Kirk Ross Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 30 minutes ago, Kirk Gallaway said: I think Bernie will have a clear plurality, but will the Democrats close ranks behind Bernie? First, Other Kirk, you seem to do way more analysis than me. I'm just spit ballin' so I can't address all of your well made points, but, do they sound like they are going to? Doesn't sound like it to me. No analysis or facts behind my conjecture, but when I read Hillary's quoted "don't tempt me" and saw the book tour, my thought was she was looking for an entrance. When I saw Bloomberg announce his candidacy campaign I thought "that looks like it". But at the time I thought Biden would amount to more than he has and that would cut her off. That looks like a decreasing possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Ross Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, Robert Wheeler said: If Bernie wins vs. Trump, he’s got 6 months to live. Who's more cynical, you or Cliff? Tough call. Another hear attack? Maybe you're implying something more sinister. Like "heart attacked". Why do I always have to ask you to elaborate on your pregnant statements? Are you just trolling 😉? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, Robert Wheeler said: The MSM gets on the Bernie Bus only after he promises to pick Buttigieg as VP. No Buttigieg, no election time support. If Bernie wins vs. Trump, he’s got 6 months to live. I can't see Bernie Sanders ever putting Buttigieg on his ticket, if he manages to win the nomination. Judging from the Las Vegas debate, Bernie, obviously, despises Buttigieg-- views him as a corporate shill. As for these points about delegate counts, let's not forget that Obama and Hillary finished the 2008 primary race with roughly 50% each, and Hillary and Bernie split the 2016 delegates roughly 50-50. One big difference this year is that-- unlike Obama in 2008 and Hillary in 2016-- Bernie has NO support from the people who own the planet and both political parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 21 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said: I can't see Bernie Sanders ever putting Buttigieg on his ticket, if he manages to win the nomination. Judging from the Las Vegas debate, Bernie, obviously, despises Buttigieg-- views him as a corporate shill. As for these points about delegate counts, let's not forget that Obama and Hillary finished the 2008 primary race with roughly 50% each, and Hillary and Bernie split the 2016 delegates roughly 50-50. Hillary 2205 Bernie 1846 in earned delegates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) I just looked back at the Iowa caucus results. Because the awful slow pace of the Nevada results are outrageous and no one is screaming about it. Its amazing that almost one full day after, all the votes are not counted yet. Technically, Buttigieg won. According to the AP, he had the same vote percentage and one more delegate which is how that mess is measured. Whoever arranged for that, it worked by keeping Bernie's vote down in NH, which I think he would have won by about 8 more points if that had not happened. Once Perez is dumped, i would like to see 1.) All primaries as elections, and 2.) Iowa should never go first again Edited February 24, 2020 by James DiEugenio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Carter Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 7 hours ago, Douglas Caddy said: Daniel Estulin, described in the article as a 24-year veteran of Russian military counterintelligence , explains how Putin, Trump and Xi will after Trump's re-election meet in a Yalta-like setting to impose world-wide rule, in other words a world-wide dictatorship. I have always believed since Trump was elected that this was the ultimate goal. Now it is confirmed. That will never happen, not least because Trump does not control US foreign policy. His lone maverick initiative - warmer relations with Russia - was ruthlessly vetoed by a full-court press utilizing the Intelligence agencies, the Congressional opposition, and most of the mainstream media. While the now-abandoned policy has been routinely described as reflecting some sort of personal bond or acquiescence between Putin/Trump, it more accurately represented business interests who felt they could profit via the Russian Federation coalescing with a minority faction of foreign policy wonks who advocated a strategic relationship with Russia in the interest of containing China. The true bipartisan face of US foreign policy, representing the rather opaque power centre which calls the shots, was on display a couple of weeks ago in Germany at the Global Security Forum, where Nancy Pelosi presented a united front with Pompeo and Defence Secretary Esper. The US delegation was remarkably bellicose and aggressive, with Esper going so far as to cite the inevitability of a “high-intensity” military conflict with China sooner rather than later. Another vetoed Trump initiative was the domestic infrastructure program he made a deal of on the election night. This was scotched in a far quieter manner than the Russia policy, and all the money which might have been earmarked for it has instead been diverted to the military, as Trump noted during his recent State Of the Union speech. This suggests that even should Sanders emerge as the Democratic candidate against a brokered convention and attain the presidency, his domestic initiatives will likely be cancelled by the higher authority. That said, Sanders has a tough scrappy side to him which is admirable, and the establishment is clearly nervous that his policies are part of the public debate at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Robert Wheeler said: Is that before or after the Alien Invasion Doug? Was JFK trying to prevent Mao and Krushnev from teaming up with the Alien Presence to take over the World or was he looking to join them? Your Alien comments are the most interesting thing you have ever said, but you never say more. Why is that? T https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=blues+brothers+rawhide+song+youtube&view=detail&mid=6662873D425B18F29FE86662873D425B18F29FE8&FORM=VIRE0&ru=%2fsearch%3fq%3dblues%2bbrothers%2brawhide%2bsong%2byoutube%26form%3dPRUSEN%26mkt%3den-us%26httpsmsn%3d1%26msnews%3d1%26rec_search%3d1%26refig%3d9c84152b19544d0a87ed565566a33802%26sp%3d7%26ghc%3d1%26qs%3dAS%26pq%3dblues%2bbrothers%2brawhide%26sk%3dAS6%26sc%3d8-22%26cvid%3d9c84152b19544d0a87ed565566a33802 Full screen is always best. Edited February 24, 2020 by Ron Bulman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Gallaway Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Cliff Varnell said: Hillary 2205 Bernie 1846 in earned delegates. 2008-Obama 2,227 Clinton 1978 or 46.7% Can we stop about that silly caucus in Iowa? Iowa has a total of 56 delegates out of a total 4,366? 0r 1.3%!!!! It would be a total non story if it wasn't first. Those people are too corn fed to be experimenting with caucuses anyway. Edited February 24, 2020 by Kirk Gallaway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 22 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said: Full screen is always best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 5 hours ago, James DiEugenio said: BTW, Chris hit the big leagues on the back of Oliver Stone. First by attacking Nixon, and then by going after JFK indirectly. He tried to say that somehow Haldeman did not mean what he wrote with that referral to the Bay of Pigs in his book The Ends of Power. He did this by not consulting with the co author Joe DiMona. Gary Aguilar did, and showed just how bad Chris's research was. The book went through five drafts and Haldeman never asked to take it out. In 1996, he wrote a book called Kennedy and Nixon, which was a back handed attack on Stone since it clearly implied that somehow JFK and RMN had a lot in common and were actually chums:. Therefore Kennedy was not the liberal icon Stone made him out to be. This one was so bad the LA TImes had Oliver review it. Chris wrote a letter in reply. It began with, "Oliver stone doesn't like me." Question: Who does? ( I always found it odd that Tony Summers liked this book and referenced it in his biography of Nixon.) On his show, he takes numerous opportunities to attack those who deny the WR. And he sucks up to GOP thugs. He stood by Tom DeLay until the end, and even beyond. If he went, i have little hope that he would be replaced by someone better. Chris Hayes and O'Donnell are Ok, but they got rid of the person i thought was their best years ago. Melissa Harris Perry resigned in 2016 when they cut back her time during the primaries that year. So I don't have a lot of hope if this effort succeeds. But man, comparing a Jewish candidate's primary victory with the fall of France to the Third Reich? Shows how far they think they can go for propaganda purposes; clearly a scare tactic. But it also shows who they really are. Right on Jim Di! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 14 minutes ago, David Andrews said: A Swedish serenade, or Hot Shot Dawson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ness Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Robert Wheeler said: Is that before or after the Alien Invasion Doug? Was JFK trying to prevent Mao and Krushnev from teaming up with the Alien Presence to take over the World or was he looking to join them? Your Alien comments are the most interesting thing you have ever said, but you never say more. Why is that? Enough already Robert. You're milking a mouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) A Swedish serenade, or Hot Shot Dawson? "it's all showbiz." 'A 1941 Time Magazine entry suggests the song was probably a creative adaptation of an unpublished Missouri River song called "Hot Shot Dawson" ' [wiki] -- so perhaps it's a black-white work song. In the twentieth century, it had associations with military drill, probably more through being sung in movies rather than in reality. The applications suggest a twitting of the absurdity of pointless labor. Hot shot Dawson on a river boat, With his brawlin', sprawlin' sweetie... Hot Shot is an Irish pug, The riverboat is the Queen, His brawlin' lass is Bridget Cass, And Hot Shot is her dream. Edited February 24, 2020 by David Andrews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 57 minutes ago, Robert Wheeler said: I'm probably more cynical. Cliff tends to "mail in" his cynicism. Trump is a Facist, I'm a Facist, the guy who checks your receipt at Home Depot is a Facist. For someone who doesn’t read my posts Robert sure knows a lot about what I think. Trump is a Fascist who has declared unlimited power as he brings the Justice Dept, the intelligence community and the military under his personal control, to act in his personal interests. Robert Wheeler endorses this Fascist takeover with robust enthusiasm. If the clerk at Home Depot believes Trump is the State and thus above the law — he’s a Fascist. I don’t think it’s cynical to point out that Democratic-Socialists are proud to stand by the view that health care and education are human rights. But Fascists loathe getting called out for what they support — one man rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 The evidence doesn't back Democrats' panic that Bernie can't win https://www.axios.com/bernie-sanders-2020-presidential-election-chances-3459ae66-0aa0-4a53-97f8-732e8cbb5d9f.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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