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2 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

Jake,

       You're a poster child for the old adage that, "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."

       You are presenting no credible, controlled data here.

       In comparison with your anecdotal anti-vax disinformation, here's a very recent, controlled, large scale study from your own British Medical Journal.  It's a huge sample population of roughly 5,000,000 young Danes.

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj-2021-068665

       Guess what the Danish data shows about myocarditis?

       1.4 of every 100,000 young Danish people vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine developed myocarditis-- 48 people out of roughly 3,500,000 vaccinated, or 1 in 73,000.

       So, your two friends who allegedly developed heart problems from a vaccine were 2 out of roughly 150,000 who didn't.

       How do you like those odds?

       Incidentally, scarlet fever and typhoid fever are caused by Streptococci and Salmonella Typhi bacteria, respectively -- treatable with antibiotics.  My maternal grandmother died of Strep sepsis in 1926, just a few years before Fleming discovered penicillin. 

       Viruses are more difficult to kill than bacteria.

       Until recently in history, we had limited options for treating viral infections.

       So, vaccines for viral infections have been a true Godsend for humanity.  Anyone who grew up in the 1940s and 50s knows that to be true in the case of polio myelitis-- a truly devastating pathogen that kills motor neuron anterior horn cells, causing often irreversible paralysis.

       Perhaps the greatest vaccine success story in history is the original one-- Jenner's discovery of a vaccine for (cowpox) smallpox, in 1796.

      Did you know that many indigenous Native American populations were wiped out by smallpox in the pre-vaccine era -- along with millions of people throughout world history?

     Try reading something useful, for a change.

History of smallpox

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_smallpox

      Does anyone else around here find it annoying when someone simply ignores a detailed rebuttal by re-posting what was rebutted?

      In this case, I just took time to explain why Jake's friends with alleged vaccine-induced myocarditis would, apparently, be 2 cases out of 150,000 non-cases -- based on the Danish study at BMJ.  Quite an unusual coincidence.

      

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Interesting headlines, see below. 

I still wonder if a Western democracy can "beat" a respiratory virus. The UK just posted all-time high record new C19 infection rates.  How many years you want to go with this? 

Joe Biden warns of ‘winter of death’ for the unvaccinated, with Omicron ‘here now and spreading’

NFL postpones three Week 15 games due to COVID-19 surge

 

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38 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Interesting headlines, see below. 

I still wonder if a Western democracy can "beat" a respiratory virus. The UK just posted all-time high record new C19 infection rates.  How many years you want to go with this?

Ben,

     Ask the vaccine refusers.

     We can't successfully manage a deadly viral pandemic in a society where a substantial percentage of the population is either too ignorant or too beguiled by ubiquitous disinformation to cooperate with necessary public health measures, including vaccination.  Under such circumstances, the virus will continue to replicate and mutate.

     How did we eradicate smallpox and polio in the U.S.?

    The evidence indicates that the COVID vaccines-- with appropriate boosters-- are protective against Omicron (and Delta.)  So, if a new wave of COVID mortality and morbidity is coming, it will primarily afflict the unvaccinated.  Biden is correct.

    Consider that over 99% of U.S. COVID deaths in recent months occurred in unvaccinated people-- with significantly elevated death rates in counties that voted for Trump.

     How do you explain that?

     Unfortunately, during the past 20 months, Trump and his Fox propagandists have succeeded in turning COVID denial-ism and vaccine refusal into matters of GOP identity politics.

      There seems to be an underlying, vague notion in the Trump MAGA-verse that the 2020 COVID pandemic was some sort of hoax, perpetrated to undermine Trump's presidency.

       Now that Trump is out of office, it has morphed into irrational vaccine paranoia and blaming Biden for the fact that Trump voters don't want to get vaccinated or wear masks.

   

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Never try to outsmart Darwin;  all the people that died from infection before antibiotics also had an immune system...

Wasn't quite enough, was it?

 

Paul- I definitely recommend the booster; the antibodies produced by your MRNA vaccine start to wane 5 months after the second shot, and disappear almost entirely by month 7.  And that booster not only ups your ABs levels, but gives another nice kick to your body's B and T cells.

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9 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

Jake,

       You're a poster child for the old adage that, "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."

       You are presenting no credible, controlled data here.

       In comparison with your anecdotal anti-vax disinformation, here's a very recent, controlled, large scale study from your own British Medical Journal.  It's a huge sample population of roughly 5,000,000 young Danes.

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj-2021-068665

       Guess what the Danish data shows about myocarditis?

       1.4 of every 100,000 young Danish people vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine developed myocarditis-- 48 people out of roughly 3,500,000 vaccinated, or 1 in 73,000.

       So, your two friends who allegedly developed heart problems from a vaccine were 2 out of roughly 150,000 who didn't.

       How do you like those odds?

       Incidentally, scarlet fever and typhoid fever are caused by Streptococci and Salmonella Typhi bacteria, respectively -- treatable with antibiotics.  My maternal grandmother died of Strep sepsis in 1926, just a few years before Fleming discovered penicillin. 

       Viruses are more difficult to kill than bacteria.

       Until recently in history, we had limited options for treating viral infections.

       So, vaccines for viral infections have been a true Godsend for humanity.  Anyone who grew up in the 1940s and 50s knows that to be true in the case of polio myelitis-- a truly devastating pathogen that kills motor neuron anterior horn cells, causing often irreversible paralysis.

       Perhaps the greatest vaccine success story in history is the original one-- Jenner's discovery of a vaccine for (cowpox) smallpox, in 1796.

      Did you know that many indigenous Native American populations were wiped out by smallpox in the pre-vaccine era -- along with millions of people throughout world history?

     Try reading something useful, for a change.

History of smallpox

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_smallpox

I’ll upload a ton of hard data and studies later but I don’t have a whole load of time . I can link to loads of scientists and doctors who are very much against mRNA . If you do nothing else I suggest very strongly you  watch ‘ manufactured illusion’ , it gives the whole history of Covid 19 and really is eye opening . You won’t of course but I can at least try . 
You are referring to the dunning Kruger effect, or in modern parlance - the mid wit meme . It suggests that the most dangerous people are the ones convinced that they are an authority because they are of above average intelligence and knowledge . The issue is that this ignorance is total and complete and they cannot reason themselves out of their rigid self built narratives. 
…. I forgot to add water chlorination in to the reasons for decline in common Illnesses. I’ve found the graphs now and will upload over the weekend along with the vaccine introduction dates and other key dates such as mandatory health care and chlorination . Then we’ll look at the evidence. 

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5 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

Ben,

     Ask the vaccine refusers.

     We can't successfully manage a deadly viral pandemic in a society where a substantial percentage of the population is either too ignorant or too beguiled by ubiquitous disinformation to cooperate with necessary public health measures, including vaccination.  Under such circumstances, the virus will continue to replicate and mutate.

     How did we eradicate smallpox and polio in the U.S.?

    The evidence indicates that the COVID vaccines-- with appropriate boosters-- are protective against Omicron (and Delta.)  So, if a new wave of COVID mortality and morbidity is coming, it will primarily afflict the unvaccinated.  Biden is correct.

    Consider that over 99% of U.S. COVID deaths in recent months occurred in unvaccinated people-- with significantly elevated death rates in counties that voted for Trump.

     How do you explain that?

     Unfortunately, during the past 20 months, Trump and his Fox propagandists have succeeded in turning COVID denial-ism and vaccine refusal into matters of GOP identity politics.

      There seems to be an underlying, vague notion in the Trump MAGA-verse that the 2020 COVID pandemic was some sort of hoax, perpetrated to undermine Trump's presidency.

       Now that Trump is out of office, it has morphed into irrational vaccine paranoia and blaming Biden for the fact that Trump voters don't want to get vaccinated or wear masks.

   

Quick question for you and all like you … how many boosters will you have before you wake up ? 
What frequency will this be ? 
More importantly, how long will you keep supporting the deliberate destruction of our economy, way of life, increased suicides, increases cancer victims etc…. For the unnecessary ‘ treatment’ of a coronavirus variant which is now weaker than a common cold  ?  
100 boosters ? 1 a week? Indefinite lockdowns ? 
 

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5 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

Ben,

     Ask the vaccine refusers.

     We can't successfully manage a deadly viral pandemic in a society where a substantial percentage of the population is either too ignorant or too beguiled by ubiquitous disinformation to cooperate with necessary public health measures, including vaccination.  Under such circumstances, the virus will continue to replicate and mutate.

     How did we eradicate smallpox and polio in the U.S.?

    The evidence indicates that the COVID vaccines-- with appropriate boosters-- are protective against Omicron (and Delta.)  So, if a new wave of COVID mortality and morbidity is coming, it will primarily afflict the unvaccinated.  Biden is correct.

    Consider that over 99% of U.S. COVID deaths in recent months occurred in unvaccinated people-- with significantly elevated death rates in counties that voted for Trump.

     How do you explain that?

     Unfortunately, during the past 20 months, Trump and his Fox propagandists have succeeded in turning COVID denial-ism and vaccine refusal into matters of GOP identity politics.

      There seems to be an underlying, vague notion in the Trump MAGA-verse that the 2020 COVID pandemic was some sort of hoax, perpetrated to undermine Trump's presidency.

       Now that Trump is out of office, it has morphed into irrational vaccine paranoia and blaming Biden for the fact that Trump voters don't want to get vaccinated or wear masks.

   

W.-

That's the point---the US is a country (and I guess the UK, Germany also) where lots of people are apprehensive about vaccines and in general people obey authority on hit-or-miss basis. 

UK and Germany setting all-time records for C19 new infections. New York City also. 

Any public policy has trade-offs, and works with facts realities on the ground. 

If after all the remonstrations, strong-arming (get jabbed or lose your job), lockdowns, vaccine passes, travel bans...we see all-time record-high new C19 infection rates...then, yes, I say time to fold up the tents and go home. 

Light at the end of the tunnel? Who is to say the next variant will be even better at dodging vaccines? 

And even if the US population becomes perfect---the virus is global. Indeed, they say omicron came from South Africa. So one guy gets inside the US with the next vaccine-resistant variant....

My take is get the jabs you want, wear masks if you want, but life must go on. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The average age of a Covid death in the UK is 82.5. The average mortality age in general is 81 (UK). I can't even begin to imagine what the cognitive dissonance is like when people here at statement and still believe every word they are hearing from MSM and the government. 

VAERS is ineffective for capturing adverse reactions. Two studies, one in 2010 and one in 2016 (Harvard) point out that between 90 and 99% of adverse reactions are not being captured by this self reporting system. Its the same in the UK with our Yellow Card system. Just let that sink in. Your actual numbers of adverse reactions are 10 x what is being captured? Still don't think we have a problem?

Professional athletes in their 20's are collapsing and dying all over the globe of heart related issues. MSM is doing it's best to put out articles saying some were jabbed, or, it could be long form covid, or saying it has always happened. Then last week we are running articles all over MSM that cold weather is causing more heart attacks. The tissue of lies here is astounding. The UK government is ordering masses of anti-blood clot medicines. I guess as long as excuses are made by the MSM and government, you'll all just be accepting this is normal, meanwhile carry on living in terror about a virus that is looking as dangerous as one influenza in the 1960's and another in the 1950's. 

We have investigations ongoing in the UK to understand why morgues are suddenly full of still born babies. Meanwhile the Dr's pressure mothers to take the jabs as they'll have a reduced lung capacity. Telling them the jabs are 100% safe, yet they are also experimental until 2023. 

Nothing screams "trust the science" like governments suppressing trial data for between 55 and 75 years. The JFK researchers may be familiar with those timescales. 

Have you seen the leaked Pfizer contract with the Israeli government? There is an agreement to suppress adverse reactions for 10 years. 

You don't want to listen to the whole host of scientists, including some who have testified on congress about the dangers of these jabs. You'd prefer to look for cognitive bias material in the MSM that criticises them, as it makes your world seem in order. 

It's amazing, conspiracy theorists are having this eerie ability to see the future. When they said it was from a lab, they must have been ton foil hat wearers. When they said the lab was funded by the USA, they must be right down a rabbit hole. When they suggested vaccine passports were on the agenda, governments and MSM called them CT's, now look. 

I could go on and on and on .... 

Dr Mattias Desmet, has been talking about "Mass Formation Psychosis", explaining that the constant supply of fear via propaganda is paralysing peoples critical thinking skills, suppressing the logical mind, and people are put in an instinctive state, by this pressure. This isn't new, it's all in Dr Joost Meerloo's book "The rape of the mind." He explains how the masses were put into this mass psychosis, waves of fear put humans on a witch hunt in the 16th and 17th century. It turned ordinary educated liberal German people into people putting Jews in gas chambers. It's the same phenomenon happening now. And you want to ignore it, hide from reality, you want to believe your government are the good guys, as you've had a lifetime of conditioning to make you think like that, through everything from film, to MSM. You sit there watching TV, which changes your brain from Beta waves to Alpha waves, putting you in a suggestible state, akin to hypnosis, you all take it in subliminally. You wanna know how cults are all under the spell of a leader? This is it. 

We're in the end days of capitalism, the US dollar will cease to be the worlds base currency by the end of the decade, you're in for a very rough time, supply chain collapses, cyber attacks, food shortages, monetary system collapse and you're thinking Biden is going to pull a rabbit out of a hat, or Trump is coming back to save the day. All empires have this tremendous period of progress, then they fall into decay, and collapse. We're seeing the decay. I am no fan of Marx at all but, he did get something right. He predicted what the end days of capitalism would look like. He said corruption would be rife, oligarchs would cannibalise state institutions. Just consider what is happening to government and the health system. 

We've witnessed the largest passing upward of wealth in human history, it's staggering, the poor and middle class are becoming as one, they are being wiped out, made state dependant. If you guys can't see this is jabs for life, you're insane. It's the same racket at as war. Media manufactures consent, government pretends they are reacting to public demand, tax payer pays for it, private corps pick up the profits in perpetuity. 

Guys, wake up. This isn't about me being right or you being right, we're all screwed if 30% or more don't wake up. Technocratic dictatorship is coming. The only way it stops, is if we withdraw our consent, en mass. I sometimes think that because we've had this tremendous period of prosperity and safety in the west (post WW2) that nobody thinks things can be bad again. But, most of human history has been at the hands of tyrants. It's almost a miracle that we've had this great period. Democracy needs to be maintained, worked at, it's a fragile thing. I'll repeat this JFK quote once again:

"For a democracy to survive, people need to be vigilant, educated, and ready to rise up should their freedoms be threatened with being taken away."

John F. Kennedy 

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56 minutes ago, Chris Barnard said:

The average age of a Covid death in the UK is 82.5. The average mortality age in general is 81 (UK). I can't even begin to imagine what the cognitive dissonance is like when people here at statement and still believe every word they are hearing from MSM and the government. 

VAERS is ineffective for capturing adverse reactions. Two studies, one in 2010 and one in 2016 (Harvard) point out that between 90 and 99% of adverse reactions are not being captured by this self reporting system. Its the same in the UK with our Yellow Card system. Just let that sink in. Your actual numbers of adverse reactions are 10 x what is being captured? Still don't think we have a problem?

Professional athletes in their 20's are collapsing and dying all over the globe of heart related issues. MSM is doing it's best to put out articles saying some were jabbed, or, it could be long form covid, or saying it has always happened. Then last week we are running articles all over MSM that cold weather is causing more heart attacks. The tissue of lies here is astounding. The UK government is ordering masses of anti-blood clot medicines. I guess as long as excuses are made by the MSM and government, you'll all just be accepting this is normal, meanwhile carry on living in terror about a virus that is looking as dangerous as one influenza in the 1960's and another in the 1950's. 

We have investigations ongoing in the UK to understand why morgues are suddenly full of still born babies. Meanwhile the Dr's pressure mothers to take the jabs as they'll have a reduced lung capacity. Telling them the jabs are 100% safe, yet they are also experimental until 2023. 

Nothing screams "trust the science" like governments suppressing trial data for between 55 and 75 years. The JFK researchers may be familiar with those timescales. 

Have you seen the leaked Pfizer contract with the Israeli government? There is an agreement to suppress adverse reactions for 10 years. 

You don't want to listen to the whole host of scientists, including some who have testified on congress about the dangers of these jabs. You'd prefer to look for cognitive bias material in the MSM that criticises them, as it makes your world seem in order. 

It's amazing, conspiracy theorists are having this eerie ability to see the future. When they said it was from a lab, they must have been ton foil hat wearers. When they said the lab was funded by the USA, they must be right down a rabbit hole. When they suggested vaccine passports were on the agenda, governments and MSM called them CT's, now look. 

I could go on and on and on .... 

Dr Mattias Desmet, has been talking about "Mass Formation Psychosis", explaining that the constant supply of fear via propaganda is paralysing peoples critical thinking skills, suppressing the logical mind, and people are put in an instinctive state, by this pressure. This isn't new, it's all in Dr Joost Meerloo's book "The rape of the mind." He explains how the masses were put into this mass psychosis, waves of fear put humans on a witch hunt in the 16th and 17th century. It turned ordinary educated liberal German people into people putting Jews in gas chambers. It's the same phenomenon happening now. And you want to ignore it, hide from reality, you want to believe your government are the good guys, as you've had a lifetime of conditioning to make you think like that, through everything from film, to MSM. You sit there watching TV, which changes your brain from Beta waves to Alpha waves, putting you in a suggestible state, akin to hypnosis, you all take it in subliminally. You wanna know how cults are all under the spell of a leader? This is it. 

We're in the end days of capitalism, the US dollar will cease to be the worlds base currency by the end of the decade, you're in for a very rough time, supply chain collapses, cyber attacks, food shortages, monetary system collapse and you're thinking Biden is going to pull a rabbit out of a hat, or Trump is coming back to save the day. All empires have this tremendous period of progress, then they fall into decay, and collapse. We're seeing the decay. I am no fan of Marx at all but, he did get something right. He predicted what the end days of capitalism would look like. He said corruption would be rife, oligarchs would cannibalise state institutions. Just consider what is happening to government and the health system. 

We've witnessed the largest passing upward of wealth in human history, it's staggering, the poor and middle class are becoming as one, they are being wiped out, made state dependant. If you guys can't see this is jabs for life, you're insane. It's the same racket at as war. Media manufactures consent, government pretends they are reacting to public demand, tax payer pays for it, private corps pick up the profits in perpetuity. 

Guys, wake up. This isn't about me being right or you being right, we're all screwed if 30% or more don't wake up. Technocratic dictatorship is coming. The only way it stops, is if we withdraw our consent, en mass. I sometimes think that because we've had this tremendous period of prosperity and safety in the west (post WW2) that nobody thinks things can be bad again. But, most of human history has been at the hands of tyrants. It's almost a miracle that we've had this great period. Democracy needs to be maintained, worked at, it's a fragile thing. I'll repeat this JFK quote once again:

"For a democracy to survive, people need to be vigilant, educated, and ready to rise up should their freedoms be threatened with being taken away."

John F. Kennedy 

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"The average age of a Covid death in the UK is 82.5. The average mortality age in general is 81 (UK)."--Chris B.

Is that a real number?

I would like to know what fraction of C19 deaths involve fat and old smokers. 

I am not criticizing anyone for lifestyle choices. 

But what is, is. 

 

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2 hours ago, Paul Bacon said:

... by washing our hands and buying better refrigerators.

Wrong, Paul.  Vaccines have been crucial in the eradication of smallpox and polio.

Polio remains endemic today only in places like Afghanistan and Pakistan, where populations have remained unvaccinated.

Global Smallpox Eradication Program

https://www.cdc.gov/smallpox/history/history.html

In 1959, the World Health Organization (WHO) started a plan to rid the world of smallpox. Unfortunately, this global eradication campaign suffered from a lack of funds, personnel, and commitment from countries, and a shortage of vaccine donations. Despite their best efforts, smallpox was still widespread in 1966, causing regular outbreaks across South America, Africa, and Asia.

The Intensified Eradication Program began in 1967 with a promise of renewed efforts. Laboratories in many countries where smallpox occurred regularly were able to produce more, higher-quality freeze-dried vaccine. Other factors that played an important role in the success of the intensified efforts included the development of the bifurcated needle, the establishment of a case surveillance system, and mass vaccination campaigns.

By the time the Intensified Eradication Program began in 1967, smallpox was already eliminated in North America (1952) and Europe (1953). Cases were still occurring in South America, Asia, and Africa (smallpox was never widespread in Australia). The Program made steady progress toward ridding the world of this disease, and by 1971 smallpox was eradicated from South America, followed by Asia (1975), and finally Africa (1977).

 

Polio eradication

Polio eradication, the permanent global cessation of circulation by the poliovirus and hence elimination of the poliomyelitis (polio) it causes, is the aim of a multinational public health effort begun in 1988, led by the World Health Organization (WHO), the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF) and the Rotary Foundation.[1] These organizations, along with the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and The Gates Foundation, have spearheaded the campaign through the Global Polio Eradication Initiative (GPEI). Successful eradication of infectious diseases has been achieved twice before, with smallpox[2] and bovine rinderpest.[3]

Prevention of disease spread is accomplished by vaccination. There are two kinds of polio vaccine—oral polio vaccine (OPV), which uses weakened poliovirus, and inactivated polio vaccine (IPV), which is injected. The OPV is less expensive and easier to administer, and can spread immunity beyond the person vaccinated, creating contact immunity. It has been the predominant vaccine used.

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1 hour ago, Benjamin Cole said:

"The average age of a Covid death in the UK is 82.5. The average mortality age in general is 81 (UK)."--Chris B.

Is that a real number?

I would like to know what fraction of C19 deaths involve fat and old smokers. 

I am not criticizing anyone for lifestyle choices. 

But what is, is. 

 

The most up to date I have seen was a 2020 sample. It's correct. People just go silent when you mention it. Even Sir Patrick Vallance, the UK's chief scientific officer, said the virus wasn't a threat to most people in April or May 2020. The government knew very early on. The same guy who had £600,000 of shares in Astra Zeneca, the chosen provider of the vaccines in Britain. The government said there was no conflict of interest. Staggering ... 

Smoking doubles your risk of being in an ICU. 

Maintaining optimal levels of vitamin C, vitamin D and zinc helps maintain a strong immune system, along with a healthy balanced diet. Cut the alcohol consumption to a minimum. Exercise, sleep properly.  We knew all of these things early in the pandemic, it should have been information that was propagated by governments, if they wanted to save every life. 

I cannot recommend Robert F. Kennedy Jr's latest book enough. It's free with an audible trial. 2200 citations. He has written about his own opinion, he has quoted scientists all the way through the book. It was no 1 best seller for 2 weeks in the USA, it spent days as no #1 on Amazon (all books). Look at the ratings and reviews. It's shone a spotlight on the way American health has dived since 1984 since Fauci took over. What is astounding is the corruption. I'd expect him to be getting sued for years on end if what is he is pointing out is untrue. The worst thing by far is that we could have saved most people from this virus, but, blocked the treatment. If people want to argue the contents of the book, they have to read it and understand it first. Not ad hominem attack a bloke, the only consideration is whether what he is saying has merit or not. Unfortunately, it's going shock people. I completely understand why people don't want to see reality. 

 

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