Bob Ness Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Robert Wheeler said: In Friday's Closed Door Testimony - David Holmes said in his testimony that he told he immediately told the Deputy Chief of Mission and others at the Embassy about the call with President Trump and Sondland. Holmes added that he told Ambassador Taylor about the call and “repeatedly referred to the call and conversation with Ambassador Sondland in meetings and conversations.” [This would have been around July 26.] The problem though is that it contradicts William Taylor's testimony. He said he heard about the call "last Friday", which was November 8. So someone does not have their story straight. Here is a more detailed write-up. Taylor didn't report to Kyiv until late August and the State Department is refusing to respond to Congressional subpoenas to produce his notes and other information. If he forgot until whenever it's not exactly a big scandal. It's pretty easy to explain why they aren't allowing access to the documents - they confirm what we already know - Trump was extorting political favors using appropriated US tax dollars for his own benefit. In fact it's fair to assume that when subpoenas are ignored it's because they're incriminating. Either way it doesn't change anything about the details of Holmes' assertion and says more about the audience of the publication than anything else. Let me know when someone else who was at the table with Sondland and Holmes says "He didn't say that!" Then you have something. Otherwise this is just right wing flatulence. Edited November 18, 2019 by Bob Ness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 IRS whistleblower case advances on political appointee tampering with tax returns of Trump and Pence https://www.thehour.com/business/article/IRS-whistleblower-case-advances-as-Senate-staff-14843718.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Berube Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 On 11/18/2019 at 12:18 AM, Kirk Gallaway said: Jim did you find out who David Holmes was? And how's the search for that no good whistle blower going? Nice job evading the question put to you Kirk. I would’ve avoided it too as you couldn’t have had a reasonable answer. Holmes is a state department employee who claimed to overhear trump on a phone call. Bombshell stuff Kirk. I know whenever i hear state Department i assume the opposite of what they put out is the truth, experience, not paranoia. Meanwhile Obama cant stop giving speeches to the Carlyle group and all his other wall street friends, just like hrc did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted November 19, 2019 Author Share Posted November 19, 2019 Thanks Dennis, not only did he not answer he did not even acknowledge the questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Erstwhile Bush-boy Bob Wheeler supported the Iraq War, a conflict in which Lt. Col. Vindman was wounded. Someone ask Mr. Wheeler if he were wounded in a war he supported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Gallaway Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Dennis Berube said: Nice job evading the question put to you Kirk. I would’ve avoided it too as you couldn’t have had a reasonable answer. Holmes is a state department employee who claimed to overhear trump on a phone call. Bombshell stuff Kirk. I know whenever i hear state Department i assume the opposite of what they put out is the truth, experience, not paranoia. Meanwhile Obama cant stop giving speeches to the Carlyle group and all his other wall street friends, just like hrc did. No Dennis, I just graciously know when to drop things (when someone has something in his craw for 10 hours and just has to get it out, even though he resorts to childish insults) and Jim is the most evasive poster here, and to quote him just now, nor does he "acknowledge my questions", and I haven't gotten a straight answer from Jim about any major question, involving Trump's culpability. So why should I give him an answer? But Dennis, maybe you can step up to the plate. These are softball questions, and are intentionally designed to not be overly committal, so you can answer them and still save face with the other people as "deep" as you.. So why you don't you answer these questions for Jim? 1)Are you 100% sure that Trump is not compromised by Russian oligarchs despite Trump's financial history, his family's past statements to that effect, as well as his lies to that effect? Please elaborate, and logically justify your viewpoint. 2)Given that the Mueller testimony was not the bombshell the Democrats had hoped, and the very following day Trump is on the phone trying to seal his deal with Zelensky. Now that we know Trump will use foreign sources to interfere with our election process. Is Trump, 1) more likely to have collaborated with the Russians or 2) less likely? Dennis said: I know whenever i hear state Department i assume the opposite of what they put out is the truth, experience, not paranoia. Yes, I'm sure you've had extensive first hand experience with the State Department, or maybe you just read the right books, right?.Cool! Dennis said: Meanwhile Obama cant stop giving speeches to the Carlyle group and all his other wall street friends, just like hrc did. Down to Obama now Dennis? Do you have any talking points that aren't Jim's? And the dreaded Carlyle group? Whew! They've certainly been the subject of a lot of books about shady defense contracts. That may be true. I see a rather minor defense stock that had a surge at one point but lost it all and ended up losing value in 8 years under Obama and has almost doubled in the last year under Trump! So How' s that Deep State, Obama warmonger- Trump as "peacenik" thesis working out there Dennis? Isn't that the reason Jim's taught you the Deep State wants to get rid of Trump? Or does he have a reason?, I can't remember. That's probably another one of his secrets! As far as the speaking, maybe it's like a battered wife syndrone that they can't get enough of Obama? Maybe they just perversely like Obama devaluing their stock. But what am I supposed to answer to that? You're quite the revolutionary, Dennis. Do you think any of us approve of that? Edited November 20, 2019 by Kirk Gallaway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) This thread could use some serious comic relief... 😬 https://thenib.com/a-real-head-scratcher?id=tom-tomorrow&t=author Edited November 20, 2019 by W. Niederhut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, W. Niederhut said: This thread could use some serious comic relief... 😬 https://thenib.com/a-real-head-scratcher?id=tom-tomorrow&t=author It makes me think of Rod Sterling. I don't pretend to understand it all, an important subject, but who to believe on what, here or on the MSM. It is deep. https://www.bing.com/search?q=twilight+zone+song&form=PRUSEN&mkt=en-us&httpsmsn=1&msnews=1&refig=596a86939ce24fb3b4c609ff49c3f095&sp=-1&ghc=1&pq=twilight+zone+song&sc=9-18&qs=n&sk=&cvid=596a86939ce24fb3b4c609ff49c3f095 Edited November 20, 2019 by Ron Bulman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 Nice one William. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 FBI Seeks Interview with CIA Whistleblower https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-seeks-interview-with-cia-whistleblower-121637359.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 The Atlantic: How My Grandfather Helped Bring Down the Nixon Presidency He was an ordinary businessman with no experience in journalism or politics, but he helped Woodward and Bernstein break a Watergate-era story. November 10, 2019 https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/11/my-grandfathers-role-nixons-impeachment-battle/601678/?utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3Uh9G5K6QsmoVtD62SLGQmGOMLusc7Cfo4qdK9iUsRRZYY0uboTHFwmlA [This article is relevant to what is happening today.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Vindman’s Lawyer Asks Fox News to Retract Espionage Allegation https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/20/us/vindmans-lawyer-asks-fox-news-to-retract-espionage-allegation.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) As Sondland testified, a misleading Ukraine story spread among conservatives on social media The article offered conservatives and Trump loyalists a welcome alternative to the day’s news. https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/sondland-testified-misleading-ukraine-story-spread-among-conservatives-social-media-n1087511 Anders Aslund, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council who researches kleptocracy in Russia, called the two Ukrainian members of parliament, Oleksandr Dubinsky and Andriy Derkach, who pushed the new allegations, “not credible.” “These two both are professional disinformers,” Aslund said. “This is generally known in Ukraine. This is not outstanding news. Anybody who’s anybody knows about these two. They are not credible.” </q> Edited November 21, 2019 by Cliff Varnell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 5 hours ago, Robert Wheeler said: Reuters now covering. Nothing to see here, move along. Do not be alarmed by the number of Twitter accounts being suspended when they tweet this link. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment-burisma/ukraine-widens-probe-against-burisma-founder-to-embezzlement-of-state-funds-idUSKBN1XU2N7 Don't worry, even though it may look like the Ukraine Impeachment plan was concocted to save Joe Biden, none of the players that told Schiff to "impeach Trump or else" give a rat's **s about Biden or his son. Your sources lack credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 From the article: Donald Trump has had his sanction removed. He no longer has the stroke to direct the public conversation towards whatever he wants it to be about. Because of that Russiagate is about to burst over the banks with the full force of three years of pent-up pressure behind it. It’s finally time for Russiagate. Russiagate starts now. https://www.madcowprod.com/2019/11/18/cartel-behind-20-ton-drug-move-in-philadelphia-to-skate-on-charges/?fbclid=IwAR3JL4OavYX_jgJngv_GKzbGesivChjsFj9wLldZMTFaUJARaOi0ifaiT1Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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