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9 hours ago, Bob Ness said:

Highly recommend getting the booster asap. Omicron may in fact be a sign that the bug is weakening - hopefully. I guess the way these things work is that the virus mutates into weaker more contagious versions which is good and bad. Goes around more but starts looking more like a flu or weaker respiratory bug. That's what my authorities say anyway. Fingers crossed. We're so tired of it.

I personally know two people who have had heart issues now immediately after boosting, I know of ( friends family and friends friends) three people who have died of heart attacks within 48 hours of jabbing and two ( under 50) who have heart attacks but survived ( to be told they were dehydrated and anxious, seriously). Now there are football teams over here calling off games indefinitely because of the number of heart issues footballers are having. There have been 150 incidents of professional players having heart problems in the last 9 months. These are incidents on the pitch, think how many players have come forward to coaches and staff with issues we don't know about.  I genuinely mention this because I haven't seen it anywhere else on this thread and there are several very vocal pro boosters on here. Don't exercise hard within the beneficial functioning time of the boost/jab.

Studies seem to suggest that some age groups have a few weeks of increased protection against the super deadly covid, ignoring the massive depletion of T cells which opens you up to other infection of course. . During this period seems to be the danger period for loading your heart. Your heart will be damaged by the spike proteins anyway but the immediate weeks are most dangerous for a proper attack. 

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48 minutes ago, Jake Hammond said:

I personally know two people who have had heart issues now immediately after boosting, I know of ( friends family and friends friends) three people who have died of heart attacks within 48 hours of jabbing and two ( under 50) who have heart attacks but survived ( to be told they were dehydrated and anxious, seriously). Now there are football teams over here calling off games indefinitely because of the number of heart issues footballers are having. There have been 150 incidents of professional players having heart problems in the last 9 months. These are incidents on the pitch, think how many players have come forward to coaches and staff with issues we don't know about.  I genuinely mention this because I haven't seen it anywhere else on this thread and there are several very vocal pro boosters on here. Don't exercise hard within the beneficial functioning time of the boost/jab.

Studies seem to suggest that some age groups have a few weeks of increased protection against the super deadly covid, ignoring the massive depletion of T cells which opens you up to other infection of course. . During this period seems to be the danger period for loading your heart. Your heart will be damaged by the spike proteins anyway but the immediate weeks are most dangerous for a proper attack. 

Jake,

I didn't know this.  Thanks for the info.  Of course, those who wish to will discount this as anecdotal information.

My avoidance of the vaccine or government sponsored vaccines goes back to the 1950s when I was in elementary school.  I was forced to take polio shots which I would have avoided if I could.  Gerald Ford wanted to do another round of polio vaccines or at least he suggested it before the 1976 election.  It could be part of the reason Jimmy Carter won in 1976. 

Anyway, he was turned down on the new polio vaccine.  At the time that got me to thinking that there might have been something wrong with the polio shots we received in the 1950s.  Later information confirmed that.  By the 1980s there was very few things I thought the government was truthful about.  Today, that has changed to questioning everything!

It is a strange journey from believing Lyndon Johnson was the best president ever and who one day stand with the great presidents such as George Washington.  Yes, a strange journey when almost everything you knew has flipped into something else.

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23 hours ago, Jake Hammond said:

I personally know two people who have had heart issues now immediately after boosting, I know of ( friends family and friends friends) three people who have died of heart attacks within 48 hours of jabbing and two ( under 50) who have heart attacks but survived ( to be told they were dehydrated and anxious, seriously). Now there are football teams over here calling off games indefinitely because of the number of heart issues footballers are having. There have been 150 incidents of professional players having heart problems in the last 9 months. These are incidents on the pitch, think how many players have come forward to coaches and staff with issues we don't know about.  I genuinely mention this because I haven't seen it anywhere else on this thread and there are several very vocal pro boosters on here. Don't exercise hard within the beneficial functioning time of the boost/jab.

Studies seem to suggest that some age groups have a few weeks of increased protection against the super deadly covid, ignoring the massive depletion of T cells which opens you up to other infection of course. . During this period seems to be the danger period for loading your heart. Your heart will be damaged by the spike proteins anyway but the immediate weeks are most dangerous for a proper attack. 

Oh boy. More depressing news.

I already have heart problems. Have had for 14 years now. Afib with two ablasion procedures that didn't take. Mild heart attack last February with elevated Troponin levels. Main artery 80% blocked so stent inserted.

Over weight by 30 lbs. Am looking to get my booster shot any day now. Already had two Pfizer shots.

Better get my affairs in order I guess just in case. 

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     Surely, I can't be the only forum member here who has known people with post-polio syndromes, or with siblings and relatives who died of polio in the era before Salk and Sabin's vaccines.

      The ignorance about virology and vaccines nowadays is truly shocking.

      It's the Age of Misinformation.

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5 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:

     Surely, I can't be the only forum member here who has known people with post-polio syndromes, or with siblings and relatives who died of polio in the era before Salk and Sabin's vaccines.

      The ignorance about virology and vaccines nowadays is truly shocking.

      It's the Age of Misinformation.

Vaccine Theory and vaccine reality are two different things. The graphs showing the cases of the most vaccinated virus' over time all show that they were in rapid decline before vaccine introduction. If you'd like I'll dig out the graphs, I checked them myself with vaccine introduction dates. Changes in health care, sanitation, refrigeration, standards of living, disinfectant, soaps etc is what cumulatively got rid of health issues that vaccines ' solved' . Polio is the poster child of vaccines and even that only has an overlap with a decline in cases if you take the pilot test years as the start point. 

 Anyway, MRNa is something totally different and has been denied' vaccine' status previously by the patent office twice on the grounds that it isn't a vaccine, doesn't work and killed all its lab animals. Honestly, if it makes you feel better and safer to get it then do so. Placebos work and you may have no ill effects. Studies and data analysis now are showing that the jabs don't offer greater protection outside of the oldest and youngest people for a week or two - then its down hill after that and overall deaths are up, vaccinated people are dying at a higher rate ( when age corrected) than unvaccinated, Omnicrom is basically a weak cold and T cell production is virtually destroyed in the week after Jabbing takes place. 

 This is all aside from the heart issues people are having, the heart shows these issues up first for obvious reasons but long term will cause issues too. My friend went to her fathers funeral yesterday ( 71 but slim, fit and still cycling regularly) who died of a heart attack two days after the boost. No underlying conditions. The Funeral director literally said, " most of the deaths in the last month have been heart attacks with no underlying conditions, of all ages". There are signs on buses now in my area reading ' children have strokes too' - know how to react. I'm not joking and will happily share the images. 

 I know I've criticised this thread for political squabbling but I'm seeing people bullying others into taking an infinite amount of experimental jabs for a virus which has been less deadly than driving ( at my mileage and age) for the last two years. Happy to post images and graphs but I've also likened this thread to twitter or reddit before so I'd be slightly hypocritical. 

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2 hours ago, Jake Hammond said:

Vaccine Theory and vaccine reality are two different things. The graphs showing the cases of the most vaccinated virus' over time all show that they were in rapid decline before vaccine introduction. If you'd like I'll dig out the graphs, I checked them myself with vaccine introduction dates. Changes in health care, sanitation, refrigeration, standards of living, disinfectant, soaps etc is what cumulatively got rid of health issues that vaccines ' solved' . Polio is the poster child of vaccines and even that only has an overlap with a decline in cases if you take the pilot test years as the start point. 

 Anyway, MRNa is something totally different and has been denied' vaccine' status previously by the patent office twice on the grounds that it isn't a vaccine, doesn't work and killed all its lab animals. Honestly, if it makes you feel better and safer to get it then do so. Placebos work and you may have no ill effects. Studies and data analysis now are showing that the jabs don't offer greater protection outside of the oldest and youngest people for a week or two - then its down hill after that and overall deaths are up, vaccinated people are dying at a higher rate ( when age corrected) than unvaccinated, Omnicrom is basically a weak cold and T cell production is virtually destroyed in the week after Jabbing takes place. 

 This is all aside from the heart issues people are having, the heart shows these issues up first for obvious reasons but long term will cause issues too. My friend went to her fathers funeral yesterday ( 71 but slim, fit and still cycling regularly) who died of a heart attack two days after the boost. No underlying conditions. The Funeral director literally said, " most of the deaths in the last month have been heart attacks with no underlying conditions, of all ages". There are signs on buses now in my area reading ' children have strokes too' - know how to react. I'm not joking and will happily share the images. 

 I know I've criticised this thread for political squabbling but I'm seeing people bullying others into taking an infinite amount of experimental jabs for a virus which has been less deadly than driving ( at my mileage and age) for the last two years. Happy to post images and graphs but I've also likened this thread to twitter or reddit before so I'd be slightly hypocritical. 

Newsflash, Jake.  I have a medical degree from the #1 ranked medical school in the U.S.

Who told you that sanitation and disinfectants prevented viral epidemics?

Do you know that 99% of recent COVID deaths in the U.S. have occurred in the unvaccinated?

Another question.  How would you go about determining whether reported adverse events following vaccines were, in fact, caused by the vaccines?

Any clue?

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1 hour ago, W. Niederhut said:

Newsflash, Jake.  I have a medical degree from the #1 ranked medical school in the U.S.

Who told you that sanitation and disinfectants prevented viral epidemics?

Do you know that 99% of recent COVID deaths in the U.S. have occurred in the unvaccinated?

Another question.  How would you go about determining whether reported adverse events following vaccines were, in fact, caused by the vaccines?

Any clue?

I'm happy to upload the graphs tomorrow. Newsflash. Whooping cough, diphtheria, typhoid , measles, scarlet fever..... all in a strong and steady decline way before vax intro and the intro didn't effect that decline. Its pretty simple.... find the graph, find the date of vax intro. , stare at screen. 

-  Did you know that , at least in the UK , you are now classed as unvaccinated if you haven't had the latest booster and if you die within two weeks of the jab you are also ' unvaccinated'. Recently a professor of mathematics ( risk analysis specialism) at Queens college conducted a study and found that even when not taking into account the two week 'unvax' classification absolute death figures for unvaxed are lower than vaxed when all potential variables are corrected. I'd send the link to the interview on YouTube but YT have pulled it obviously and I can't find it on google, shock horror. 

 Seen the latest Joe Rogan with Dr. Peter McCullough ? , seen anything by Dr David Martin recently ( 'manufactured illusion' is mind blowing   ? Dr. Dr Charles Hoffe ? Dr. Michael Yeadon ? The Dr. who invented Mrna technology ?

' adverse events' - please...heart attacks are through the roof and they're happening post booster to healthy people of all ages. I literally have two healthy fit friends who now have myocarditis. The Queens college study worked out that there were gluts of deaths within the 14 days of jabbing hidden by the categorisation of ' unvaxed'. If you have a medical degree you should really be using your gravitas for good and finding out the truth. 

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1 hour ago, Jake Hammond said:

I'm happy to upload the graphs tomorrow. Newsflash. Whooping cough, diphtheria, typhoid , measles, scarlet fever..... all in a strong and steady decline way before vax intro and the intro didn't effect that decline. Its pretty simple.... find the graph, find the date of vax intro. , stare at screen. 

-  Did you know that , at least in the UK , you are now classed as unvaccinated if you haven't had the latest booster and if you die within two weeks of the jab you are also ' unvaccinated'. Recently a professor of mathematics ( risk analysis specialism) at Queens college conducted a study and found that even when not taking into account the two week 'unvax' classification absolute death figures for unvaxed are lower than vaxed when all potential variables are corrected. I'd send the link to the interview on YouTube but YT have pulled it obviously and I can't find it on google, shock horror. 

 Seen the latest Joe Rogan with Dr. Peter McCullough ? , seen anything by Dr David Martin recently ( 'manufactured illusion' is mind blowing   ? Dr. Dr Charles Hoffe ? Dr. Michael Yeadon ? The Dr. who invented Mrna technology ?

' adverse events' - please...heart attacks are through the roof and they're happening post booster to healthy people of all ages. I literally have two healthy fit friends who now have myocarditis. The Queens college study worked out that there were gluts of deaths within the 14 days of jabbing hidden by the categorisation of ' unvaxed'. If you have a medical degree you should really be using your gravitas for good and finding out the truth. 

Jake,

       You're a poster child for the old adage that, "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."

       You are presenting no credible, controlled data here.

       In comparison with your anecdotal anti-vax disinformation, here's a very recent, controlled, large scale study from your own British Medical Journal.  It's a huge sample population of roughly 5,000,000 young Danes.

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj-2021-068665

       Guess what the Danish data shows about myocarditis?

       1.4 of every 100,000 young Danish people vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine developed myocarditis-- 48 people out of roughly 3,500,000 vaccinated, or 1 in 73,000.

       So, your two friends who allegedly developed heart problems from a vaccine were 2 out of roughly 150,000 who didn't.

       How do you like those odds?

       Incidentally, scarlet fever and typhoid fever are caused by Streptococci and Salmonella Typhi bacteria, respectively -- treatable with antibiotics.  My maternal grandmother died of Strep sepsis in 1926, just a few years before Fleming discovered penicillin. 

       Viruses are more difficult to kill than bacteria.

       Until recently in history, we had limited options for treating viral infections.

       So, vaccines for viral infections have been a true Godsend for humanity.  Anyone who grew up in the 1940s and 50s knows that to be true in the case of polio myelitis-- a truly devastating pathogen that kills motor neuron anterior horn cells, causing often irreversible paralysis.

       Perhaps the greatest vaccine success story in history is the original one-- Jenner's discovery of a vaccine for (cowpox) smallpox, in 1796.

      Did you know that many indigenous Native American populations were wiped out by smallpox in the pre-vaccine era -- along with millions of people throughout world history?

     Try reading something useful, for a change.

History of smallpox

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_smallpox

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1 hour ago, W. Niederhut said:

       1.4 of every 100,000 young Danish people vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine developed myocarditis-- 48 people out of roughly 3,500,000 vaccinated, or 1 in 73,000.

       So, your two friends who allegedly developed heart problems from a vaccine were 2 out of roughly 150,000 who didn't.

 

And I'm curious. How many were vulnerable to it anyway? Out of 100,000 how many would have developed it whether they got the vaxx or not? How many had underlying cardiovascular abnormalities? Let's see. Here's an idea:

The incidence of myocarditis is approximately 1.5 million cases worldwide per year. Incidence is usually estimated between 10 to 20 cases per 100,000 persons. The overall incidence is unknown and probably underdiagnosed.  In the United States, the frequency of myocarditis is difficult to ascertain as many cases are subclinical. In community-based populations, the prevalence and outcomes of myocarditis are unknown as epidemiologic studies suggest that the majority of Coxsackie B virus infections, an important cause of myocarditis are subclinical, thus following a benign course.

According to some estimates, 1% to 5% of all patients with acute viral infections may involve the myocardium.

The majority of patients are young and healthy. Individuals who are susceptible include children, pregnant women and those who are immunocompromised.

Here's another from NIH in 2009 on the troubling incidence of athletes developing MC:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19734497/

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8 hours ago, John Butler said:

Jake,

I didn't know this.  Thanks for the info.  Of course, those who wish to will discount this as anecdotal information.

My avoidance of the vaccine or government sponsored vaccines goes back to the 1950s when I was in elementary school.  I was forced to take polio shots which I would have avoided if I could.  Gerald Ford wanted to do another round of polio vaccines or at least he suggested it before the 1976 election.  It could be part of the reason Jimmy Carter won in 1976. 

Anyway, he was turned down on the new polio vaccine.  At the time that got me to thinking that there might have been something wrong with the polio shots we received in the 1950s.  Later information confirmed that.  By the 1980s there was very few things I thought the government was truthful about.  Today, that has changed to questioning everything!

It is a strange journey from believing Lyndon Johnson was the best president ever and who one day stand with the great presidents such as George Washington.  Yes, a strange journey when almost everything you knew has flipped into something else.

What Jake is saying is a reflection of what is happening in the UK too. Everybody knows multiple people with serious adverse reactions.
Media silent .... 

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