Allen Lowe

If you ask me, Ferrrll’s conservative leanings and general non-activism politically prove even more how much integrity she had. It’s like Liz Cheney who, despite having some political beliefs I find highly resistible, is to be respected, I think, for her personal honesty.

I actually posted something on Facebook right after the news came out. It’s an amazing parallel I think.

Enough wacky theories. As Pat pointed out, Ferrell’s documents have done more to advanced the course of assassination research than anything else. I keep getting tempted to read your book, but then you rehash the Zapruder nonsense and call out O’Donnell as being in on the plot. That’s the most bizarre idea of all. You’ve baked your credibility, which is a shame, as from what jim says there is some valuable stuff in your book.

It’s a good thing you’re not a lawyer; none of this proves your very desperate guess that she was thinking of a different building. I have to say, David, that time is wearing down your arguments, which get stranger and stranger. First you guess that something might’ve happened, and after a respectable period of time passes you change that into something that did happen, with even less information, figuring that people will forget the original ghost of an argument. So goes the entire lone nut brigade. As a relative outsider here, it’s somewhat fascinating for me to watch the deterioration of all the old, sad, lone nut theories.

It’s not the question of his citing numerous facts and reports; his opinion is like a run-on sentence, as though the sheer accumulation of space proves his point, which it does not. His method of doing it destroys any effectiveness he might otherwise have. Look at Jim DiEugenio, Pat Speer, Larry Hancock: the most knowledgeable of anyone here, none of them tries to bury the lead.

I’m not threatened I’m just bored to death by his filibustering. There are certain people who think the mere accumulation of “facts” equals truth. It does not.

I have been to many a parade and march and political rally in my 68 years, and not once have I referred to “fireworks.“ Or heard reference to such. Anyone who believes in this much coincidence or accident of expression is clearly deluding themselves

Yeah that’s great, the conditions were completely different and he used the rifle with a much improved scope. He also says any competent shooter could’ve done it, and we know from Oswald’s Marine buddies he was not a competent shooter. Not to mention that he shot the rifle at a range. Not in the actual conditions that LHO did. It works better if you actually read the articles for which you give us citations.

I seem to recall that Carlos Hathcock, the greatest sniper in US military history, recounted that they tried to set up an equivalent to the shooting, and that he was unable to replicate Oswald‘s work. Pretty damning.

Exactly David, and Ruth also thought that Oswald was going to kill that OTHER Kennedy. So she didn’t go down to the march since that other Kennedy was still in Washington DC, and his assassination wasn’t scheduled to happen until 1968.

How do you know? That’s the point. And by the way nobody I know would ever say 1 o’clock when they meant 115. Especially when a murder was involved.

Am I incorrect, as I recall reading that Peña was beaten up for revealing so much?

What? Can’t hear you.

David; no one’s listening.

I have to confess, and I should’ve credited him earlier, that I believe this was Duke Lane‘s thesis. It just made so much sense.

Truthfully the whole thing is ridiculous. As with the JFK assassination, Oswald had no motive and no reason to shoot Tippit. He had no history of violence. Not to mention the whole wallet fiasco. In my opinion the reason Tippit got shot was to pull everyone out of Dealey plaza and allow the actual assassins to get away and/or dispose of evidence on the scene, from a depository that was not sealed. Remember what Lavelle said? To them the JFK shooting was as insignificant as the murder of a black man (he used much worse language) but the killing of a cop was something else again. And we haven’t even begun to discuss Tippit’s strange movements in the immediate aftermath of the assassination.

It’s weird, Steve, but the handwriting on that bullet looks exactly like yours.

Pat I usually trust your judgement more than mine on these matters, but he called her twice. There’s no way someone would call twice about a job, speak to the same person both times, and not indicate either the job or the importance of a response. If Ruth didn’t indicate any interest or pass any information on, as she clearly didn’t, it’s more than just careless negligence. Everything else she did in these matters was conscientious and to the point.

There you go, Greg. Ruth did not recall getting the phone call, so she clearly didn’t pass the information onto Oswald, and we know Adams told her where he was from and why he was calling. Or is it like that Marina CIA/FBI mixup? He told her he was calling about a job, and she thought he was asking for a job. Yeah that’s the ticket.

let'd go to the Adams affadavit - he called TWICE and advised who he was and why he was calling. He was obviously talking to Ruth, whom you would have thought, if she really cared about LHO and his family, would have told LHO and given him a chance at this other (and, as we know, higher paying) job. She never told him. If you had been looking for work, and even if you found work, wouldn't you want to be advised that somebody else was offering you a job? Of course you would. But you wouldn't hear a thing if Ruth Paine was hiding the information. She knew about the offer, she took TWO calls about the other job, but she never said a word to LHO. Come on guys, use your heads and your logic. Why are LN'ers so intellectually dishonest?

do you guys ever actually read the stuff that you post? From Greg's post: "Adams called the Ruth Paine home in Irving asking for Lee. Ruth answered the phone and said Lee was not there. Adams left a message for Lee to call, so that he could tell Lee of the Trans Texas Airways job offer. " Hello? HELLO? ANYBODY HOME? (Besides Ruth, I mean).

Thanks Greg for, as usual, giving us info which proves the OPPOSITE of what you think it proves. Your method always saves me a lot of time. You have helped us establish that Adams spoke to Ruth and told her about the other, higher paying job. just please be sure I never hire you to defend ME. I hope you’ll continue working for the other side.

Jim, isn’t it true that Ruth heard of another possible job after Oswald was already accepted at the book depository, but never told Oswald about it? I wish she had been confronted about this in the film. If it is true, it’s pretty damning, since from what I’ve heard this other job paid more.

Forget it. That has nothing to do with what I said. Read my last post. Otherwise I give up.

Sandy what are you doing? You said this in your last post to me: “Your statement that I don't know what I'm talking about is merely your opinion. Which is fine -- believe what you want -- but you should make clear it's your opinion.“ did you read that last sentence after you wrote it? It’s directly contrary to what you just said: “Half the things I say about the JFK assassination are my opinion. Same is true with most people here. It's sort of understood..”