JFKA Forum Journals of the Plague Year?

[James DiEugenio]

When cops are killing a thousand people a year, then yes, something has to be done that does not result in death and destruction.

One guy passes a counterfeit 20 dollar bill, one guy is celebrating his daughter's birthday and stalls a line at Wendys; and for this we get two deaths, a police station burned down,

a Wendy's up in flames, a police chief resigns, and mass protests in both cities.

So yes, i think the whole approach has to change. When this is all over try and estimate the total cost, in lives, injuries--including two people who lost an eye-- and property damage; over what?

In 1968, Nixon's Law and Order defeated Bobby Kennedy's Indy speech.

All they needed was a patsy.  His name this time was Sirhan.

And this was the end result.   Just ask John Ehrlichman.

Edited June 15, 2020 by James DiEugenio

[Cliff Varnell]

Steady on the Texas tip...

 

[Cliff Varnell]

6 hours ago, Ty Carpenter said:

Are you suggesting that we decriminalize driving under the influence?

Are you suggesting that we criminalize sleeping while parked?

[Ron Bulman]

8 hours ago, David Andrews said:

Video of the Rayshard Brooks killing in Atlanta.

The taser is bright yellow, there's no way to mistake it for a deadly weapon:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/rayshard-brooks-bodycam-video-shooting-wendys-atlanta.html

Don't shoot him for being drunk, resisting arrest and running away.  Follow him, call for backup.  I didn't see it in the video but elsewhere it say's he'd already been patted down, no weapon.  He can't kill, or harm you with the taser if you stay back and follow him.  The other cop's following both of you, he can assist.

[Ron Bulman]

I've been wondering about this in a general sense for a while.  Football and basketball in particular are face to face contact sports.  It's hard to imagine proper social distancing in a baseball dugout as well, the same for locker rooms for all three sports.  If the NBA or MLB come back in the middle of a resurgence it could have devastating results for the players, games, seasons and Leagues long term.  On a more immediate note with the NFL, Colleges, and High Schools about to start practices (some HS already have started limited) it's not only going to increase the potential for spread between players on a team but as scrimmages between teams and preseason games begin...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ezekiel-elliotts-positive-covid-19-test-is-a-harbinger-of-things-to-come/ar-BB15w4c4?li=BBnb7Kz

[David Andrews]

59 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

Don't shoot him for being drunk, resisting arrest and running away.  Follow him, call for backup.  I didn't see it in the video but elsewhere it say's he'd already been patted down, no weapon.  He can't kill, or harm you with the taser if you stay back and follow him.  The other cop's following both of you, he can assist.

Was he afraid of being put in handcuffs by police?  I can't imagine why...

Edited June 16, 2020 by David Andrews

[Kirk Gallaway]

He was searched, and he was found to have nothing else. Because that's what they do before cuffing someone.  

So he wasn't concealing anything else. They took the sobriety test, they have the results, they know where he and his family lives, they can impound his car. Whose holding all the cards? They don't have to run after him.

I remember as a teenager, there were incidents of kids being stopped while buzzed and then being providing an escort home. That was more prevalent in small towns, and in the suburbs. Then came MADD.

 

Edited June 16, 2020 by Kirk Gallaway

[James DiEugenio]

LOL, yeah he thought he would never see his daughter again.

[Sandy Larsen]

On 6/14/2020 at 9:13 AM, W. Niederhut said:

This is the ultimate Education Forum non sequitur, Ron, but, speaking of Texas, have you watched the outstanding Netflix documentary about ZZ Top?

I didn't realize that Billy Gibbons, Dusty Hill, and Frank Beard have now been together for over 50 years!

Those three old boys gotsta get paid for their years of hard work!  🤥

 

 

Filmed here in Utah, at the Bonneville Salt Flats. They're driving on salt.

 

[Ty Carpenter]

9 hours ago, Cliff Varnell said:

Are you suggesting that we criminalize sleeping while parked?

Yeah, it already is criminalized. He was passed out drunk in a drive thru. He obviously drove there drunk. The entire interaction seemed good and respectful from both sides until he resisted and stole the taser. Do you condone his actions leading up to the shooting?

[Cliff Varnell]

38 minutes ago, Ty Carpenter said:

Yeah, it already is criminalized. He was passed out drunk in a drive thru. He obviously drove there drunk.

Not obvious at all. He passed the field tests, he was cooperative and polite. He offered to walk over to his sister’s house. It was only until he refused to take a breath test and the cops wrongly decided to cuff him that the situation got out of control.

For all you know the guy may have had a medical condition.

38 minutes ago, Ty Carpenter said:

 

The entire interaction seemed good and respectful from both sides until he resisted and stole the taser. Do you condone his actions leading up to the shooting?

I condone his actions until the cops over reacted.

You think the police would have treated you that way?

[W. Niederhut]

Paul Krugman's latest...

We've been talking about this "flight to crap" phenomenon here for the past two months.

One thing Krugman mentioned that I hadn't heard about is that sports gamblers in the U.S. have, apparently, switched to day-trading stocks in recent weeks -- because of the COVID sports shut down.

Honestly, I've never seen such a radical disconnect between stock prices and economic fundamentals.

Market Madness in the Pandemic

Why are investors rushing to buy junk?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/15/opinion/coronavirus-stock-market.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

[Kirk Gallaway]

Wow, the excitement just keeps happening with Trump. Now something tabloidish to look forward to.

Mary Trump, the president’s niece, plans to release a book next month titled, “Too Much and Never Enough: How My Family Created the World’s Most Dangerous Man.” In the book, she says she was the source who provided The Times with Trump tax documents a few years ago.

But that years tax returns were nothing suspect, some thought the Trump side deliberately tried to bait the media to make premature judgments with them. 

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Yes William, the market is definitely crazy and swinging form up 800 down to up 100 and now up 500!

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Cliff, from what I've read they gave him, I assume a breathalyzer, and he registered   .108.

[Kirk Gallaway]

Here's a wiki on who Mary Trump 55, is.  A lot of family disputes regarding the Grandfather's  (Fred Trump the 1st) inheritance. On the 2016 election night she tweeted. "one of the worst nights of my life", "utterly horrifying". And in another tweet that night. "James Comey should be in jail."

https://wikibious.com/mary-trump/

Edited June 16, 2020 by Kirk Gallaway

[Joe Bauer]

At least they can't dismiss Trump's niece as some 3 kids by the age of 19, missing teeth meth addled, welfare subsidized, embarrassingly dysfunctional black sheep of the family type.

She's a well kept, well spoken, intelligent and attractive looking woman and her academic degree credentials are pretty impressive.

With a much more high level and intellectually wide ranging academic and study interest background ( English literature and psychology ) than her single subject only (business degree ) manic money minded uncle D. Trump.

Just in Mary Trump's tweets alone you can see the stark contrast of writing and communication skills versus her misspelling and proper structure mangling uncle Donnie.

The contrast is cringing.

Of course there's probably some bitter inheritance motivation behind Mary Trump's family secrets expose but it looks and sounds as if much more of it is also simple inherent right and wrong morality and judgement values.

Who could be drawn to study English Literature and not be more humanitarian concerned liberal in their belief system versus someone whose reading interests are "reportedly" no more inclined than Hitler speeches mixed with Power Of Positive Thinking, Think And Grow Rich books and Penthouse and Playboy centerfold bio's and pics?

I also sympathize with Mary Trump and her Brother Fred Trump III in their feeling of being cheated out of their grandfather's inheritance.

Their father was left out of the otherwise "equal inheritance share per sibling" wishes in Fred Trump's will, perhaps changed after Fred Trump II's alcoholic death at a fairly young ( 42 ) age.

Uncle Donnie thought this was just fine and that Fred Trump II's children should only get what the other grandchildren were left ... $200,000 each. 

While Donald Trump and his 3 siblings divided up $300 million?

Think about this Dicken's cruelly unfair settlement affair for a second or two.

Those other grandchildren all stood to benefit hugely more than a simple $200,000 bequeathment that they and Mary and Fred Trump III received simply because their entire direct family units were instantly endowed with great financial security wealth.

Those other grandchildren's lives would be forever very well off and secure as a result.

In Mary and Fred Trump III's case, it was the opposite.

My sense of basic fairness would have been to leave tragic young death Fred Trump II's equal sibling share to his fatherless children. In a trust of some sort?

If I heard the Trump family versus Mary and Fred Trump III will contesting case as a juror, I would have voted to give Mary and Fred Trump III their equal sibling share within a minute of deliberation.

I do not have any published documentation right in front of me but wasn't there some decently provable criminal law breaking actions involved in years of tax cheating regards the Trump family businesses reported in previous investigative pieces?

Donald Trump's business MO most of his career has reportedly been one of manipulating every tax break and bankruptcy clause to the point of cheating and with his many bankruptcies truly damaging thousands of others who invested in his numerous failed ventures.

There is "no debate" in the common knowledge assessment of Donald Trump as a "master of manipulation" of any financial and tax loophole he can find (even to the point of pushing criminal boundaries ) so it seems more logical to suspect the same mind set in his larger family's business mind set in the past as Mary Trump describes it imo.

 

Edited June 17, 2020 by Joe Bauer