one shred of evidence, or a reliable witness, that could make this connection Dallas police and FBI were taken by surprise.
    In order to cover this over-exuberance of trying to link a Marxist assassin to this altercation, it became necessary to have Ruth Paine deliver that ridiculous letter to Marina Oswald on December 3, 1964. The delayed letter was to have been written the night Lee was out shooting in Walker's home.
    The only piece of bullet that remained in custody was never positively identified as coming from the 6.5 Mannlicher Carcano, and there is no proof Oswald even handled this rifle.
    Why was General Walker in such a hurry to get his information printed in Germany before anybody in Dallas ever heard about it?
    Kurt-George Kiesinger had just been installed as Chancellor of West Germany and Franz-Josef Straus as finance minister.
    Kissinger entered the radio propaganda division of National Socialist Foreign Minister von Ribbentrop at age 36. He was then directing a world-wide radio propaganda apparatus with 195 specialists under his supervision during the war. He was the liaison officer, coordinating his department's work with that of Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels.
    Richard Nixon and Kurt-George Kiesinger were soon, or maybe before, to become pals. Nixon tried to hide his National Socialist past.
    But General Walker, now home from military service in Munich, knew the importance of such propaganda. He was calling the same people who, under Hitler, published and controlled the newspapers.
    There were two motives for this call.
    First, it gave international attention to the fact that Oswald, the Marxist gunman, was shooting at Walker as well as the President.
    General Walker knew too many people in the Defense Department and in the Dallas-Fort Worth area that could be part of this assassination. He made himself appear as a victim instead of a suspect.
    The other reason, along with the expertise of Robert Morris's counter-intelligence and psychological warfare training, was to create a profile for Lee Harvey Oswald.
    No possible motive could explain why Oswald would really want to kill President Kennedy. By having Oswald appear to shoot the right-wing General Walker with his John Birch connections, his militant anti-communist stance, then shoot John Kennedy, the same Commie-symp Walker was accusing of treason, it would appear that Oswald was just nuts. He didn't know right from left.
    The Munich newspaper Walker called was linked to the World Movement for a Second Anti-Komintern, part of the Gehlen and U.S. right.
    Some of Hitler's ex-National Socialists and SS-men were on the Staff.
    The editor, Gerhard Frey, was a close friend with various National Socialist members of the Witiko League. The Witiko League and the Sudetendeutch Landsmannscraft were organizations for displaced refugees. By the summer of 1948 they formed large organizations and by 1955 Dr. Walter Becher was elected to the executive board of the Witiko League. Becher was one of the kingpins of National Socialist front organizations.
    Sen. Joe McCarthy, Charles Willoughby, Gen. Edwin Walker, and Robert Morris' links to the German National Socialists converged when Dr. Walter Becher set up offices in Washington, D.C. in 1950.
    By July 16, 1957, Becher, praised by American Opinion and other extreme right publications, started his policy of liberation. General Douglas MacArthur, Senator Joe McCarthy, General Willoughby, members of the U.S. Congress or public officials then started openly to meet with and cooperate with the National Socialist resurgence.
    Dan Smooth, former Dallas FBI agent is the type of person who kept strong National Socialist ties with Dr. Becher in Munich, to Western Goals today. His printed sheets were identical to the Goebbels propaganda years ago, or to Walker's disinformation one day after Kennedy was killed.
    Volkmar Schmidt came from Munich, Germany, to work full time for General Walker. How long did he work, and where was he on November 23, 1963, when Walker made the call to the same city the CUSA imports came from?
    The YAF crowd in Dallas was an interesting gang: Col. Charles Willoughby, intelligence Chief for S. Pacific, Robert Morris, U.S. counter-intelligence and psychological warfare, Gen Edwin Walker, brought home from Munich by JFK, William Buckley, CIA in Japan, Mexico, and elsewhere, Sen. John Tower, who gave the okay for Marina Oswald."

This above post takes me back to my Mae Brussell radio talk show listening days here in Carmel/Monterey, CA.

She shared so much information like this. It was fascinating deep research stuff. Unlike anything anyone else had ever dug up.

She would speak fast and non-stop. At times it was exhausting to stay with her for a hour.

Just read ( or listen to ) what she had discovered and was sharing however and realize that without her we surely would've never known the full extent of this sinister dark forces connection aspect of our secret government.

 

Edited April 15, 2023 by Joe Bauer

[Chuck Schwartz]

Yes, Joe, and I am glad to see that Mae's take on the JFKA is now being picked up in "Coup in Dallas", where , on page 427, it is stated,  "Lafitte's datebook for 1963 clearly reveals that Souetre and Walker did meet on April 30.  " (Also, per "Coup in Dallas" that meeting took place in New Orleans.)

[Joe Bauer]

1 hour ago, Chuck Schwartz said:

Yes, Joe, and I am glad to see that Mae's take on the JFKA is now being picked up in "Coup in Dallas", where , on page 427, it is stated,  "Lafitte's datebook for 1963 clearly reveals that Souetre and Walker did meet on April 30.  " (Also, per "Coup in Dallas" that meeting took place in New Orleans.)

I'm sure Brussell got some things wrong. She reported thousands of research findings.

Yet, if only 60 to 70% of what she shared was true...it was watershed info.

I had never heard of Reinhard Gehlen before Russell's broadcasts.

Yet, she was right on about that story and other top Germans being secretly protected and incorporated into our intel and research realm.

Brussell was a research machine.

Great grand daughter of the I. Magnin founders Mary and Isaac Magnin.

I. Magnin eventually was taken over by Macy's Corp.

At one point, I.Magnin had a boutique in the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angleses.

The same hotel where Robert F. Kennedy was murdered.

Brussell attended both Stanford and Berkeley Universities.

Edited April 15, 2023 by Joe Bauer

[Steve Thomas]

2 hours ago, Chuck Schwartz said:

  "Lafitte's datebook for 1963 clearly reveals that Souetre and Walker did meet on April 30. 

Chuck,

Do you know if there is any corroboration for this?

Did Walker ever say that he met with Souetre?

Did Souetre ever say that he met with Walker?

Anything from Walker's aides?

Was there anyone else present?

Just curious.

Steve Thomas

[Bill Brown]

Oswald's motive for shooting at General Walker was the same as he had for assassinating the President.  Marxism and Cuba.  Oswald wanted the United States Government to keep it's hands off of Cuba.

Oswald told Capt. Will Fritz that he was a Marxist, that he belonged to the Fair Play For Cuba organization and that he was in favor of Fidel Castro's revolution.

Before the revolution, Castro, with his Marxist beliefs, condemned social and economic inequality in Cuba.  He adopted the Marxist view that meaningful political change could only be brought about by proletariat revolution.

While Castro was imprisoned for the failed attack on the Moncada Barracks in Cuba, his wife took employment with the Ministry of the Interior.  Castro was enraged and insulted.  His Marxist beliefs were so strong that filed for divorce.  Mirta (Castro's wife) took custody of their son Fidelito.  The thought of his son growing up in a bourgeois environment further enraged Castro.

Oswald agreed strongly with the Marxist beliefs of Castro.

During the revolution, the U.S. Government feared that Castro was a socialist.

In early January of 1959, Batista was overthrown by the rebels and he fled.

The revolution was a crucial turning point in relations between the U.S. and Cuba.  Originally, the U.S. government was willing to recognize Castro's new government.  However, the U.S. government would eventually fear that Communist insurgencies would spread through Latin America, as they had in Southeast Asia.

On March 5, 1963, Major General Edwin Walker gave a speech where he called on the White House to "liquidate the (communist) scourge that has descended upon the island of Cuba."  Walker was obviously referring to Fidel Castro.   Oswald ordered his rifle seven days later.

Captain Fritz told the Warren Commission:

"I got the impression that he was doing it because of his feeling about the Castro revolution, and I think that he felt, he had a lot of feeling about that revolution.

I think that was the reason. I noticed another thing. I noticed a little before when Walker was shot, he had come out with some statements about Castro and about Cuba and a lot of things and if you will remember the President had some stories a few weeks before his death about Cuba and about Castro and some things, and I wondered if that didn't have some bearing.

I have no way of knowing that other than just watching him and talking to him. I think it was his feeling about his belief in being a Marxist, he told me he had debated in New Orleans, and that he tried to get converts to this Fair Play for Cuba organization, so I think that was his motive. I think he was doing it because of that."

 

[Chuck Schwartz]

Steve T., the corraboration of the Walker/Souetre  meeting is per  Peter Kross's "JFK: The French Connection", p. 263- see page 614 of "Coup in Dallas".

[Steve Thomas]

18 minutes ago, Chuck Schwartz said:

Steve T., the corraboration of the Walker/Souetre  meeting is per  Peter Kross's "JFK: The French Connection", p. 263- see page 614 of "Coup in Dallas".

Chuck,

Thank you.

Is there any way you could summarize or reproduce page 263 of Kross's book?

Steve Thomas

[Paul Brancato]

Chuck - you know we are mostly on the same page. I can’t bring myself to buy the kindle edition of Kross’s book after reading the reviews on Amazon. Self published perhaps? Is there original research in it beyond what Fensterwald dug up?

[Benjamin Cole]

4 hours ago, Bill Brown said:

Oswald's motive for shooting at General Walker was the same as he had for assassinating the President.  Marxism and Cuba.  Oswald wanted the United States Government to keep it's hands off of Cuba.

Oswald told Capt. Will Fritz that he was a Marxist, that he belonged to the Fair Play For Cuba organization and that he was in favor of Fidel Castro's revolution.

Before the revolution, Castro, with his Marxist beliefs, condemned social and economic inequality in Cuba.  He adopted the Marxist view that meaningful political change could only be brought about by proletariat revolution.

While Castro was imprisoned for the failed attack on the Moncada Barracks in Cuba, his wife took employment with the Ministry of the Interior.  Castro was enraged and insulted.  His Marxist beliefs were so strong that filed for divorce.  Mirta (Castro's wife) took custody of their son Fidelito.  The thought of his son growing up in a bourgeois environment further enraged Castro.

Oswald agreed strongly with the Marxist beliefs of Castro.

During the revolution, the U.S. Government feared that Castro was a socialist.

In early January of 1959, Batista was overthrown by the rebels and he fled.

The revolution was a crucial turning point in relations between the U.S. and Cuba.  Originally, the U.S. government was willing to recognize Castro's new government.  However, the U.S. government would eventually fear that Communist insurgencies would spread through Latin America, as they had in Southeast Asia.

On March 5, 1963, Major General Edwin Walker gave a speech where he called on the White House to "liquidate the (communist) scourge that has descended upon the island of Cuba."  Walker was obviously referring to Fidel Castro.   Oswald ordered his rifle seven days later.

Captain Fritz told the Warren Commission:

"I got the impression that he was doing it because of his feeling about the Castro revolution, and I think that he felt, he had a lot of feeling about that revolution.

I think that was the reason. I noticed another thing. I noticed a little before when Walker was shot, he had come out with some statements about Castro and about Cuba and a lot of things and if you will remember the President had some stories a few weeks before his death about Cuba and about Castro and some things, and I wondered if that didn't have some bearing.

I have no way of knowing that other than just watching him and talking to him. I think it was his feeling about his belief in being a Marxist, he told me he had debated in New Orleans, and that he tried to get converts to this Fair Play for Cuba organization, so I think that was his motive. I think he was doing it because of that."

 

There is still a curiosity about the Walker shooting.

Not one, but two, Dallas Police Department detectives authored and signed a brief report on April 10, 1963, that the bullet recovered from the Walker residence was "steel jacketed." 

Both detectives examined the bullet.

The curiosity is that steel-jacketed bullets were and are uncommon---the standard for nearly a century has been copper-jacketed bullets.  Industry literature is clear on this point. 

Some steel-jackets have been designed and manufactured for military application, for greater penetrating power.

Some wartime surplus steel-jacketed bullets from Europe made way to the US after WWII, and was held in low regard. 

There were and are continual concerns among gun owners that the harder steel-jackets wear out gun barrels. 

There were copper-gilded steel jacket bullets on the market in the 1960s, sort of novelty items. 

Ammo ads from the 1960s, and today, are very specific regarding jacketing. There is no mixing up of steel and copper jackets. The gun community does not treat steel and copper-jacketed bullets interchangeably. 

The key point is this: 

If police detectives on the scene of an attempted murder of a high-profile public figure found evidence, the bullet that is, and noted it was "steel jacketed" they did so as that was an important clue---an uncommon type of slug was found at the scene. The gunman has odd ammo. 

The two detectives noted what was notable--a relatively uncommon steel jacket. 

Adding to the curiosity is that the Walker bullet the Warren Commission produced as evidence---CE573---is very obviously copper-jacketed. The common, standard  jacketing. It can't be missed. 

This is inexplicable. 

In one of the weakest explanations in history, in any circumstance let alone the JFKA, an FBI lab guy told the Warren Commission that "some individuals" refer to all rifle bullets as "steel jacketed." (housewives of erstwhile hunters, for example?). 

There is nothing in literature to support that FBI statement, moreover, two police detectives gathering evidence at an attempted murder scene are not "some individuals." 

My bet is the Walker bullet in evidence, CE573, is not the steel-jacketed bullet recovered from the Walker residence on April 10, 1963. 

If LHO did the shooting that night at Walker, it was not with his Mannlicher-Carcano rifle.

 

 

Edited April 15, 2023 by Benjamin Cole

[Chuck Schwartz]

 Steve, no I cannot do that- I do not have the Kross book.  The foonotes in "Coup in Dallas"  go from p. 587 to page 642.  Paul, I hear you.  My investment in my time is reading / understanding " Coup in Dallas"  , not the Kross book.   I have no opinion of the Kross book.