David Josephs Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Steve Thomas said: who drove them down to the station Thanks Steve... nice find to expand the knowledge base... here are some thoughts and sources. County sheriffs vs DPD? I've not seen them but have to think they'd be different. Found this... Sheriff wearing a very different uniform than DPD - most images of sheriffs show plainclothesmen. Beers photo. Deputy Sheriff Al Maddox on the left. CASH, BEN (Constable/Sheriff's Dept - Weitzman was a Constable) A gaggle of sheriffs === The Men photographed in DP as the 3 tramps where not DRIVEN anywhere... BASS, the DPD officer at the front of the famous photo, directly contradicts HARKNESS who says more than those three were removed from the trains. BASS also says that after "marching them up the street, across the front of the TSBD, blah, blah, blah". Of course that's what the photos show, they also show it was much, much later in the day than 12:45 Look at the shadows in any of the tramps photos, and then look at Altgens 6 at 12:30. The tramp shadows are longer and more east-facing that these shadows - as it was a few hours later in the day and the sun moved lower into the western sky. BASS is combining the arrest and driving of three men prior to the Tippit murder to the photos of him in DP hours later escorting 3 other men thru DP. If the Sheriffs were the ones taking Abrams/Gedney/Doyle to the county jail before 1pm, the "Hold for Decker" presented could be the reason the DPD records have a much later time... the time could also be a CYA to associate these three with the much later parade of the only tramps we were aware of that day. WISE report on the left, MIDDLETON on the right talking about the Sheriff's records of arrest, not DPD, and illustrates how easy it would have been for DECKER to do whatever he wanted with them. Edited July 19, 2023 by David Josephs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted July 19, 2023 Author Share Posted July 19, 2023 2 hours ago, David Josephs said: Thanks Steve... nice find to expand the knowledge base... here are some thoughts and sources.County sheriffs vs DPD? I've not seen them but have to think they'd be different. David, The Sheriff Deputies' uniform was a butternut brown. The DPD's was a blue. I've read before that there was a charge in Dallas at the time called, "Hold For Decker". He could hold people for as long as he wanted, without ever charging them with anything. Deadly times. Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted July 19, 2023 Author Share Posted July 19, 2023 36 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said: David, The Sheriff Deputies' uniform was a butternut brown. The DPD's was a blue. I've read before that there was a charge in Dallas at the time called, "Hold For Decker". He could hold people for as long as he wanted, without ever charging them with anything. Deadly times. Steve Thomas WC testimony of Sheriff Bill Decker https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/decker.htm Mr. HUBERT - Now, when prisoners are put in your custody or you take them into your custody who are awaiting trial, where are they placed, in cell blocks or something of that sort? Mr. DECKER - Oh, yes; we have a jail there with a capacity of 750 prisoners. Mr. DECKER - Most prisoners taken in custody by the city police are arrested within the corporate limits of the city of Dallas and they in turn are moved to the city jail, which is located at the corner of Main and Harwood, or better still, in the 2000 block of Main Street, and there confined until their period of investigation is completed. Mr. HUBERT - How long is that? Mr. DECKER - Well, now, that's a problem I couldn't--there would be no way to answer that--how long does it take to make some investigation? Mr. HUBERT - What I had in mind was whether there was any rule, regulation, or law? Mr. DECKER - No; someone said once you couldn't hold them over 24 or 36 hours, but where it is, I don't know. The city ordinance under which most municipalities work is--they have a right to arrest and hold for investigation until they could determine if a crime has been committed. That leaves it pretty blank. Mr. HUBERT - All right. Now, let's assume that a man has been formally charged and that there has been a capias or warrant Mr. DECKER - It's a warrant in this case. Mr. HUBERT - Of arrest, which authorizes you to arrest the particular prisoner? Mr. DECKER - I or one of the constables. Mr. HUBERT - What is your custom--are there any rules or regulations or laws? Mr. DECKER - No; there's no rules or regulations--- Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Sharp Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) Who ran the Three Tramps Operation, assuming it was a diversion op? Even if it wasn't officially designated as such in November '63, it certainly morphed into a successful diversion for this community for decades. . . unless the purpose all along has been to trace the tramps to who positioned them in Dealey?@Steve Thomas Edited July 19, 2023 by Leslie Sharp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said: WC testimony of Sheriff Bill Decker https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/decker.htm Mr. DECKER - Most prisoners taken in custody by the city police are arrested within the corporate limits of the city of Dallas and they in turn are moved to the city jail, which is located at the corner of Main and Harwood, or better still, in the 2000 block of Main Street, and there confined until their period of investigation is completed. Mr. HUBERT - How long is that? Mr. DECKER - Well, now, that's a problem I couldn't--there would be no way to answer that--how long does it take to make some investigation? Mr. HUBERT - What I had in mind was whether there was any rule, regulation, or law? Mr. DECKER - No; someone said once you couldn't hold them over 24 or 36 hours, but where it is, I don't know. The city ordinance under which most municipalities work is--they have a right to arrest and hold for investigation until they could determine if a crime has been committed. That leaves it pretty blank. Mr. HUBERT - All right. Now, let's assume that a man has been formally charged and that there has been a capias or warrant Mr. DECKER - It's a warrant in this case. Mr. HUBERT - Of arrest, which authorizes you to arrest the particular prisoner? Mr. DECKER - I or one of the constables. Mr. HUBERT - What is your custom--are there any rules or regulations or laws? Mr. DECKER - No; there's no rules or regulations--- Steve Thomas Suspects rights in Dallas at that time were ... well, shall we say ...outrageously abused? Edited July 19, 2023 by Joe Bauer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 49 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said: it certainly morphed into a successful diversion for this community for decades. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Cohen Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Leslie Sharp said: Who ran the Three Tramps Operation, assuming it was a diversion op? Even if it wasn't officially designated as such in November '63, it certainly morphed into a successful diversion for this community for decades. . . unless the purpose all along has been to trace the tramps to who positioned them in Dealey? Nobody “ran” anything involving the tramps and there was no “purpose all along.” The only “diversion” was people like Bob Dylan trash-digger Alan Weberman claiming the men were secret CIA agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Allison Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Out of deference to my compadres Steve and Ron, I'm going to exit this thread. I've expressed my thoughts and I stand by them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis Morissette Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 5 hours ago, David Josephs said: Thanks Steve... nice find to expand the knowledge base... here are some thoughts and sources. County sheriffs vs DPD? I've not seen them but have to think they'd be different. Found this... Sheriff wearing a very different uniform than DPD - most images of sheriffs show plainclothesmen. Beers photo. Deputy Sheriff Al Maddox on the left. CASH, BEN (Constable/Sheriff's Dept - Weitzman was a Constable) Al Maddox had the uniform worn by the deputy sheriff working at the County Jail. The man smiling is not Ben Cash, but Eugene Boone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Denis Morissette said: Al Maddox had the uniform worn by the deputy sheriff working at the County Jail. The man smiling is not Ben Cash, but Eugene Boone. Sorry Denis, my bad... look at how this is listed... just search for BOONE when the page loads... https://jfkinvestigators.wordpress.com/2016/02/24/jfk-investigators-identification-project/ It says CASH is all the way to the right... thanks for catching that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) 56 minutes ago, David Josephs said: Who is the big and tall intimidating fellow in the picture above. Right behind the man holding the cigar leaning on the top of the car? He looks at least 6ft. 6in. tall. Edited July 19, 2023 by Joe Bauer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis Morissette Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said: Who is the big and tall intimidating fellow in the picture above. Right behind the man holding the cigar leaning on the top of the car? He looks at least 6ft. 6in. tall. He’s huge. No idea who that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Crane Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said: Who is the big and tall intimidating fellow in the picture above. Right behind the man holding the cigar leaning on the top of the car? He looks at least 6ft. 6in. tall. He was a offensive lineman for Polk High that blocked for Al Bundy when Bundy scored 4 touchdowns in one game. Edited July 20, 2023 by Michael Crane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted July 20, 2023 Author Share Posted July 20, 2023 29 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said: Who is the big and tall intimidating fellow in the picture above. Right behind the man holding the cigar leaning on the top of the car? He looks at least 6ft. 6in. tall. Joe, I might be completely wrong, but it looks like he might be Detective John B. Drake of the Juvenile Bureau. Go here and scroll roll down to the Juvenile Bureau: https://jfkinvestigators.wordpress.com/2016/02/24/jfk-investigators-identification-project/ Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Cummings Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 59 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said: Joe, I might be completely wrong, but it looks like he might be Detective John B. Drake of the Juvenile Bureau. Go here and scroll roll down to the Juvenile Bureau: https://jfkinvestigators.wordpress.com/2016/02/24/jfk-investigators-identification-project/ Steve Thomas Clearly a ringer for the police department basketball team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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