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27 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

The fight in Washington is over who controls the selling, and who is the honored buyer. 

Ben - care to expand on that a bit? 
 

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1 hour ago, Paul Brancato said:

Ben - care to expand on that a bit? 
 

Hey Paul, nice to hear from you. 

I hate to be so cynical, but both establishment parties are deeply embedded into networks of sponsors, the media and, of course, the global security state. 

So who gets to direct the largesse of federal outlays, the capricious application of taxes, and also control the vast regulatory state and foreign-military policy apparatus?

There is an old saying: "First you have a movement, or a real cause. Then the movement becomes politics. Then politics becomes a business. At last, the business becomes a racket."

Washington long ago entered the racket stage.

I am not here to defend Trump, or Trump's ugliest backers.  Trump is not defensible as a person. 

But the mainstream media and establishment Washington had their long knives out for Trump from before the day he set foot in the White House.  

The Donks and 'Phants fight for control of the treasures, whether against each other or Trump. 

The whole Russiagate story is a cotton-candy confection, a nutritionless gossamer of fantasy that melts away into nothing.

And the Wuhan lab leak theory was "debunked"? Really? 

I could go on.  The narrative was what mattered, not the reality. 

 

 

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9 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

The whole Russiagate story is a cotton-candy confection, a nutritionless gossamer of fantasy that melts away into nothing.
 

 

 

Ben,

Geez... way to completely ignore the data.

You, obviously, need to do some remedial reading on the subject of Trump's longstanding involvement with the Russian mafia, Putin, and Putin's Russian oligarchs.

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-cultivating-trump-asset-40-years-says-ex-kgb-spy-2021-1?op=1

Russ Baker published a detailed expose on the subject in March of 2017, more than a year before Mueller was ever appointed by Rosenstein to investigate Trump's obstruction of the investigation of Michael Flynn's December 2016 phone calls to Sergei Lavrov.

https://whowhatwhy.org/politics/government-integrity/fbi-cant-tell-trump-russia/

Craig Unger and others published detailed pieces on the subject.

https://www.vox.com/world/2018/9/12/17764132/trump-fbi-russia-new-york-times-craig-unger

 

Are you aware that Felix Sater boasted in 2015 that Putin was planning to install Trump in the White House?

And how do you explain Trump's shocking 2018 Helsinki press conference with Putin?

It was so bad that even George F. Will accused Trump of treason.

https://www.daily-times.com/story/opinion/columnists/2018/07/19/our-america-first-president-put-america-last-helsinki/798638002/

 

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10 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

Ben,

Geez... way to completely ignore the data.

You, obviously, need to do some remedial reading on the subject of Trump's longstanding involvement with the Russian mafia, Putin, and Putin's Russian oligarchs.

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-cultivating-trump-asset-40-years-says-ex-kgb-spy-2021-1?op=1

Russ Baker published a detailed expose on the subject in March of 2017, more than a year before Mueller was ever appointed by Rosenstein to investigate Trump's obstruction of the investigation of Michael Flynn's December 2016 phone calls to Sergei Lavrov.

https://whowhatwhy.org/politics/government-integrity/fbi-cant-tell-trump-russia/

Craig Unger and others published detailed pieces on the subject.

https://www.vox.com/world/2018/9/12/17764132/trump-fbi-russia-new-york-times-craig-unger

 

Are you aware that Felix Sater boasted in 2015 that Putin was planning to install Trump in the White House?

And how do you explain Trump's shocking 2018 Helsinki press conference with Putin?

It was so bad that even George F. Will accused Trump of treason.

https://www.daily-times.com/story/opinion/columnists/2018/07/19/our-america-first-president-put-america-last-helsinki/798638002/

 

W.-

The "guilt by association" meme is older than either of us. Phone calls?  Meetings? 

As I said, Trump the person is indefensible.

But the idea of peaceful co-existence with Russia, or meeting with Russians, or even tacit co-operation with Russia on a transactional basis, is certainly defensible. (BTW, I think Putin is a thug). 

Trump seems to have grasped that the global security state-media blob wants an enemy, and that enemy is Russia. But being Trump, he bungled and garbled everything, stepped squarely into every booby-trap and road-turd possible. If Reagan was the teflon President, Trump was the velcro President. 

As a digression (but not really, stay with me), China's GDP is about seven times as large as Russia's, and their population is about 13 times the size of Russia's. China is the largest buyer of commodities on the planet, and everyday exhibits manufacturing prowess. 

China is run by overt communists, the CCP, and getting more commie by the day, and now claims the whole South China Sea as Beijing's, along with parts of India and Taiwan. 

Russia is run by klepto-capitalists, the kind the US power elites usually makes alliance with, and has a shrinking population, and a one-trick-pony economy of selling oil. 

But...until Trump, China was the good guys and Russia the dangerous bad guys. Many still see it that way. 

How did this happen? How did the Russian capitalist nation become the enemy, and a Chinese communist nation the good guys? 

Why? BlackRock, WalMart, Apple, GM, Disney, the NBA et al are tight with the CCP, using their manufacturing platform, or investing in China land, or hoping to sell entertainment product. 

Trump endangered that relationship. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/17/technology/apple-china-privacy-censorship.html

And now the Donks are calling for more internet censorship. Russia meddled in the election, and the kooks are posting untruths. Anyone who opposes the Donks is a Moscow stooge or a racist. 

W.-  We just have different views on this matter. That's OK.  I thought George Will's column was establishment PR, and an angry shout from the national security state.  Oh gee, do you suppose Will carries water for the establishment right? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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What would JfK think? What would he do?

I attended a Zoom conference the other night and cyber threats. I think it’s obvious that nation states can no longer rely on physical muscle to be top dog. There can no longer be a top dog when state or non state actors can hack into nuclear power lands and weapons facilities. Time to make peace. I never liked Red baiting. I don’t think of China as the Yellow Menace. Are we still at odds with Communism? Do we dare to think we sit on moral high ground? 

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2 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

What would JfK think? What would he do?

I attended a Zoom conference the other night and cyber threats. I think it’s obvious that nation states can no longer rely on physical muscle to be top dog. There can no longer be a top dog when state or non state actors can hack into nuclear power lands and weapons facilities. Time to make peace. I never liked Red baiting. I don’t think of China as the Yellow Menace. Are we still at odds with Communism? Do we dare to think we sit on moral high ground? 

Paul B:

What moral high ground? 

The CCP has thrown a Hong Kong publisher, Jimmy Lai, into prison and left him there. For publishing newspapers. Google it. 

Did Apple announce it would back out of China?  BlackRock? The NBA? HSBC?

I happen to prefer largely free-market systems, and democracy.

That said, one weakness of capitalism is that it is an amoral system (not immoral, but amoral). 

If Apple makes money working with commie dictators, then they will. But problems can arise when amoral multinationals control US foreign-military policy.  As they do. 

This obvious moral failing is smoothed over 1,000 times everyday by corporate PR, or the painting of "Black Lives Matter" on NBA courts. Apple's PR is impressive--in image-making, they are against the 1984 state. Except in real life, not in China and Hong Kong. 

To be sure, many nuances to the issue, and there would be no winners in a nuclear war. 

That Trump threatened and upended the parts of the cozy relationship between US capitalists and Beijing is a fascinating tale. 

My guess is JFK would be a non-interventionist in general, and would have counseled all along avoiding too much commercial dependence on foreign nations, as dependence breeds entanglements. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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No moral high ground, even though we claim it all the time in America. But the main point I was trying to make is the absolute futility of adversarial politics in an age where software is everything. The only way out for humanity is to make peace, and I am well aware of what a difficult task that would be. But we don’t even try, and until we do there is less hope every day. 
 

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On 10/14/2021 at 12:20 AM, Kirk Gallaway said:

News Flash!

The head of the Republican Party, Donald Trump has declared that all Republicans should sit out the 2022 and 2024 election until the election fraud of 2020 is solved!

And welcome news. But somehow I think Lindsay Graham and Mitch Mac Connel at last won't be blindly following his lead on this one. With about all other candidates , this would be thoroughly discrediting.But to Trump's devotees they may just admire his courage to overtake the Republican Party.I would expect there were no advisors on this decision. Is this Georgia revisited? .

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-tells-republicans-not-to-vote-in-2022-or-2024

And just to be clear, this isn't a joke!

https://www.cbs17.com/news/political-news/trump-republicans-will-not-be-voting-if-2020-fraud-isnt-solved/

I've been on some political sites of people speculating about Trump's motives. For example, Some will say Trump has it in mind to stop voters from voting so once they have no recourse at the ballot box, (that they've denied themselves by following Trump)  that the end result will be a violent revolution. But Trump doesn't think that far. The truth is more Republicans think the 2020  election was stolen from Trump (60%) than they  want Trump to be the next President,( 44%). Though 2/3rds of them want Trump to head the party. This is why governors Abbot and De Santis are ruthlessly using their executive powers to make a national name for themselves, and could be why Trump is making a last ditch push for relevance before a projected fading.
 
 
This isn't Trumps "3 dimensional chess" (that never existed) This is, what it appears, a power play to blackmail the old GOP leadership to overthrow the 2020 election. It's a stupid move because the reason so many in the GOP pledge support for Trump even though privately they say they don't like him is because the most important thing of all to them is that they are re elected to office. They know their efforts to overturn 2020 can no longer work. So Trump is effectively denying them the office, which is the only reason they're supporting him in the first place. The only thing that can salvage Trump now, is Mac Connell and Mac Carthy talking him out of it. That's not impossible because as we've seen with 1/6, they will forgive him for anything. But if Trump holds to this, his Presidential aspirations are dead!
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33 minutes ago, David Andrews said:

Eric Clapton's anti-vax stance has apparently struck a nerve, hence this totalitarian-style tear-down in the MSM:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/how-the-legendary-eric-clapton-destroyed-his-own-legacy/ar-AAPzLdM?li=BBnbfcL

NBC News

 

How the legendary Eric Clapton destroyed his own legacy

As an old Eric Clapton fan, I'm disappointed with his recent nonsense.

He's a great artist, but Clapton has never been a paragon of mental health or sound judgment.  He was sired by a Canadian Air Force pilot on the eve of D-Day and never knew his father.  His biological mother abandoned him, and he was raised by his maternal grandmother and step grandfather.

He struggled with severe addictions for many years, and is, frankly, fortunate to be alive today.

Ben & Paul-- As for Russiagate... Geez... It isn't "red-baiting" to deplore Trump's status as a Russian asset.

Trump has betrayed his country in so many ways.  It's still happening. 

If anything, I'm a Russophile-- though no admirer of the Soviet Union-- and hardly a fan of U.S./NATO imperialism during the past 40 years.   At least Putin saved Syria from NATO and the CIA.

Kirk -- Had to laugh at your reference to Trump not playing 3-D chess.  I doubt the guy can even play checkers.

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7 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Paul B:

What moral high ground? 

The CCP has thrown a Hong Kong publisher, Jimmy Lai, into prison and left him there. For publishing newspapers. Google it. 

 

Jimmy Lai was arrested and jailed because he was using his newspaper - Apple Daily - to support what Chinese officials came to understand as a “color revolution” attempt in Hong Kong. Beyond directly supporting the protest movement through the reportorial and editorial functions of the paper, the employees and facilities were involved in direct participation with the relatively sophisticated infrastructure of social media supporting the protesters. Lai also had met with high level American officials - up the chain to Pence - to receive endorsement and encouragement for the protest events, as well as providing local support towards the US Congress’ legislation known as the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act, which represented direct meddling in China’s internal affairs by a foreign power.

Should the issue of “commie dictators” or evil totalitarians arise, Lai’s travails could be usefully compared to those of Julian Assange, who continues incarceration in a maximum security prison on an extradition warrant which had previously been turned down and is on appeal. Lai’s legal problems are relatively obvious and in keeping with China’s laws, while Assange’s persecution has been opaque and unusual from the start, and marked by a high level of openly retributive motive from western intelligence and security operatives and leadership.

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Re:Clapton , it is a bit of a hit piece. I think the people who always loved Clapton will still listen to him. After all, he didn't molest young children. But he's always had a big ego and a history of saying off the wall stuff.  Nobody should listen to him about matters of covid. He's just a spoiled rock star. But unfortunately some people do.

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2 hours ago, David Andrews said:

A bit presumptive to assume that his family troubles affected his "mental health."  Don't think I'll be making an appointment if you're willing to diagnose someone you don't know.  Surprisingly reactive response, worthy of the MSM.

Huh, David?

Developmental history and family dynamics have no impact on mental health?

Surely, you jest... 🤥

As for presumptuousness, why do you presume that I don't "know" Eric Clapton, after studying his autobiography?  There's a lot of psychological data there-- both conscious and unconscious.

For example, my perception is that Clapton was quite attached to his maternal grandmother, and was an erstwhile "Oedipal victor"-- which partly explains his relationship with George Harrison's ex-wife, Patti Boyd.  He and Harrison were good friends when Clapton aggressively wooed Boyd.  Then, after Clapton married Boyd, he lost interest in her.

It was the Oedipal triangle that he found compelling.

Psychoanalytically-trained psychiatrists and psychologists have written interesting analyses of historical, and contemporary, figures, based on available biographical material.

Erik Erikson and the British psychoanalyst Anthony Storr are two pioneers of this kind of "psycho-history." 

As for contemporary figures, Donald Trump has been analyzed in great detail since 2016 by a number of board-certified American psychiatrists, including me.

In fact, many of the most concerned critics of Trump since 2016 have been mental health professionals.

The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President

http://jaapl.org/content/46/2/267

 

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