The assassination of JFK: Who was the Mastermind?

[Bob Ness]

5 hours ago, Cory Santos said:

There is no evidence Bush had anything to do with JFK.  If so feel free to share.  Those alleged photos outside the TSBD? 

I believe McAdams or someone found a picture of the same man at another location and it pretty clearly wasn't HW Bush.

[Dennis Berube]

I tend to think of the answer to this question being along the lines of what Prouty would say, it may have started as a conversation between a pool of any number of men with a statement like "JFK is screwing us in Cuba, screwing us in Vietnam, screwed us in '62 with the steel contract, is trying to make peace with the commies, is trying to screw Israel with nuclear weapons.... something needs to be done."

From there it could've been all about picking people who have the ability to perform a certain task in furtherance of the crime regardless of what title or position they hold. It's frustrating that the true origins of the plan will probably never be known, but exposing the intelligence/military involvement and cover up is just as useful at this point in history in my opinion.

[Cory Santos]

18 hours ago, Bob Ness said:

I believe McAdams or someone found a picture of the same man at another location and it pretty clearly wasn't HW Bush.

Yeah I am not sold on that explanation as presented by McAdams however.

[Cory Santos]

13 hours ago, Robert Wheeler said:

Here is my most recent pet theory. The CIA/"Powers that Be"/Illuminati/Deep State/etc. controls the MSM through Pharmaceutical commercials. Think of the variety of commercials their used to be on TV. Breakfast cereal, Airlines, Coke & Pepsi wars, Beer jingles. Now it is all Pharmaceuticals for very specific people (those with whatever problem the pill being sold helps.) The commercials are not entertaining (not that most of the older ones were), they are just a long list of symptoms.

 

Who does the scaring though? Who (what) made "conspiracy" a word to describe tin-foil hat wearers.

Robert Booker Baer, the "ex" CIA operative who hosts "Hunting Hitler" and "Tracking Oswald" and has written a number of books did a whole show about Oswald being a KGB plant from his days in Russia, and the entire context of the show and KGB theory were premised on an assertion (not a theory) that LHO was the guilty loan nut.

It is one thing to dismiss CTer's as tin-foil types at this point and not give them airtime, but why actively promote the loan nut idea this late in the game? (No need to answer, just throwing out the idea.)

 

As for the Bush Family, the fuzzy picture of a guy who is probably not George HW Bush in Dallas in '63 and the Hoover Memo is the least of the evidence (though who else would Hoover be writing about?)

The Bush families pre-'63 affiliations and the father & son affiliations after '63 are more suspicious than the Memo (or at least strengthens the memo's veracity.)

As noted, the JFK assassination was not the first time the Bush family was accused of being involved in a history changing crime. Their involvement in WWI war profiteering is well known, but their is a decent amount of literature that suggests the Bush/Walkers, Rockefellers, Mellons, Bissells, Symingtons and maybe 30 or 40 more families, pushed the US into the war though false flags (Lusitania), propaganda (the Rape of Belgium) and getting Wilson into the White House in the first place (their guy to push around.)

The post JFK Bushes had guys like Shackley, Halper (Ray Clines son in law) on the White House pay roll and used others for Iran/Contra crimes that are suspected to have also played a roll in '63, like Barry Seal and some of the Cubans.

George W. had a few JFK era names in his administration. Here is Christina Bagley Rocca  (Ex CIA and United States Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asian Affairs from 2001 to 2006.) It would be hard to come up with a more CIA name than Bagley Rocca.

 

You say the photo and memo are the least of evidence.  Then you fail to cite evidence linking President Bush to the assasination.  Can you present the bigger evidence you are referring to?  Your references that followed were not evidence but putting opinion and interpretation and filling in holes to reach a conclusion.  That is speculation not evidence.

[Bob Ness]

19 hours ago, Robert Wheeler said:

Here is my most recent pet theory. The CIA/"Powers that Be"/Illuminati/Deep State/etc. controls the MSM through Pharmaceutical commercials. Think of the variety of commercials their used to be on TV. Breakfast cereal, Airlines, Coke & Pepsi wars, Beer jingles. Now it is all Pharmaceuticals for very specific people (those with whatever problem the pill being sold helps.) The commercials are not entertaining (not that most of the older ones were), they are just a long list of symptoms.

Direct to consumer advertising for lawyers and pharma is relatively new. For years pharma only advertised to doctors and pharmacists. That explains the lack of drug advertising up until the 90's or so. Their influence over programming decisions is limited but meaningful because of their financial clout, but probably doesn't get by the firewall in the news rooms of most networks. You can simply look at the network takedowns of several drug companies to see that's true. Negative reporting on big pharma is probably at an all time high.

I do remember a hysterical tv spot produced by one of the online brokerage companies around the dot com boom that spoofed drug commercials. An investor was shown buying a drug company stock on his lap top  while watching a commercial about it's new wonder drug. When the lady dancing in the field of lillies came to rest in the sunlight the warnings about the side effects came on - "Your children may be born with the head of a cocker spaniel etc etc etc" - the guy watching hit sell immediately. One of the funniest ads I've ever seen! And I only saw it once. I have no doubt the ad got killed by the drug companies.

In short all these financial players have massive influence but by and large stay in their own lanes IMO. Unless there is direct  short term financial benefit to the shareholders they could care less about everything else.

[David Andrews]

On 10/15/2019 at 8:38 AM, Robert Wheeler said:

Here is my most recent pet theory. The CIA/"Powers that Be"/Illuminati/Deep State/etc. controls the MSM through Pharmaceutical commercials. Think of the variety of commercials their used to be on TV. Breakfast cereal, Airlines, Coke & Pepsi wars, Beer jingles. Now it is all Pharmaceuticals for very specific people (those with whatever problem the pill being sold helps.) The commercials are not entertaining (not that most of the older ones were), they are just a long list of symptoms.

Who does the scaring though? Who (what) made "conspiracy" a word to describe tin-foil hat wearers.

Robert Booker Baer, the "ex" CIA operative who hosts "Hunting Hitler" and "Tracking Oswald" and has written a number of books did a whole show about Oswald being a KGB plant from his days in Russia, and the entire context of the show and KGB theory were premised on an assertion (not a theory) that LHO was the guilty loan nut.

It is one thing to dismiss CTer's as tin-foil types at this point and not give them airtime, but why actively promote the loan nut idea this late in the game? (No need to answer, just throwing out the idea.)

 

I suspect that the audience for network and cable-network TV with commercials is in the boomer demographic, and may include younger people who are not internet oriented, or at least not attracted to CT on the internet.  (Their vices being Zillow, Ashley Madison, and good ol' free porn.)  So the MSM is preaching here to a choir seeking comfort and relief, chemical or political.  Note all the financial and retirement planning ads as well.

Lone-nut shows on the History Channel or NatGeo reinforce the assumptions of this class of influencers.  "Teach your children well," somebody sang.  Teach them to plan for retirement, while not giving in to depression.  Something that Oswald guy couldn't pull off with his Marxist-Leninist claptrap.

Psychological sets, somebody warned us?

Edited October 16, 2019 by David Andrews

[Jeffrey Reilley]

On 10/16/2019 at 4:20 AM, Bob Ness said:

Direct to consumer advertising for lawyers and pharma is relatively new. For years pharma only advertised to doctors and pharmacists. That explains the lack of drug advertising up until the 90's or so. Their influence over programming decisions is limited but meaningful because of their financial clout, but probably doesn't get by the firewall in the news rooms of most networks. You can simply look at the network takedowns of several drug companies to see that's true. Negative reporting on big pharma is probably at an all time high.

I do remember a hysterical tv spot produced by one of the online brokerage companies around the dot com boom that spoofed drug commercials. An investor was shown buying a drug company stock on his lap top  while watching a commercial about it's new wonder drug. When the lady dancing in the field of lillies came to rest in the sunlight the warnings about the side effects came on - "Your children may be born with the head of a cocker spaniel etc etc etc" - the guy watching hit sell immediately. One of the funniest ads I've ever seen! And I only saw it once. I have no doubt the ad got killed by the drug companies.

In short all these financial players have massive influence but by and large stay in their own lanes IMO. Unless there is direct  short term financial benefit to the shareholders they could care less about everything else.

I find the time frame quite interesting. In the 90's, when the Reagan War on Drugs fad was fading a bit, pharma and opiates start being introduced to the mainstream media in advertising. In a few years heroin and crack are no longer in the limelight, but here comes oxy. 

I graduated high school in 2001. Out of all the drugs you could find where I am from(Southwest Florida, lots of them), I never once heard of anyone using/selling/possessing heroin. Our class of 375 did lose over 24 students to overdoses of Oxycontin by the time we were 20. 

Fast forward a few years, now pill mills are in the limelight, Oxycontin is frowned upon, news about how bad the epidemic is start being churned out, and here comes heroin again. 

How hard would it be to track the people behind opiates? Who controls it? Who brings it in? Who monitors what is done with it? There just seems to be a cycle and now that Oxycontin is not as popular, heroin has made another resurgence.  As well, you look at the 60's and heroin, and you see a lot of it was being produced in Southeast Asia. Then in the early 2000's I find out that Afghanistan was/still is a huge producer of poppy. Not saying there is a connection there, but it is awfully coincidental. 

If we track who is running the show for the big pharma companies, will we see a lot of the same ole' names from the past 100 years? 

 

 

[Jeffrey Reilley]

2 minutes ago, Jeffrey Reilley said:

I find the time frame quite interesting. In the 90's, when the Reagan War on Drugs fad was fading a bit, pharma and opiates start being introduced to the mainstream media in advertising. In a few years heroin and crack are no longer in the limelight, but here comes oxy. 

I graduated high school in 2001. Out of all the drugs you could find where I am from(Southwest Florida, lots of them), I never once heard of anyone using/selling/possessing heroin. Our class of 375 did lose over 24 students to overdoses of Oxycontin by the time we were 20. 

Fast forward a few years, now pill mills are in the limelight, Oxycontin is frowned upon, news about how bad the epidemic is start being churned out, and here comes heroin again. 

How hard would it be to track the people behind opiates? Who controls it? Who brings it in? Who monitors what is done with it? There just seems to be a cycle and now that Oxycontin is not as popular, heroin has made another resurgence.  As well, you look at the 60's and heroin, and you see a lot of it was being produced in Southeast Asia. Then in the early 2000's I find out that Afghanistan was/still is a huge producer of poppy. Not saying there is a connection there, but it is awfully coincidental. 

If we track who is running the show for the big pharma companies, will we see a lot of the same ole' names from the past 100 years? 

 

 

...and to veer off for a second. I caught a virus on an airplane five years ago and ended up in a coma for two months. Fentanyl while I was out, dilaudid every three hours once I woke up(for two months, with a shot of ativan the next hour), and then finally oxycontin by the handful for almost a year after that. I weighed 85lbs when I got out of the hospital several months later. I am over six feet tall and not a small frame either. Couldn't gain an ounce. Went back to California with my folks for physical rehab and locked myself in the Safari Inn in Burbank for a week not allowing anyone to see me as I cold turkey cured the opiate nonsense. Switched to cookies and herbal oils for bedsores and joint pains and wouldn't you know it, within a week I had gained weight. Within a year I was competing again in professional golf tournaments. 

If you can't tell I have a certain bias against opiates and what they have done to our society and my generation. 

[James DiEugenio]

That makes perfect sense.

I was just prediagnosed with  Meniere's Disease which is not curable.

So my doctor recommended two drugs to take once I feel an attack coming on.  One for vertigo and one for nausea.

My health plan does not cover the anti nausea one. So I asked the druggist, how much is it without insurance.  She said 8 bucks per pill. 

How do people get along without insurance?  And my God, how much profit is enough for big pharma?  As RFK Jr said, Big Pharma owns congress.

Edited October 17, 2019 by James DiEugenio

[Ron Bulman]

Very sorry to hear of your diagnosis.  I can empathize though mine is of a different nature (back, walking, Pain).  We've (wife and I) picked up a couple of prescriptions recently that without insurance would have been well over $100 each.   Co pay's for procedures, deductibles  and Dr. visits add up.  I don't see how people W/O insurance get by.  ER, loose house and home?

Why can most of the rest of the top 20 or so countries in the world provide comprehensive health care to they're people and we, the greatest of them all, can't.  Greed.   

[James DiEugenio]

Just remember what Gordon Gekko said in Wall Street:

 GREED IS GOOD!!

 

And just remember, thanks to Reagan and the Bushes, those guys won.

When JFK was assassinated the top income tax rate was around 72 per cent.  Today it is half of that.  And every other tax on the richest ten per cent has also gone down radically.

Like they need the money.  As AOC said, why do we need all these billionaires with helipads, when we have people sleeping  in the streets? So lobbyists can pay them for the parking meter they sleep at when they arrive in the morning?  Which, by the way, happens in DC.  And it took AOC to expose it.  But I  knew about it decades ago. Tom Brokaw would have never told you about it. SInce he is part of that class.

Edited October 18, 2019 by James DiEugenio

[Jeffrey Reilley]

16 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

That makes perfect sense.

I was just prediagnosed with  Meniere's Disease which is not curable.

So my doctor recommended two drugs to take once I feel an attack coming on.  One for vertigo and one for nausea.

My health plan does not cover the anti nausea one. So I asked the druggist, how much is it without insurance.  She said 8 bucks per pill. 

How do people get along without insurance?  And my God, how much profit is enough for big pharma?  As RFK Jr said, Big Pharma owns congress.

Sorry to hear that. Not fun. They did tests on me for Meniere's because I get vertigo every so often and have always been susceptible to ear infections.

I got lucky and had great insurance when I fell ill. Saved me 7.5 million dollars from all the bills; that's just what I was keeping track of. 1 million in chest x-rays alone. 150,000 for a helicopter ride I didn't even get to enjoy from Naples to Tampa. 

[Douglas Caddy]

17 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

That makes perfect sense.

I was just prediagnosed with  Meniere's Disease which is not curable.

So my doctor recommended two drugs to take once I feel an attack coming on.  One for vertigo and one for nausea.

My health plan does not cover the anti nausea one. So I asked the druggist, how much is it without insurance.  She said 8 bucks per pill. 

How do people get along without insurance?  And my God, how much profit is enough for big pharma?  As RFK Jr said, Big Pharma owns congress.

Jim:

Sorry to learn that you have been diagnosed with Meniere's Disease. I was unfamiliar with it and looked up what Dr. Mercola has say about it. Here are two articles by him that might be of help to you:

Conventional and Natural Treatment Options for Meniere’s Disease

https://articles.mercola.com/menieres-disease/treatment.aspx

 

Dietary Tips to Help You Cope With Meniere’s Disease

https://articles.mercola.com/menieres-disease/diet.aspx

 

 

 

 

[Ray Mitcham]

17 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

That makes perfect sense.

I was just prediagnosed with  Meniere's Disease which is not curable.

So my doctor recommended two drugs to take once I feel an attack coming on.  One for vertigo and one for nausea.

My health plan does not cover the anti nausea one. So I asked the druggist, how much is it without insurance.  She said 8 bucks per pill. 

How do people get along without insurance?  And my God, how much profit is enough for big pharma?  As RFK Jr said, Big Pharma owns congress.

Sorry to hear of your health problems, James. Hope your medication helps with the accompanying dizziness.

Makes me thank the lord for our National Health Service. It certainly isn't perfect but when required, it comes up with the goods. I'm sorry for you poor souls who have to have expensive insurance, but what the heck happens to the poor people who don't have it? Unfortunately there are right wing politicians in the UK who want to copy the US system, to scam off a lot of money, but they will have huge fight on their hands as it is much loved by the British public.

Edited October 18, 2019 by Ray Mitcham

[Chuck Schwartz]

I think Alan Dulles was the mastermind of the Big Event.  And, that was why LBJ put him on the WC.  LBJ knew that Alan Dulles knew what to keep secret and how to keep it secret. Dulles was the only one on the WC that worked full time on the WC. Most had full time jobs and worked on the WC part time. Dulles, in essence , controlled the WC.  Charles Cabell , who worked for Dulles in the CIA, was a general in the Army Air Force and could have had a rapport with other Generals such  as Lemay or Lenmitzer.

On a personal note, I was diagnosed with Stage 4 Bladder Cancer in the Fall of 2017 and had 6 cycles of chemo ( which killed the cancer) and then had major surgery. So far, my cancer has not returned. I echo Jim's point on health insurance. If I had to pay for my chemo and/or surgery out of my own pocket, I would be broke.  For instance, I know (through my health insurance "Explanation of Benefits" ) my chemo cost $20,000 per cycle and my surgery cost $44,000. And, there were/are much more costs that my insurance also covers.