Ron Bulman Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 We should go to the water cooler to discuss it. But a potential insurrection is moving fast in Russia right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Schwartz Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 The Wagner group has taken control of the Russian Control Center in charge of the war on Ukraine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 9 hours ago, Ron Bulman said: We should go to the water cooler to discuss it. But a potential insurrection is moving fast in Russia right now. Absolutely stunning developments. Let us hope for peace in Ukraine and a new Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Finally we know why all press outlets have been talking about the coming Ukrainian offensive. I knew that was fishy. Since when do you advertise your next move? When you want to misdirect your adversary. Very clever. Maybe this action by the Wagner group will result in something good, and perhaps an end to the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Gallaway Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Prigozhin:Ukraine has not bombed Donetsk for 8 years, only Russian positions. The armed forces of Ukraine were not going to attack Russia with Nato soldiers. The Russian Ministry of Defence is deceiving the public and the President. "Prigozhin contradicted Putin’s main pretexts for invading Ukraine, declaring that "Russia has faced no extraordinary security threat from Ukraine, and that Russian military officials had deceived Putin into going to war." Oliver Stone should hold a press conference calling this treasonous propaganda. And state again his certainty that Ukraine was ethnically cleansing Russians from Donetsk because Putin told him so! heh heh But now Prigozhin is trying to portray Putin as a fall guy who just innocently believed his generals. Hyeahh ok! My guess is so he can give Putin a way out of the war, and buddy up with him to ensure he's the new Defense Minister? Call it a false flag, (which it could be). If Prigozhin can't get additional support. I think he's probably toast. But he's being given a general amnesty if he backs out before too long.. Some more: The war, Prigozhin claimed, was designed by Russian officials and oligarchs who had plundered two separatist regions in Donbas, eastern Ukraine, for years, but grew greedy and wanted to plunder all of Ukraine. Prigozhin’s claim went well beyond his frequent rants against top military officials and Russian oligarchs, because it undermined Putin’s frequent argument that Russia had “no choice” but to launch a preemptive invasion. Putin has argued, without evidence, that Ukraine was committing “genocide” against ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine and was planning a major attack with NATO’s support on Russian-controlled areas of Donbas." WAPO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Sounds like the whole corrupt mess is about to explode! Scary scenario indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kirk Gallaway said: Prigozhin:Ukraine has not bombed Donetsk for 8 years, only Russian positions. The armed forces of Ukraine were not going to attack Russia with Nato soldiers. The Russian Ministry of Defence is deceiving the public and the President. "Prigozhin contradicted Putin’s main pretexts for invading Ukraine, declaring that "Russia has faced no extraordinary security threat from Ukraine, and that Russian military officials had deceived Putin into going to war." Oliver Stone should hold a press conference calling this treasonous propaganda. And state again his certainty that Ukraine was ethnically cleansing Russians from Donetsk because Putin told him so! heh heh But now Prigozhin is trying to portray Putin as a fall guy who just innocently believed his generals. Hyeahh ok! My guess is so he can give Putin a way out of the war, and buddy up with him to ensure he's the new Defense Minister? Call it a false flag, (which it could be). If Prigozhin can't get additional support. I think he's probably toast. But he's being given a general amnesty if he backs out before too long.. Some more: The war, Prigozhin claimed, was designed by Russian officials and oligarchs who had plundered two separatist regions in Donbas, eastern Ukraine, for years, but grew greedy and wanted to plunder all of Ukraine. Prigozhin’s claim went well beyond his frequent rants against top military officials and Russian oligarchs, because it undermined Putin’s frequent argument that Russia had “no choice” but to launch a preemptive invasion. Putin has argued, without evidence, that Ukraine was committing “genocide” against ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine and was planning a major attack with NATO’s support on Russian-controlled areas of Donbas." WAPO "Plunder" is the key word, Kirk. IMO, the three P's of Putin-ism are plunder, police, and propaganda, as those of us in the ROCOR learned back in 2007. Putin's aggressive international propaganda convinced many in the West that NATO and Ukrainian fascists were responsible for the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine-- with major assists from Faux News and Putin's Orange Asset, Donald Trump. And the Putin apologists have persistently refused to study or discuss Putin's history, while focusing their diatribes on the sins of the U.S. and NATO. "Russia is a mafia front with factions fighting each other for money, resources and power and the present situation is a clear indication that Putin was not able to control the factions from infighting." -- Gary Kasparov June 23, 2023 Edited June 24, 2023 by W. Niederhut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Allison Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 The amount of conspiracy theories floating around the internet right now about this is truly comical; with the one about "Senile Joe covering up for Hunter" being the most oxymoronic dumbassery I've seen so far. No one seems to consider the most blatantly obvious reason: that Putin's ginormous f**kup has finally caught up to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Kinaski Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 This thread does not belong here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Wagner leader Prigozhin 'agrees to STAND DOWN' in shock u-turn with his forces just 120 miles from Moscow | The US Sun (the-sun.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Allison Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 18 minutes ago, Karl Kinaski said: This thread does not belong here. Neither do any of the RFK Jr. threads, but that hasn't stopped them from appearing, has it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 4 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said: Prigozhin:Ukraine has not bombed Donetsk for 8 years, only Russian positions. The armed forces of Ukraine were not going to attack Russia with Nato soldiers. The Russian Ministry of Defence is deceiving the public and the President. "Prigozhin contradicted Putin’s main pretexts for invading Ukraine, declaring that "Russia has faced no extraordinary security threat from Ukraine, and that Russian military officials had deceived Putin into going to war." Oliver Stone should hold a press conference calling this treasonous propaganda. And state again his certainty that Ukraine was ethnically cleansing Russians from Donetsk because Putin told him so! heh heh But now Prigozhin is trying to portray Putin as a fall guy who just innocently believed his generals. Hyeahh ok! My guess is so he can give Putin a way out of the war, and buddy up with him to ensure he's the new Defense Minister? Call it a false flag, (which it could be). If Prigozhin can't get additional support. I think he's probably toast. But he's being given a general amnesty if he backs out before too long.. Some more: The war, Prigozhin claimed, was designed by Russian officials and oligarchs who had plundered two separatist regions in Donbas, eastern Ukraine, for years, but grew greedy and wanted to plunder all of Ukraine. Prigozhin’s claim went well beyond his frequent rants against top military officials and Russian oligarchs, because it undermined Putin’s frequent argument that Russia had “no choice” but to launch a preemptive invasion. Putin has argued, without evidence, that Ukraine was committing “genocide” against ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine and was planning a major attack with NATO’s support on Russian-controlled areas of Donbas." WAPO Hmmm... Not a single comment about Prigozhin's remarkable confession here, from the guys who have been pushing the "blame it on Biden and NATO" narrative about Putin's invasion of Ukraine?? Talk about yer confirmation bias... 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David G. Healy Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 11 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said: Hmmm... Not a single comment about Prigozhin's remarkable confession here, from the guys who have been pushing the "blame it on Biden and NATO" narrative about Putin's invasion of Ukraine?? Talk about yer confirmation bias... 🙄 they are consulting with Marge Green and the super State Department NCOIC Ferdinand Bobert? Rumor has it Putin is in a tough spot licking his ego, and Wagner leader, coup-specialist is parking himself in Belarus right where Putin has some nuclear weapons stored for a rainy day.... The Facistas and Republicans are getting nervous, this was not in any of Oliver Stone's line scripts... Ukrainians should put the petal to the metal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 5 hours ago, Matt Allison said: Neither do any of the RFK Jr. threads, but that hasn't stopped them from appearing, has it? Not at all Matt. How can anyone interested in the JFK case dismiss what Bobby Jr said in his peace speech? NSAM 263, Kennedys' withdrawal from Vietnam, Johnson's reversal of that withdrawal to the tune of 540,000 combat troops, back channel to Nikita K and the pope as they both tried to go around the hawks, JFK's push for the PNTB treaty after learning how radioactivity can come down in rain. And his attempt through the American University speech to get a detente with the USSR. Please show me another president who has said all those things and he did it in less than three years. (Bobby left out the fact that JFK made his great civil rights speech within 48 hours of the American University speech. Amazing.) If Bobby reminding America of all of that his uncle did, if that is not relevant to this site, I really do not know what is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Matt Allison said: Neither do any of the RFK Jr. threads, but that hasn't stopped them from appearing, has it? Surely, RFK Jr.'s bid to open up the JFK Records and curtail the Deep State, is a worthy topic here---as is the Operation Mockingbird against RFK Jr. We can be sure few, if any, mainstream media will cover RFK Jr.'s campaign from these angles. The Donk-Deep State media wants you to believe RFK Jr. is a nutty anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist, and that's that. End of discussion. Surely, we can discuss the RFK Jr. campaign in the EF-JFKA. If not here---then where? Edited June 25, 2023 by Benjamin Cole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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